"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
If you mean Skyman's coin, it is far above average for detail; note the roundness of most parts of the rays, lettering, etc. Certainly a premium quality piece for detail. As for some sort of numeric grade - that is dependent on preservation of surfaces. I see a lot of distracting marks on both sides. The "grade" would depend on whether there is visible abrasion on the highest points and that cannot be determined from the photos.
There is no visible abrasion on the highest points. IMO it is a true MS, with obvious nicks and dings. I would be happy to tell you what grade I bought it as (and am comfortable with), but I'll leave it as a GTG first, in case anyone wants to take a shot at it.
If there's no wear, it would be reasonable at MS62 or 63. The cuts on obv and rev absolutely prevent anything higher than 64, and the obverse nicks and chatter at the neck above the date and cheek rule out 64. But - from an overall quality perspective, the coin should be valued at the same level as an ordinary MS65 or possibly more. Just a thought.
@RogerB said:
If there's no wear, it would be reasonable at MS62 or 63. The cuts on obv and rev absolutely prevent anything higher than 64, and the obverse nicks and chatter at the neck above the date and cheek rule out 64. But - from an overall quality perspective, the coin should be valued at the same level as an ordinary MS65 or possibly more. Just a thought.
@TonerGuy said:
Can anyone explain the grading of 1921 Peace $....
Almost 20 yrs of collecting and looking at Peace $ and I still dont get how graders get to the grade on most of the coins Ive seen... its as though strike is not even a factor...
One of the most, by monetary measure you could say THE most, prominent collectors is on record saying "the strike of a coin doesn't matter whatsoever". I don't personally collect that way or agree, but something to think about. Must be something in the circles of the more businessman - less collector/numismatist side of the hobby.
In my experience the peace dollar strikes are an enigma. I propose that the dies of the 21 vary so much from each other that they cannot even be analyzed at the strike level. This may explain the TPGs angle on it. Even on Roger's 2nd peace dollar with that hamster cheek, the 2 highest locks of hair are very flat wihtout any detail in the strands of hair. There are many other coins with more detail on those 2 locks, but end up flat somewhere else. Clearly that is a special strike/die but as most other P$ with great strikes, something always ends up flat somewhere.
@TonerGuy said:
Can anyone explain the grading of 1921 Peace $....
Almost 20 yrs of collecting and looking at Peace $ and I still dont get how graders get to the grade on most of the coins Ive seen... its as though strike is not even a factor...
One of the most, by monetary measure you could say THE most, prominent collectors is on record saying "the strike of a coin doesn't matter whatsoever". I don't personally collect that way or agree, but something to think about. Must be something in the circles of the more businessman - less collector/numismatist side of the hobby.
Its not even the strike thats weak for a 65, there's a plethora of hits as well.
"Quality" is often a matter of perception. Personally, I value full detail far above any little bits of wear/rub. To me, those who turn up their nose at a true AU coin that is nicely detailed are missing the most basic pleasures of the hobby.
RE: "Besides the occurrence of the split ray on the B, what is the significance? I don't get it. What's it graded? What is it worth?"
A. Detail is close to that of the original cast for 1921. (Look in the book Guide Book of Peace Dollars for illustrations of the original.) B. Grade hardly matters. The detail places this coin and some others, in a very small, very select group of pieces that almost look like what the artist intended. C. "Worth" and "value" are not the same. If you mean dollars, then five-figure offers have been declined; if you mean value, then it is possible 1 in 100,000 made and maybe 1 in 200,000 that survive. Of course, all this is speculation and maybe "wishful thinking." But, it a hobby! Enjoy it while you can!
@RogerB said:
"Quality" is often a matter of perception. Personally, I value full detail far above any little bits of wear/rub. To me, those who turn up their nose at a true AU coin that is nicely detailed are missing the most basic pleasures of the hobby.
RE: "Besides the occurrence of the split ray on the B, what is the significance? I don't get it. What's it graded? What is it worth?"
A. Detail is close to that of the original cast for 1921. (Look in the book Guide Book of Peace Dollars for illustrations of the original.) B. Grade hardly matters. The detail places this coin and some others, in a very small, very select group of pieces that almost look like what the artist intended. C. "Worth" and "value" are not the same. If you mean dollars, then five-figure offers have been declined; if you mean value, then it is possible 1 in 100,000 made and maybe 1 in 200,000 that survive. Of course, all this is speculation and maybe "wishful thinking." But, it a hobby! Enjoy it while you can!
I would imagine this coin would bring big money!!! I have never seen anything like it outside of the picture reference in "Guide Book of Peace Dollars". Its literally one of a kind!
@RogerB said:
A fully detailed 1921 will have rounded numerals and letters, complete, not flattened rays and central hair detail that is extremely close to the original bronze casts. (Pictured in the book as part of the table.)
Here is my 1921 Peace Dollar. It has been in the family for over 30 years now. It has not appreciated a lot over that time, but it is still a very nice coin for the $80 that was paid for it. There probably is not very many 1921 Peace Dollars still around with an original ANACS photo certificate. Note how the ANACS photo gives more of an "apple cheek" appearance than the other photo, which is a better representation of what the coin looks like in hand.
@dcarr said:
Here is my 1921 Peace Dollar. It has been in the family for over 30 years now. It has not appreciated a lot over that time, but it is still a very nice coin for the $80 that was paid for it. There probably is not very many 1921 Peace Dollars still around with an original ANACS photo certificate. Note how the ANACS photo gives more of an "apple cheek" appearance than the other photo, which is a better representation of what the coin looks like in hand.
guess you know there is a problem with pictures maybe my computer ?
@GRANDAM said:
MY pictures were loaded,,,,,,, when I came back they were gone,,,,, reloaded 3 times,,,,, leave page and come back and gone again?
Same here.
Forum software bug, I think.
I tried linking to pictures hosted on my site, and I tried uploading pictures to this site. Same result either way.
When I edit the message, the images appear normally at first. But when I refresh the page, only the black X appears.
I tried 3 times to post images of one of the better struck and more attractive examples from my 1921 Peace Dollar "Hoard" with no success. -- Very frustrating!
I'm an Old School Forumite who preferred the previous Forum software interface.
Please refer to my numerous searchable previously posted Well-Struck 1921 Peace Dollar threads on this forum, which include several VAM-1H's as well as other interesting VAM varieties. Even some with "Glossy" Luster...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Your 1921 (second coin) is the most rmarkable P$ that I have ever seen. Better IMHO than the PR 1921/1922 SP's. But I could not find it in your book. P$ are one of my original collections dating back over fifty years. FWIW.
Maria Theresa Cafarelli (or sometimes Maria T Cafarelli) was born in 1898 and immigrated to the USA in 1905. Her family, including a brother named Rocco, arrived at Ellis Island, New York City.
The Cafarellis sailed from the Port of Naples, as most Italians did to reach America. Maria married Anthony De Francisci on April 19, 1920 in Manhatten, New York. They lived in New York City.
I have been unable to locate the town name where she is from, but this info may give a better idea of her background.
In the article (from Wikipedia) it states she was born in Naples, but it could have been a small town very near to there. Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
Peace dollars are one of my favorite US designs, and of course the 1921 peace is at the top of the list.
Put me in the minority (apparently a very small minority), but I don't like the look of the "apple cheek" piece/peace above.
I understand Roger B / CW called that particular coin a proof (04-01-10). I'm willing to accept that it is one, or else is from experimental and/or proof dies, first strike, unusual pressure, or some other unique and highly desirable peculiarity.
But to me, it looks wrong. The beauty of the Peace design is its soft, ethereal impressionism. That doesn't mean poorly struck by any means. Rather intentionally deep and shallow, soft and hard, smooth and rough. It's a radical departure from the mathematics and sterility of the Morgan design. The matte proof peace dollars of 1921 and 1922 are the ideal Peace design to me. The apple cheek one looks almost cartoonish by comparison.
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
Maria Theresa Cafarelli (or sometimes Maria T Cafarelli) was born in 1898 and immigrated to the USA in 1905. Her family, including a brother named Rocco, arrived at Ellis Island, New York City.
The Cafarellis sailed from the Port of Naples, as most Italians did to reach America. Maria married Anthony De Francisci on April 19, 1920 in Manhatten, New York. They lived in New York City.
I have been unable to locate the town name where she is from, but this info may give a better idea of her background.
In the article (from Wikipedia) it states she was born in Naples, but it could have been a small town very near to there. Pete
I found a notation in an article that says she was born in a small town south of Naples but I cant find which town it is. My family is from that area so I am naturally curious.
Teresa Cafarelli
mentioned in the record of Anthony Defrancisci and Teresa Cafarelli
Name Anthony Defrancisci
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 19 Apr 1920
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) Manhattan, New York
Gender Male
Age 32
Marital Status Single
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1888
Birthplace Palermo/Italy
Father's Name Benedict Defrancisci
Mother's Name Maria Liberanti
Spouse's Name Teresa Cafarelli
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 21
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1899
Spouse's Birthplace Italy
Spouse's Father's Name Donato A. Cafarelli
Spouse's Mother's Name Rosa Ermma
1920 Census record, found in 2 pieces
United States Census, 1920
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Donat Caffarelli
United States Census, 1920
Name Donat Caffarelli
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Gender Male
Age 67
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Can Read Yes
Can Write Yes
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Own or Rent Own
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1905
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 16
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Donat Caffarelli Head M 67 Italy
Rosa Caffarelli Wife F 65 Italy
Drochi Caffarelli Son M 34 Italy
Mary Caffarelli Wife of other household member F 32 Italy
Daniel Caffarelli Son of other household member M 4 Massachusetts
Rosa Caffarelli Daughter of other household member F 3 Massachusetts
Tessie Caffarelli Daughter of other household member F 22 Italy
Domenic Caffarelli Son of other household member M 25 Italy
1910 Census record, incorrectly lists her birthplace as US:
Name Denauto Caffarelli
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Gender Male
Age 56
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1870
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 4
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Denauto Caffarelli Head M 56 Italy
Elsie Caffarelli Wife F 53 Italy
Rockino Caffarelli Son M 23 Massachusetts
Dominick Caffarelli Son M 16 Massachusetts
Tersa Caffarelli Daughter F 12 Massachusetts
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M22F-QXG : accessed 2 May 2017), Denauto Caffarelli, Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 1716, sheet 4A, family 10, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 627; FHL microfilm 1,374,640.
Possible birth record (year and father match, mother does not match to 1910 or 1920 household, and more east than south of Naples):
Maria Cifarelli
Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato)
Name Maria Cifarelli
Event Type Birth
Event Date 02 Jun 1898
Event Place Altamura, Bari, Italy
Gender Female
Father's Name Donato Cifarelli
Mother's Name Giuseppa Di Santo
Certificate Number 428
Citing this Record
"Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato), 1809-1908", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV92-5S66 : 28 July 2015), Maria Cifarelli, 1898.
Maria Cifarelli
Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato)
Name Maria Cifarelli
Event Type Birth
Event Date 02 Jun 1898
Event Place Altamura, Bari, Italy
Gender Female
Father's Name Donato Cifarelli
Mother's Name Giuseppa Di Santo
Certificate Number 428
Citing this Record
"Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato), 1809-1908", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV92-5S66 : 28 July 2015), Maria Cifarelli, 1898.
Thank you for the research. I dont think thats her though. Her mother was definitely Rosa.
And Altamura is only 20 miles from Bari. It wouldnt make sense for the family to travel all the way to Naples to get a boat to Ellis Island.
@GRANDAM started a new thread for the pic posting issue.
Tried posting photos in the 1921 Peace Dollar thread but they don't show up.
Thought I would try in a new thread to see if it works here or if the 1921 thread is corrupted some how.
I have posted photos before so I know how,,,,, others have photos in that thread that are not showing up.
I was able to successfully post images of one of the better struck and more attractive examples from my 1921 Peace Dollar "Hoard" in Grand Am's other "Can You See Me Now" thread.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@nk1nk said:
Is the picture issue just this thread? All the other threads seem to be posting pictures just fine.
No, it has happened on other threads.
Once the thread is "broken", no further images will show up.
This feature started around the time of the larger emoji's.
They must have done some kind of software update, that has a glitch in it.
Hopefully they will figure out a fix....
Comments
Here's mine.
It's got the same sort of clash as MDG's. I got it raw, and have kept it in it's natural state.
U.S. Type Set
Great thread!
RE: "How many have you seen with the split ray right of B?
(Clearly your second specimen is the only one in this thread so far)."
Only 2. The other is a beautiful satin proof. I have not, however, done a comprehensive search.
@RogerB What do you think that bottom coin would grade?
If you mean Skyman's coin, it is far above average for detail; note the roundness of most parts of the rays, lettering, etc. Certainly a premium quality piece for detail. As for some sort of numeric grade - that is dependent on preservation of surfaces. I see a lot of distracting marks on both sides. The "grade" would depend on whether there is visible abrasion on the highest points and that cannot be determined from the photos.
There is no visible abrasion on the highest points. IMO it is a true MS, with obvious nicks and dings. I would be happy to tell you what grade I bought it as (and am comfortable with), but I'll leave it as a GTG first, in case anyone wants to take a shot at it.
U.S. Type Set
Keep the 1921's coming!
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Since no one is guessing -- no its not a 62 but I agree with you on the grade... its actually a MS65 that was CAC'd.
I dont understand how this coin is a MS65... but 3 graders at NGC and the good people at CAC all seem to agree.
If there's no wear, it would be reasonable at MS62 or 63. The cuts on obv and rev absolutely prevent anything higher than 64, and the obverse nicks and chatter at the neck above the date and cheek rule out 64. But - from an overall quality perspective, the coin should be valued at the same level as an ordinary MS65 or possibly more. Just a thought.
Agree.63 at best.
@RogerB and @grip -- yep... Im amazed this coin got a 65 and then was CAC'd.
One of the most, by monetary measure you could say THE most, prominent collectors is on record saying "the strike of a coin doesn't matter whatsoever". I don't personally collect that way or agree, but something to think about. Must be something in the circles of the more businessman - less collector/numismatist side of the hobby.
In my experience the peace dollar strikes are an enigma. I propose that the dies of the 21 vary so much from each other that they cannot even be analyzed at the strike level. This may explain the TPGs angle on it. Even on Roger's 2nd peace dollar with that hamster cheek, the 2 highest locks of hair are very flat wihtout any detail in the strands of hair. There are many other coins with more detail on those 2 locks, but end up flat somewhere else. Clearly that is a special strike/die but as most other P$ with great strikes, something always ends up flat somewhere.
Nice. Besides the occurrence of the split ray on the B, what is the significance? I don't get it. What's it graded? What is it worth?
Its not even the strike thats weak for a 65, there's a plethora of hits as well.
"Quality" is often a matter of perception. Personally, I value full detail far above any little bits of wear/rub. To me, those who turn up their nose at a true AU coin that is nicely detailed are missing the most basic pleasures of the hobby.
RE: "Besides the occurrence of the split ray on the B, what is the significance? I don't get it. What's it graded? What is it worth?"
A. Detail is close to that of the original cast for 1921. (Look in the book Guide Book of Peace Dollars for illustrations of the original.) B. Grade hardly matters. The detail places this coin and some others, in a very small, very select group of pieces that almost look like what the artist intended. C. "Worth" and "value" are not the same. If you mean dollars, then five-figure offers have been declined; if you mean value, then it is possible 1 in 100,000 made and maybe 1 in 200,000 that survive. Of course, all this is speculation and maybe "wishful thinking." But, it a hobby! Enjoy it while you can!
I would imagine this coin would bring big money!!! I have never seen anything like it outside of the picture reference in "Guide Book of Peace Dollars". Its literally one of a kind!
>
"original bronze casts"
Finally !
Here is my 1921 Peace Dollar. It has been in the family for over 30 years now. It has not appreciated a lot over that time, but it is still a very nice coin for the $80 that was paid for it. There probably is not very many 1921 Peace Dollars still around with an original ANACS photo certificate. Note how the ANACS photo gives more of an "apple cheek" appearance than the other photo, which is a better representation of what the coin looks like in hand.
guess you know there is a problem with pictures maybe my computer ?
Here is one of mine,,,, MS64+
And here is a whiter one,,,,, MS64
MY pictures were loaded,,,,,,, when I came back they were gone,,,,, reloaded 3 times,,,,, leave page and come back and gone again?
thanks thought something was wrong with my computer
Same here.
Forum software bug, I think.
I tried linking to pictures hosted on my site, and I tried uploading pictures to this site. Same result either way.
When I edit the message, the images appear normally at first. But when I refresh the page, only the black X appears.
Lets's try this again,
Here is one of mine,,,, MS64+
And here is a whiter one,,,,, MS64
Well they were there,,,,, when I refreshed they are gone again
@dcarr I would love to see your 1921 in the original anacs!
What a great educational thread this is. Thank you so much, Jim.
I tried 3 times to post images of one of the better struck and more attractive examples from my 1921 Peace Dollar "Hoard" with no success. -- Very frustrating!
I'm an Old School Forumite who preferred the previous Forum software interface.
Please refer to my numerous searchable previously posted Well-Struck 1921 Peace Dollar threads on this forum, which include several VAM-1H's as well as other interesting VAM varieties. Even some with "Glossy" Luster...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Roger,
Your 1921 (second coin) is the most rmarkable P$ that I have ever seen. Better IMHO than the PR 1921/1922 SP's. But I could not find it in your book. P$ are one of my original collections dating back over fifty years. FWIW.
OINK
An image of the coin is part of the variety illustration diagram, and also in the table showing relative detail (or 'strike')
This is a great thread.... and I have learned a lot I did not know about Peace Dollars... Thanks to all... Cheers, RickO
After reviewing this thread, it would be wise when examining generic grades to focus on strike, not all ms 62-64 peace dollars are equal.
Maria Theresa Cafarelli (or sometimes Maria T Cafarelli) was born in 1898 and immigrated to the USA in 1905. Her family, including a brother named Rocco, arrived at Ellis Island, New York City.
The Cafarellis sailed from the Port of Naples, as most Italians did to reach America. Maria married Anthony De Francisci on April 19, 1920 in Manhatten, New York. They lived in New York City.
I have been unable to locate the town name where she is from, but this info may give a better idea of her background.
In the article (from Wikipedia) it states she was born in Naples, but it could have been a small town very near to there. Pete
Peace dollars are one of my favorite US designs, and of course the 1921 peace is at the top of the list.
Put me in the minority (apparently a very small minority), but I don't like the look of the "apple cheek" piece/peace above.
I understand Roger B / CW called that particular coin a proof (04-01-10). I'm willing to accept that it is one, or else is from experimental and/or proof dies, first strike, unusual pressure, or some other unique and highly desirable peculiarity.
But to me, it looks wrong. The beauty of the Peace design is its soft, ethereal impressionism. That doesn't mean poorly struck by any means. Rather intentionally deep and shallow, soft and hard, smooth and rough. It's a radical departure from the mathematics and sterility of the Morgan design. The matte proof peace dollars of 1921 and 1922 are the ideal Peace design to me. The apple cheek one looks almost cartoonish by comparison.
--Severian the Lame
I found a notation in an article that says she was born in a small town south of Naples but I cant find which town it is. My family is from that area so I am naturally curious.
Teresa Cafarelli
mentioned in the record of Anthony Defrancisci and Teresa Cafarelli
Name Anthony Defrancisci
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 19 Apr 1920
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) Manhattan, New York
Gender Male
Age 32
Marital Status Single
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1888
Birthplace Palermo/Italy
Father's Name Benedict Defrancisci
Mother's Name Maria Liberanti
Spouse's Name Teresa Cafarelli
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 21
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1899
Spouse's Birthplace Italy
Spouse's Father's Name Donato A. Cafarelli
Spouse's Mother's Name Rosa Ermma
1920 Census record, found in 2 pieces
United States Census, 1920
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Donat Caffarelli
United States Census, 1920
Name Donat Caffarelli
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Gender Male
Age 67
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Can Read Yes
Can Write Yes
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Own or Rent Own
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1905
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 16
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Donat Caffarelli Head M 67 Italy
Rosa Caffarelli Wife F 65 Italy
Drochi Caffarelli Son M 34 Italy
Mary Caffarelli Wife of other household member F 32 Italy
Daniel Caffarelli Son of other household member M 4 Massachusetts
Rosa Caffarelli Daughter of other household member F 3 Massachusetts
Tessie Caffarelli Daughter of other household member F 22 Italy
Domenic Caffarelli Son of other household member M 25 Italy
1910 Census record, incorrectly lists her birthplace as US:
Name Denauto Caffarelli
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Gender Male
Age 56
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1870
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 4
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Denauto Caffarelli Head M 56 Italy
Elsie Caffarelli Wife F 53 Italy
Rockino Caffarelli Son M 23 Massachusetts
Dominick Caffarelli Son M 16 Massachusetts
Tersa Caffarelli Daughter F 12 Massachusetts
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M22F-QXG : accessed 2 May 2017), Denauto Caffarelli, Clinton, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 1716, sheet 4A, family 10, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 627; FHL microfilm 1,374,640.
Possible birth record (year and father match, mother does not match to 1910 or 1920 household, and more east than south of Naples):
Maria Cifarelli
Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato)
Name Maria Cifarelli
Event Type Birth
Event Date 02 Jun 1898
Event Place Altamura, Bari, Italy
Gender Female
Father's Name Donato Cifarelli
Mother's Name Giuseppa Di Santo
Certificate Number 428
Citing this Record
"Italia, Bari, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato), 1809-1908", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV92-5S66 : 28 July 2015), Maria Cifarelli, 1898.
I tried but failed to post Stuart's images from his July 2015 thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/947562/1921-peace-dollar-mint-state-vs-satin-proof-strike-detail-photo-comparison
Thank you for the research. I dont think thats her though. Her mother was definitely Rosa.
And Altamura is only 20 miles from Bari. It wouldnt make sense for the family to travel all the way to Naples to get a boat to Ellis Island.
Test, to see if quoted pictures appear??
And...they do. Must be something to do with the upload function....
Added: Nope....they disappear too. Never mind....
I can't see them or pull them up
There seems to be a problem uploading pictures. Oh Well.....will try later
@GRANDAM started a new thread for the pic posting issue.
Tried posting photos in the 1921 Peace Dollar thread but they don't show up.
Thought I would try in a new thread to see if it works here or if the 1921 thread is corrupted some how.
I have posted photos before so I know how,,,,, others have photos in that thread that are not showing up.
So,,,,,, can you see me now?????
GrandAm
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb, Ricko
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
Is the picture issue just this thread? All the other threads seem to be posting pictures just fine.
I was able to successfully post images of one of the better struck and more attractive examples from my 1921 Peace Dollar "Hoard" in Grand Am's other "Can You See Me Now" thread.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
No, it has happened on other threads.
Once the thread is "broken", no further images will show up.
This feature started around the time of the larger emoji's.
They must have done some kind of software update, that has a glitch in it.
Hopefully they will figure out a fix....
I'm sure they will figure it out [the glitch], once they learn of it, you are correct
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb, Ricko
Bad transactions with : nobody to date