My 2017-P Lincoln error find.............The Lightning Bolt Lincoln

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Manorcourtman
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edited March 6, 2017 8:15PM in U.S. Coin Forum

So I bought a bank box of the new 2017-P Lincolns last week. I figure this one year type ( only P mintmark on a Lincoln) would be interesting to see and search for high grade examples and maybe an interesting error or two. The first couple of rolls yielded nothing much other than a lot of very beat up UNC "pennies." Then I ran across a few interesting examples that at first appeared to be well placed scratches through the top of the Shield. Than a few more found made me get out my 6x scope. And a big smile came across my face! They were well placed Die cracks!! I immediately called them the Lightning Bolt cracks and showed the Wife who was amused at my characterization. So 50 rolls later I have several of them!! All identical and all very prominent. Then today I also discovered they all had another die crack running at the bottom of NT in CENT. Thought I'd share it with the peeps here. Enjoy!!

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  • jwitten
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    Still trying to find rolls of them here locally. No luck so far.

  • MsMorrisine
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    minor

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  • golden
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    Cool!

  • Manorcourtman
    Manorcourtman Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2017 6:19PM
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    minor

    Really........thanks for your input. These things rarely appear let alone interesting ones.

  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    'Nice find. I like em.

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  • cmerlo1
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    I'm betting that on a coin from this era, those are going to be scarce. Since you have so many, can you see a progression? I know you don't have any full-blown cuds, but I think it would be cool to see that die go from crack to break to terminal.

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    what a fantastic radial die break, not a crack. obvious field displacement with chipping along the break. on a type coin NOT known for them.

    on the current year coinage, i'd call this a homerun discovery.

    i remember reading there wouldn't be any substantive ddo/ddr after 1992 because of a change in die making processes. well, most of us know the truth about that one. lol

    to see this in '17 just goes to show, errors/varieties are here to stay. :)

    thanks for sharing.
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  • MedalCollector
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    You may have a small fortune there. 2013 machine doubling cents sell for stupid money on eBay. It's a super common die anomaly, just like small die cracks, but for some reason they bid it up, and up....

  • MorganMan94
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    Very nice! I like it, and it sure doesn't look small or minor to me.
    I bet on Ebay you could get a pretty good amount for one of those, I would sell one at a time.

  • BruceS
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    edited March 5, 2017 7:58PM
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    You never know, it just might pay off.
    I would never have the patience to go thru new cent rolls. That's a bunch that got passed Quality control, but how many they bang out in an hour is staggering.

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  • mt_msla
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    I'd like to see next on here that you've submitted a few for grading.... :smile:

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  • bolivarshagnasty
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    Speared Shield?

  • MsMorrisine
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    edited March 5, 2017 8:23PM
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    it is a good score, but my overly short reply was in reaction to giving it a official name.

    sorry for the thread cr@p.

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  • CascadeChris
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    Nice radial with significant displacement. Throw a few on the bay and see what happens. Now, can we get a pic of all 115 please :wink:

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  • mannie gray
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    Really cool, your persistence paid off.
    I think you could do well on eBay doing one at a time.
    I've found a few minor die issues with the shield cents, but nothing as cool as your coins.
    Nice score---thanks for sharing

  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    I'm enjoying the increased error discoveries/photos being posted throughout the forum of late.

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  • 1Mike1
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    Nice find!

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  • mas3387
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    Cool Find !!!!
    Been thru 3 P boxes, not one "Lightning Bolt crack"

  • oih82w8
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    I have not received the "P" cents in the register yet, a few "D's" and only in cents.

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    Here in Montana, I've yet to see any 2017's .... D or P.

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  • ms70
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    I wonder if this would qualify for a minor die variety classification?

  • ricko
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    Great find....Not common on modern cents.... 'Lightning Bolt' Cent... yep... that will work. Cheers, RickO

  • TwoSides2aCoin
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    I'm still searching the CoinStar machine for rarities. Nice find.

  • MsMorrisine
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    @Manorcourtman said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    minor

    Really........thanks for your input. These things rarely appear let alone interesting ones.

    I have been bothered by this a few times today (busy at dr. for example)

    I have to apologize profusely for the cr@p I spouted. I'm very, very sorry. I respect you as a forum member and kick myself for my shortcoming. I need to raise my game considerably.

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  • Sharkman987
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    Very cool!

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @MsMorrisine said:

    @Manorcourtman said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    minor

    Really........thanks for your input. These things rarely appear let alone interesting ones.

    I have been bothered by this a few times today (busy at dr. for example)

    I have to apologize profusely for the cr@p I spouted. I'm very, very sorry. I respect you as a forum member and kick myself for my shortcoming. I need to raise my game considerably.

    i've done that a few times and came back later to give more context/make amends.

    having a conscience is a great thing.
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  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    Regardless of rarity of cause, if you can attach a "hook' for marketing purposes (like the 3 legged Buff.) they could appeal to buyers with the as stated moniker "Lighting bolt cent". Has a dynamic ring to it.

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  • Manorcourtman
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    edited March 6, 2017 8:21PM
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    @CascadeChris said:
    Nice radial with significant displacement. Throw a few on the bay and see what happens. Now, can we get a pic of all 115 please :wink:

    Here's a few of them.......


  • MsMorrisine
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    when I find something like a strike through in new obw's they often are scattered here and there in the box. that's something to find 3 on the ends.

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  • Manorcourtman
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    @MsMorrisine said:

    @Manorcourtman said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    minor

    Really........thanks for your input. These things rarely appear let alone interesting ones.

    I have been bothered by this a few times today (busy at dr. for example)

    I have to apologize profusely for the cr@p I spouted. I'm very, very sorry. I respect you as a forum member and kick myself for my shortcoming. I need to raise my game considerably.

    No worries Friend!! All is well!! Thanks for your follow-up!!

  • AUandAG
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    Why would you leave them untouched? I can remember a bunch of hype on the State quarter/Golden dollar errors that were hot and cooled off to almost face later on.
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  • Manorcourtman
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    @AUandAG said:
    Why would you leave them untouched? I can remember a bunch of hype on the State quarter/Golden dollar errors that were hot and cooled off to almost face later on.
    bob

    I'm leaving the three unopened rolls untouched and in tact. I think they are coolest in the original roll as is. Just my take.

  • Manorcourtman
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    @cmerlo1 said:
    I'm betting that on a coin from this era, those are going to be scarce. Since you have so many, can you see a progression? I know you don't have any full-blown cuds, but I think it would be cool to see that die go from crack to break to terminal.

    I notice a small difference in the length of the crack inside the Shield. That's about it.

  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    @Manorcourtman said:
    I also found 3 OBW rolls with the errors facing outward. They will remain intact and untouched!!

    Do you think all 3 rolls may be full with the error?

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  • joeykoins
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    Hmmm? Could be the start of something BIG? ;)

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  • WoodenJefferson
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    Should have never said I found 115 in one box, that means they will be relatively easy to find. Better to have said '5' and let the fever run rampant. Then someone comes up with maybe 3 rolls, sheesh.

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  • erwindoc
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    edited March 6, 2017 7:16PM
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    I need to go to the bank and see if they have new rolls. Neat find. Last one I remember like this was the speared bison when the Jefferson's were going through changes a few years back.

  • MedalCollector
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    @erwindoc said:
    I need to go to the bank and see if they have new rolls. Neat find. Last one I remember like this was the speared bison when the Jefferson's were going through changes a few years back.

    I believe the speared bison was a die gouge, not a die crack.

  • ctf_error_coins
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    word of advice as I have been there ...

    Sell these very slowly as in ONE auction per week with fantastic STOCK photos with a 99 cent auction start price and you will do very well.

    If it takes you ten years to sell your stash that is awesome as your margins will be insane.

  • Manorcourtman
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    @WoodenJefferson said:
    Should have never said I found 115 in one box, that means they will be relatively easy to find. Better to have said '5' and let the fever run rampant. Then someone comes up with maybe 3 rolls, sheesh.

    It's not like finding a bunch of 1955 DD's! It's all about the fun and enjoyment of the hunt and the hobby. I wanted to share my experience. I hope others find some also. The die life was limited. Chances of finding another bunch is VERY small considering they make 1 trillion of these each year. Just having good clean fun, which drew me to the hobby years ago.

  • amwldcoin
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    Ya better jump while ya have the chance! From your post I would wager there will be more supply than demand!

  • mannie gray
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    I just picked up a box of 2017-D today.
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  • 1630Boston
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    Interesting stuff :smile:

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  • asheland
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    Very cool find!

  • ElKevvo
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    Nice finds! Really neat crack...thanks for posting.

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  • hammer1
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    Some lightening bolts go thru Lincoln's head.

  • crazyhounddog
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    Great find! I'll bet they're not so easy to locate. With today's minting process I do believe these will be sought after.
    Very cool B)

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  • mt_msla
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    Because of this post. Was at Wells Fargo today.

    Bought a sealed box of shiny new copper pennies. Open the bad boy up!

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  • NumisOxide
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    Nice find!

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