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Major Doubled Die reverse 2017-P Effigy Mounds quarter - Updated - Machine Damage Doubling
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According to Dr. James Wiles: " the doubling is the result of machine damage doubling on incuse design elements. It is not a doubled die." Thanks for all the input and comments!! The Doubling is still fantastic!!!
I'm not sure how this happened but it is an extremely nice Doubled die in my opinion. I have found different stages and varying degrees of doubling. The 7 in 2017 in doubled nicely along with the E in E PLURIBUS UNUM. Opinions on how this happens with the new minting process are appreciated! Enjoy!
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Nice find!
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I'm wondering if it could be a large date over a smaller date or something along this thought?
Wow, best one in years!
What location was this one found?
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Good catch. Very pronounced doubling. The hunt is on.
That is quite interesting... I'll have to start searching for them.
To me it looks like a small E under a large one.
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Wow!
Nice!
Nice find and nice pics as well.
I hope this gains traction.
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Awesome discovery!!! I still haven't come across any 2017 change, and will be sure to look for this one. Way to go Manorcourtman- interesting variety!
Wow.... that is major... Great find... going to the bank this week for some rolls...Cheers, RickO
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Clear doubling.
I thought modern production methods prevented this sort of thing. What gives?
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Cool and wow. Along with the doubling, that 7 reminds me somewhat of the 1847 over small 7 large cent.
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Congrats, dude! Nice modern day find. Now that you gathered the troops, off we go to the hunt.
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I will get one up later today. I will post a second coin also with a variation on the E also.
Well, where are these turning up?
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On a BST near you real soon.
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Looks like a bit of hub doubling and a dash of mechanical doubling... right?
WOW!
Heavy 7 over Light 7? That is what this looks like.
Based on images available online, I see Business over Proof.
Anyone have both in hand to compare the 7 and E?
OP: can you post more pics?
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Rolling the dice- just bought a bag from the mint, and a couple rolls on Ebay. I'd really like to find one of these....but...
Thanks Manorcourtman for the heads up!
Great find! I'll be watching for more news.
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So I've been taking more pictures and studying the coin further. I have now found it to be doubled on the upper letters as well as the date and E of the Motto. First I'm going to post a pic of the coin since no one has probably seen one. Then I will post pics of the doubling. I used about 5 different coins to get the pics because I discovered multiple examples that are not quite the same. Please forgive my multiple posts to get them all up!
First, I think it is some type of large letters and numbers over small letters/numbers. I see on top doubled letters but they are smaller in size. It is most definitely Doubled die of some sort. There are notches and clear split serifs. The first pic is NDS of MOUNDS on the top of the coin. The arrows point to the doubling. ONLY where the arrows are pointed is the smaller letter doubling.
Pic 2 also shows remnants of the small letters
Pic 3 shows the same while pic 4 shows a different example of the doubling from a different coin. The 4th pic definitely shows a small D and S.
A smaller D and S is evident here:
Pic 5 shows notches from where a smaller letter should appear, but the letters are ghosts and don't appear. Just what I believe are the tops of the letters:
Pic 6 shows what I believe are the top notches of the smaller letters that are underneath the large letters
Here M and O are nicely doubled and smaller. I don't claim to be right or an expert!! Just my opinion. Other opinions are most welcome!!
Awesome find! Thanks for the pictures.
WOW!
The name is LEE!
P, D, or S??
Bank Roll? US Mint Roll?
The name is LEE!
Awesome find !
That is crazy cool!
That's unlike anything we've seen in a long time.
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Excellent pictures, and now I am even more stumped by it!
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Incused lettering has some weird effects. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a doubled die or die wear.
Darn, another P mint error that doubtfully I will see without paying a premium for. I need to move further toward Philly.
Am I a jerk if I'm saying this reminds me a lot of the '84 olympics $1 "ddo", where the incuse lettering had doubled with split serifs .....but it was determined to be a result of die bounce on incuse lettering.
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
That was my first thought.
Cool find...
At the last Long Beach show the Mint was there and they had a change machine that was giving out the new 2017-P Effigy Mounds quarters. I got a bunch of them just for fun to give out to folks at the coin club and to use in change... I took a quick look at a few of them before spending them all and didn't notice anything special... maybe I need to start looking closer at the new stuff
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Thanks for the heads up, I just ordered some from the mint. Maybe I will get lucky and find one or two.
This is what I was referring to:
1984 D $1 Olympics
It was determined NOT to be a ddo
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
Thanks for those pics.
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http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1984OlymicDollarStrikeDbl.htm
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
They seem to be two different things. The olympic coin doubling is the same size. The ones OP posted look to be large over small.
very interesting and mysterious. cool find!
I'll say this last thing then let the actual experts weight in(because this would be an AWESOME DDR discovery)
I think this appears to be large over small because when the loose hub bounced on the incuse strike, the bounce would only barely strike leaving a smaller impression since the "full" lettering wasn't struck.
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
Bodin, thanks for those pics. Looks to me like there might be something similar going on. Those pics also show examples of a 'large over small' type of doubling.
Something that puts some questions in my mind Manorcourtman is the statement 'I discovered multiple examples that are not quite the same. " That makes me think there is some other mechanism that may be occurring than a doubled die. Finding multiple examples with differences would not seem appropriate for a double die... unless of course there are multiple doubled dies that were in use. Like the Minnesota doubled dies?
These definitely require more study... if a for sure doubled die, then awesome!
I'm going to post more pics later. They will be different examples than posted earlier. Thanks for the input everyone.
Remember a couple years ago the idea of the US Mint seeding errors to increase sales / interest? Sure seems strange to see an error of this magnitude on a common coin, when it hasn't happen for a good long time.