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1799 Bust Dollar ICG-40 CERTIFIED UNCERTIFIED COUNTERFEIT
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First, try not to throw-up after looking at this guys filthy dirty hands. Second, try not to throw-up after looking at this guys filthy disgusting counterfeit coin. Now that you have your barf bags ready, click on the listing:
I'm curious as to why this guy is claiming his worthless counterfeit is certified and graded by ICG?????
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Sorry, I threw up.
It does look like a fresh discovery dig though
Hey now, he's just a working man trying to make a buck. He just needs to get a bit better with the next buck he makes...
No idea where ICG comes into this...
It **is **in ICG plastic and they are usually pretty good at detecting counterfeits (they are the only TPG that slabs - in their bright yellow educational slab - contemporary counterfeits). So I'd assume it was dug up with a backhoe and then the finder carved his initial in the coin. Other than all that...
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Listing is gone now... did anyone get a screenshot?? My stomach is stable and I have not had breakfast yet......
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Is the coin in an ICG slab?
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I believe the coin was holed through the date and the S from states on the reverse.
Subsequently a plug was placed and the date and letters were retooled.
Not a counterfeit
That might be, but I would have to see this one in person before I could say that it is genuine. It's got some bulges and lumps in the surfaces that you usually don't see on these coins. At any rate, if this thing is really plugged, given the fact that it's in the date area would make it hard to get a legitimate coin repair guy to work on it. It is my understanding that they don't like to restore digits in the date.
On an expanded note, the strategy of damaging counterfeits and then submitting them to the authentication and grading services seems to be spreading. There was an exhibit at the recent Early American Coppers convention of counterfeits that were in slabs. The "damage" allows the counterfeiter to scrap off some of the telltale problems with their products in order to have them declared "genuine."
That is scary
@BillJones
Thanks for the information; I did not know that. I think I recall a Gallery Mint coin where the word "copy" had be scrapped off being submitted somewhere for certification but I simply do not recall if it was encapsulated.
Bill, I'd love to be able click something below your post to show my appreciation. But "LOL" is not appropriate, I can't "Agree" because I did not know about this beforehand, and I definitely cannot "Like" what you describe being done. So consider my post a click of the "Appreciate Greatly" button.
You could contact Skip Fazzari at ICG who would tell you how he and Randy saw the coin in terms of the problems, usually they are willing with the cert. # to provide their analysis, unlike the others.
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coin is here ebay.com/itm/1799-Draped-Bust-Silver-Dollar-1-Certified-ICG-XF40-Details-EF40-Rare-Coin-/142368086254?hash=item2125cc98ee
Holed at the 2nd 9 and plugged. Looks like the real thing to my eyes.
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The title of this posting is misleading and confusing - The counterfeit coin was not certified by ICG. It was a raw fake that has been removed.
Looks to be real. The seller isn't hiding anything as far as damage.
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This was not the coin or listing that was in the original post, which has now apparently been removed by Ebay or the seller. That makes it a bit confusing for people looking now as the link now defaults to similar titles.
The original listing was an obvious fake not in an ICG holder nor any holder. The original lister may have copied the title from another listing that did mention ICG. If I remember correctly, they did not have any other coins for sale.
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Here is what the COUNTERFEIT 1799 looks like:
The hands are crustier than the coin. Geez...
That one does make me a bit nauseous. Love those 9's. You'd expect better quality out of box of Cracker Jacks.
Had me going for awhile..........had me looking for dirty hands and stuff.........glad the original pic was posted.
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@BillJones said: "@joebb21 said: "I believe the coin was holed through the date and the S from states on the reverse.
Subsequently a plug was placed and the date and letters were retooled. Not a counterfeit
That might be, but I would have to see this one in person before I could say that it is genuine. It's got some bulges and lumps in the surfaces that you usually don't see on these coins. At any rate, if this thing is really plugged, given the fact that it's in the date area would make it hard to get a legitimate coin repair guy to work on it. It is my understanding that they don't like to restore digits in the date.
On an expanded note, the strategy of damaging counterfeits and then submitting them to the authentication and grading services seems to be spreading. There was an exhibit at the recent Early American Coppers convention of counterfeits that were in slabs. The "damage" allows the counterfeiter to scrap off some of the telltale problems with their products in order to have them declared "genuine."
The ICG coin is a 100% GENUINE 1799 dollar BB-166, B-9. The naked-eye diagnostic break under the "1" is as obvious as the naked-eye large plug that has destroyed the reverse next to the "S." Some of the "lumps" resulted from damage (chest) and others are from heat (rev. under "R" of "America").
IMO, it is very unfortunate that a "Header" claiming one of the TPGS's authenticated a fake as genuine was posted. Fortunately, many members with more skills than the OP corrected his error. Nevertheless, the damage was done and I believe this entire thread should be deleted.
I don't think any of us in this thread needed to see the type of junk that was originally posted by the coin dealer.
WOW.......that is the most un-informed pathetic response I've ever read. The ebay member that listed his counterfeit 1799, jaimechavez (121), claimed his coin was certified by ICG in his listing. A shame that you are unable to comprehend simple English.
Did you even read the entire thread? The coin Joe posted IS NOT the same coin in the original post. I don't know why that coin was posted as all it has done is confuse people.
Can someone call a favor from an FBI fingerprint tech? You might have enough for a match in that photo....?
Your RECKLESS post linked directly to a perfectly genuine TPGS slabbed dollar. I reported it and hope this entire thread is deleted. That's all I will say so I don't break any rules by writing what I really think...LOL.
WRONG AGAIN....My "reckless" link did NOT link directly to a perfectly genuine TPGS slabbed dollar. Of course you want this entire thread deleted as it exposes your inabilities. Try again.
@MorganMan94 said: "Did you even read the entire thread? The coin Joe posted IS NOT the same coin in the original post. I don't know why that coin was posted as all it has done is confuse people."
I don't suffer errors very well. Of course I OPENED and READ the entire thread as soon as I saw in the header that a TPGS (ICG in this case) slabbed a counterfeit. When I opened the link that the dealer posted I saw a perfectly genuine 1799 dollar in an ICG slab!
That does not change the original ERROR. The OP's link did not go to a crude fake! It went to a genuine coin. That's why I posted here and reported the thread. Thankfully, other members corrected the confusion; nevertheless, there is a thread on the PCGS forum leading the uninformed to believe ICG slabbed a counterfeit. All the TPGS have but not this time.
@ArizonaRareCoins Try out my inabilities. LOL. I was able to read and comprehend this:
Your Link: ebay.com/itm/1799-Draped-Bust-Silver-Dollar-1-Certified-ICG-XF40-Details-EF40-Rare-Coin-/272655352670?hash=item3f7b86835e:g:LC0AAOSwcgNZCSvg
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WRONG, YET AGAIN....When you click on the link, it returns the message:
"1799 Draped Bust Silver Dollar 1 Certified ICG XF40 Details EF40 Rare Coin
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This is the message you receive when eBay has removed a listing. Not sure why you don't just admit you were wrong.
Still there on the LINK in your OP. LOL.
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STILL WRONG........When you click on the link, it returns the message:
"1799 Draped Bust Silver Dollar 1 Certified ICG XF40 Details EF40 Rare Coin
0 results. You may also like"
I originally started this thread to be amusing and also a learning experience. It was amusing to see an eBay member list a coin that he held in his very dirty grimy hands and claimed it to be certified by ICG as Xf40. It was a learning experience to see a counterfeit 1799 dollar........instead, this thread has morphed into something else. But, it is still amusing and a learning experience to read that members posts.
I don't find anything funny about counterfeits - even the junk coin that you wished to post in your OP.
Anyway, it is too bad that an attempt at humor turned into what can appear to be a libelous attack on a TPGS. Regards.
WOW, you just keep digging yourself in deeper. Why would you want people to see what you're posting? There is NOT a single person that can understand why you are doing this to yourself. EVERYTHING you are posting is demonstrably WRONG:
0 results. You may also like". This is the standard message you receive from eBay when a listing has been removed.
Did you go to the top of your thread and click on the link in YOUR OP yet?
I'll bet you did not and that's why my posts might seem crazy to you.
Give it a try, click on the link. No need to tell me what comes up as I've done it four times to make sure I was not an idiot. You almost had me convinced that I was insane for trying the same thing FOUR TIMES with the same results. LOL I even tried to paste/copy it here for you to see as the coin (NOT the crude fake - the genuine ICG dollar linked in your OP) is still listed.
This thread is done. I'm not posting anymore as each time I do ICG SLABS FAKES goes to the top of the threads.
YES, I have. I and EVERYBODY else get the following message, "1799 Draped Bust Silver Dollar 1 Certified ICG XF40 Details EF40 Rare Coin 0 results. You may also like".
There is NOTHING ambiguous about this result. It is not hard to comprehend. This is the STANDARD eBay message you get when there are NO RESULTS for your search because the listing has been removed. I feel sorry for you if you've clicked on that link 4 times and are still unable to comprehend what you're seeing. It isn't hard. I really don't understand why you can't admit you're WRONG and stop making a complete fool of yourself. You're doing it to yourself, I'm not the one doing it to you.
I have no dog in this fight, but the OP is correct, if you click the link and read the small print Above the coin in question, it references a removed item, which was the original counterfeit coin. The rest is just the standard eBay search results. Just saying.
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Have any fake Icg slabs showed up on ebay? Authentication is job #1 of the grading services.
Is this the piece that has everyone's attention? If so I believe that it is genuine.
The odd "9" is due to the fact that the coin has been holed and plugged in the date area. Forty years ago the coin repair guys refused to work on coins like this that had date area problems. It was too easy to change the date. This is an exception. The coin was holed over the "9" and the repair guy restored the date. He made it look odd on purpose, as he should do, to bring attention to the problem. Check out the "S" in "STATES" and you will see the rest of the repair.
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No. The original one linked is no longer there/has been removed. In small print above the auctions that do show is the phrase:
" 1799 Draped Bust Silver Dollar 1 Certified ICG XF40 Details EF40 Rare Coin
0 results. You may also like"
Somewhere along the line eBay started listing other 'options' when a specific linked coin has been removed. The coin you are showing is not the one the OP linked initially. I do believe his is the one with the grubby paws that someone else had a screenshot of.
The one you have is the top of the 'alternative' list generated by eBay and someone else inadvertently posted it.
maybe the seller should have cleaned their hands like the coins are. fwiw
I think he was trying to make people believe that he just dug the coin from the ground...........But, no matter how filthy his hands are, the coin will always be a crappy counterfeit.
yes, agreed .
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I just consulted my references and think it could be a Bartender BB-37865