CAC (green) or Photoseal - Which would you prefer on your Flying Eagle / Indian Head Cent?
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I am certain that this has been brought up before, if so, my apologies in advance. It is widely accepted that Rick Snow is a top Flying Eagle and Indian Cent subject matter expert and he has the PhotoSeal service which identifies quality coins that he has personally viewed "...have examined the coin and agree with the grading services opinion. It's a second opinion that carries extra benefit, because they can then be bought and sold at our market price." Whereas CAC throws a wider lasso with the range of coins they inspect with similar standards upon approval "Your coin has been verified as meeting the standard for strict quality within its grade".
My question is; which would you prefer on your Flying Eagle and Indian Cents TPG Holders?
Thank you for your interest and comments. 
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CAC green.
Now a days, I think CAC is the path a lot of people are following JMO
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I would be indifferent, but I feel the market leans toward CAC approval.
Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage
I am not an indian cent collector, but it's my understanding Rick is tougher on them with his sticker than CAC. Given that, I would want his sticker and I think most avid IC collectors would agree. What's wrong with getting both
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
There is stronger chance the Photoseal will be a better coin than the CAC approved piece. I have never seen a Photoseal that I didn't like.
CAC for me. That was easy:)
Photoseal.
Photoseal. I really trust Ricks opinion! If it is photosealed it is likely it will also get the bean.
...If I collected FE or IH cents then I would buy the coins already PCGS-slabbed & Photoseal'ed...then send them myself to CAC...I know pretty much nothing about those series but the above seems like a recipe for success if I had to give it a go
Selling to a specialist? EagleEye
Selling in general to a collector who may just want the coin (type set, just the coin, etc)? CAC
More collectors know and (seemingly, except for some posters on these boards) understand CAC.
A lot less, unless they know Rick/IHCs/FEs, would know and understand the photoseal.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I had a photosealed one that didn't CAC. Likely an anomaly but fact.
I have also had one photosealed indian cent that did not CAC. Have not tried to send it again. All others came back with the bean.
I will consider Photoseal first
After that thread about acetone or MS-70 releasing the copper coins "hidden" color, the jury is no longer out, they went home.
Any IHC on Rick's site without his seal should be sold at a large discount.
My choice would be cac
CAC but I had to think hard about it
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If I were a seller, I would probably say CAC. For my personal collection it is definitely Photoseal.
EAC 6024
There is a slight difference.
Let me say upfront that I trust Rick's judgment after having done over 1 mil in business with him over the years. I trust his honesty and integrity.
CAC stickers other peoples coins.
Rick stickers his inventory and other peoples coins.
If it was someone other than Rick that I didn't know and trust sticking their own inventory, I would favor CAC.
For FE/IHC cents, I prefer PS.
@Lakesammman
I think you have a very valid point...................among knowing serious collectors of certain coins.
But, for the general masses..................the advertising/hype may be more important.
JMO Nothing against any of these 'services', just thinking out loud
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But, for the general masses..................the advertising/hype may be more important.
Perhaps, but that would be a different thread than what was asked here.
I stand corrected @Lakesammman
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PS although I have both stickers on my 56 flyer and 77 Indian. I also cracked a pcgs 64 77 for the dansco album I got and I believe it was cac'd. but not PS. (didn't matter as holder is gone now anyhow)
I would choose the Photoseal.
For FE/IHC I would definitely want Photoseal.... Rick is the recognized authority in this arena..... Cheers, RickO
It seems that from the responses so far, that PhotoSeal edges out CAC with those who gave a straight answer, selecting one over the other.
I am kinda surprised that no one mentioned fees...CAC ($13.50) only charges collectors (not dealers) if it does not meet their standard...PhotoSeal ($15) charges regardless of outcome. PhotoSeal coins do have a laminated color card, with Rick Snow's signature, and are imaged which can be retrieved from the PhotoSeal Lookup.
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CAC does not charge collectors if they're coin does not bean. Rick also does not charge you unless he photo seals the coin.
You have it backwards.....CAC only charges DEALERS, not collectors, if the coin doesn't sticker. Collectors only pay for coins that meet the standards.
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How about both?
Here is the pretty much identical thread from 2014 (mentioned by the OP), which includes Rick's comments:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/916987/if-you-had-indican-cent-would-you-rather-have-a-photo-seal-or-cac
Yes, what about the** PCGS/CAC/Photo Seal**Combination, let's talk about that.
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Only copper collectors opinions should have weight here. Have you sent copper to cac? Have you purchased photoseal coins?
@SoCalBigMark
I'm not sure that I agree with you,** but rest assured** I will not click the "disagree button"
I think sometimes in life, people outside of an issue can gather and submit valid info.
JMO
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I have had IC's with both, but PS for me any day of the week. Rick is the specialist and he backs the coins he puts his sticker on.
Myself, like some others believe it is what type of collector you are. If you are a serious FE/IH cent collector, you would want the Photoseal. If you are a general collector, you would want CAC. I personally want a Photoseal on my FE/IH cent.
Photoseal, and it isn't even close for me. Specialists in the field will definitely recognize the premium quality associated with photosealed coins.
CAC for me. In any case, I can decide if I like the coin regardless of who's sticker is on it.
I reread my comment and corrected it...thanks Bochiman.
Thanks ironmanl63, I did not know this.
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Now, if you're really into collecting historical plastic, you'll need to collect the PS cards with the signatures of both Rick Snow and Brian Wagner.
Photoseal. When it comes to IHC's I trust Rick's opinion over JA's.
Lance.
I recall reading that JA himself accepts the Photoseal as if the coin was already CAC green stickered.
Rick has considerably more experience with copper coins than JA, as he recognizes the nuances created by different die varieties. The Lord St. Oswald-Naftzger-Husak-Cardinal 1794 S-67 Large Cent, graded by PCGS as MS67RB and uniformly considered the single finest Liberty Cap cent, was rejected by JA because he didn't like the defects on Liberty's cheek. Sadly, those defects were in the die itself, and ALL examples of that die variety feature those mint-produced raised artifacts on the cheek. Having never reviewed any of the reference books on early copper, JA mistook them for nicks on the surface of the coin.
I can certainly agree that being specialized in a particular field of study would make one a more sought after opinion.
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Bingo!
Nice reference thread.
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