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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hideous.

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2017 2:44PM

    Wow, that is an ugly looking coin for a 225th anniversary coin! Why not make a classic coin that captures the last 250 years of minted coins instead of a 2016 PC society?

  • I am an white old man also, Just don't like the undertones of some posts on here. I did vote for Trump (Proudly) and will say if we do not expand this market into places once thought of as untouchable, this hobby will surly die! If just one young (new) African American (That doesn't come from a family that doesn't already collect) can look at this depiction and say "WOW, That is cool." We will be much better off for it. I hope they put all African Americans on all the coins just one year, I would love to see this board light up! I cannot stand how Caucasian this hobby is, for it to grow and flourish we need to add some diversity! End of Rant, let the bashing begin!

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Political nonsense aside, I love the idea and detest the execution. Great material. Poor design. I'm glad my initials aren't on there somewhere (nearly everyone else's are). Design by committee never works, Oregon commem aside.

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paulyaces76 said:
    I am an white old man also, Just don't like the undertones of some posts on here. I did vote for Trump (Proudly) and will say if we do not expand this market into places once thought of as untouchable, this hobby will surly die! If just one young (new) African American (That doesn't come from a family that doesn't already collect) can look at this depiction and say "WOW, That is cool." We will be much better off for it. I hope they put all African Americans on all the coins just one year, I would love to see this board light up! I cannot stand how Caucasian this hobby is, for it to grow and flourish we need to add some diversity! End of Rant, let the bashing begin!

    can you honestly say that this design highlights the coins produced by the United States Mint over the last 250 years?

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if this design had a turtle on it, i'd be saying the exact same thing.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dunno...
    There are some redeeming qualities in this coin, though Im not entirely sure they outweigh the negatives. I'm certainly not opposed to have an African American depiction of Lady Liberty. Not because "it's their turn," but because we are a nation of many. I actually like the obverse, save for those ridiculous stars and the computer generated font. Doesn't anyone know how to engrave lettering anymore or is it all computers?
    The reverse is a disgrace. Eagle has bags under its eyes, like a tired and flightless old soul. And who thought it would be a good idea to clip the tail off the eagle? Looks quite amateurish.
    Overall, a missed opportunity. Maybe it will look better in hand.

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  • aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭

    Smaller stars, maybe 13 to symbolize the 13 original colonies.
    Smaller "Liberty" to fit in the coin so the model is not blocking the word.
    Smaller eagle to fit in the coin.
    Have the wings upward to show it's soaring. Downward wings make it look like it's plummeting.
    There is NO mention of the 225 anniversary of the US Mint.
    It would have been nice to have an image of the original mint on the coin, instead of the model/eagle combo.
    Honestly, what does the model on the observe symbolize ??
    With a mixed-race model & the 1792 date, this symbolizes something else in my mind, NOT the anniversary of our US Mint.

    Just another example of the POOR quality of products our current US Mint produces.

    This coin is a total STRIKE OUT.

    Just my opinion.

    Chris

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    prepare yourselves

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    my drawing skills and imagination are both horrible

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,467 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2017 8:24PM

    same female profile on the head but a better tiara.

    that bent front leg is standing on broken chains and she is looking up while holding rays of light in her hands. I'm not happy with the non-allegorical broken chains, but my imagination does not offer anything else. however, they will do to convey what I have been trying to say. Let the depiction of Miss Liberty also be a depiction of the ideal of Liberty and with a nod to the AA experience and to Liberty across the globe. (human trafficking still exists in the US even)

    The word "Liberty" would follow the curve of the arc at the top.





    or we could have a plain profile with just stars for the only bonus. I prefer the story over the profile.

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  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Miss Liberty is actually quite stunning. But she should have the classic "Liberty" headband. It's so hard to avoid joining the group here in disliking the overpowering stars. They really detract, IMHO.

  • drfishdrfish Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes those stars are very very distracting - really drags the coin down.

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    I just read this article from my local news station. I didn't realize the designer was from my home state of Utah. Im not overly wowed by the design but I actually like it. Congrats to a fellow Utahn!

    Utah artist tapped for design as US Mint celebrates its 225th anniversary
    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=42854835

  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:
    I just read this article from my local news station. I didn't realize the designer was from my home state of Utah. Im not overly wowed by the design but I actually like it. Congrats to a fellow Utahn!

    Utah artist tapped for design as US Min

    t celebrates its 225th anniversary

    Thanks for the most interesting link. The coin design pictured behind the artist is ten times as nice as the one the mint ultimately choose. I assume it was also designed by the same artist.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do see the 1790-1800 connection now

    It's still rather bland.

    PS for bust coinage, would the update include implants?

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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:
    Now this video should pump everyone up.........

    http://www.yorkcast.com/treasury/events/2017/01/12/mint225/

    I tried to watch this yesterday.

    Ugh. I couldn't get through it. (I was even on hydrocodone.) It was hyped as what the mint would do for the 225th anniversary for a couple of months now.

    Did they do that? Did they mention the silver medals based on the American Liberty coin? Any other product announcements?

    For all I watched, it was like watching an industry insider award show (think academy awards) where they got to pat each other on the back and not really say anything of importance.

    All this could have been done on a one page press release...

    (I'd be willing to give the video another shot if they actually did say anything meaningful...)

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh and I'm out on this coin. American Liberty looks to be a yearly release, and while the last coin looked okay, I don't care for the design, anniversary edition or not...

    Maybe the silver medals based on this coin (there might be four of them) would look better, well see.

    Considering the products the mint has already announced, this might be a record low sales year for me.

    (BTW, let me add that the Mint's decision to not release a product schedule is beyond stupid. :smiley: )

  • EagleguyEagleguy Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was no gold American Liberty coin released last year so why make it an annual coin now, with a gap since the last one?

  • TomthemailcarrierTomthemailcarrier Posts: 650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The headband is too prominent I agree. If the mintage is reasonable though I am in.

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    @northcoin said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I just read this article from my local news station. I didn't realize the designer was from my home state of Utah. Im not overly wowed by the design but I actually like it. Congrats to a fellow Utahn!

    Utah artist tapped for design as US Min

    t celebrates its 225th anniversary

    Thanks for the most interesting link. The coin design pictured behind the artist is ten times as nice as the one the mint ultimately choose. I assume it was also designed by the same artist.

    Yes it was, The coin pictured behind him is the 2015 American Liberty medal.

  • C0INB0YC0INB0Y Posts: 627 ✭✭

    I just don't get the HUGE Stars !!

    IMHO, every other device is out of the Park for a new Coin!

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  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    It seems a lot of posters here hate the big stars, the inspiration for those came from the statue of freedom on top of the US Capitol building.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I watched the ceremony..... was not impressed... just a bunch of self congratulatory, poorly scripted speeches. I still say, except for the ostentatious stars, it is a nice coin. Cheers, RickO

  • jerseyralphjerseyralph Posts: 125 ✭✭✭

    To me, the bottom line will be the mintage limit. If over 50K, I definitely wouldn't buy. Keep it around 25K and I might be interested. Lower limit is better.

    Only time will tell whether platinum is king.
  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2017 8:28AM

    @Paulyaces76 said:
    I am an white old man also, Just don't like the undertones of some posts on here. I did vote for Trump (Proudly) and will say if we do not expand this market into places once thought of as untouchable, this hobby will surly die! If just one young (new) African American (That doesn't come from a family that doesn't already collect) can look at this depiction and say "WOW, That is cool." We will be much better off for it. I hope they put all African Americans on all the coins just one year, I would love to see this board light up! I cannot stand how Caucasian this hobby is, for it to grow and flourish we need to add some diversity! End of Rant, let the bashing begin!

    One of my AA (black not booze) friends saw this on the NBC website, she's not a coin collector at all but thought this was cool and might get one.

  • ccmorganccmorgan Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭

    Like many have stated the stars are way out of proportion, and I don't like the eagle either. Not enough detail and too "generic" for me.
    PS in my entire life I've never thought about the "color" of whoever on a coin until now.
    Why should that be of concern to anyone?
    Isn't the color of this person gold?

    Love the 1885-CC Morgan
  • Gorgeous design. It's been long overdue for American coin design to start moving away from the classical ideals that were popular a century ago.

    Eventually, a new generation of hobbyists will better appreciate a new aesthetic in design, traces of which are apparent in several recent modern issues. I've given up on the current mindset of collectors who still seem content to remain mired in the past.

    By the way, for those who are criticizing Liberty's tiara, you do realize that the crown of stars is an homage to the Statue of Freedom that stands proudly atop the United States Capitol dome. I think it's a beautiful tribute to an already powerful symbol.

    Robert
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    One of my AA (black not booze) friends saw this on the NBC website, she's not a coin collector at all but thought this was cool and might get one.

    After she sees what the price is don't be surprised if she changes her mind about buying it. :D

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:
    It seems a lot of posters here hate the big stars, the inspiration for those came from the statue of freedom on top of the US Capitol building.

    Thank you for posting the partial inspiration for this beautiful coin.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Deconstructing this into its components:

    Portrait: Very well done, attractive.
    Headband: Makes no sense to me. Looks like a grade-school play prop. I'd like to know the thought process that led to it. I can't help but wonder if there was an extreme aversion to making any sort of head adornment that could be perceived as offensive. The Morgan dollar cotton bolls and leaves probably would have been a bad idea, for example.
    Lettering: Way too big, just like last year. Puts the York commem to shame. Maybe that's what will tie the series together. My standard rant against computer fonts applies.
    Level of detail: Lacks sharpness.

    If Liberty is a pan-racial concept, depicting Angelina Jolie one year and a black woman the next does nothing to advance this, because now they've basically told individual ethnic groups that they're in line for their turn, making this a pandering issue. Creating a ethnically ambiguous depiction of Liberty should have been the goal starting with last year.

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2017 9:00AM

    For the ADD folk like me, a reminder of the subject...

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:
    Deconstructing this into its components:

    Portrait: Very well done, attractive.
    Headband: Makes no sense to me. Looks like a grade-school play prop. I'd like to know the thought process that led to it. I can't help but wonder if there was an extreme aversion to making any sort of head adornment that could be perceived as offensive. The Morgan dollar cotton bolls and leaves probably would have been a bad idea, for example.
    Lettering: Way too big, just like last year. Puts the York commem to shame. Maybe that's what will tie the series together. My standard rant against computer fonts applies.
    Level of detail: Lacks sharpness.

    If Liberty is a pan-racial concept, depicting Angelina Jolie one year and a black woman the next does nothing to advance this, because now they've basically told individual ethnic groups that they're in line for their turn, making this a pandering issue. Creating a ethnically ambiguous depiction of Liberty should have been the goal starting with last year.

    John. Since the headband is modeled after the headband on the Statue of Freedom I'm guessing the artist went off of a photo and didn't realize they were so big as to be seen from the ground when the statue is atop the capitol dome. Just a guess.

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  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2017 9:33AM

    @CascadeChris said:

    @messydesk said:
    Deconstructing this into its components:

    Portrait: Very well done, attractive.
    Headband: Makes no sense to me. Looks like a grade-school play prop. I'd like to know the thought process that led to it. I can't help but wonder if there was an extreme aversion to making any sort of head adornment that could be perceived as offensive. The Morgan dollar cotton bolls and leaves probably would have been a bad idea, for example.
    Lettering: Way too big, just like last year. Puts the York commem to shame. Maybe that's what will tie the series together. My standard rant against computer fonts applies.
    Level of detail: Lacks sharpness.

    If Liberty is a pan-racial concept, depicting Angelina Jolie one year and a black woman the next does nothing to advance this, because now they've basically told individual ethnic groups that they're in line for their turn, making this a pandering issue. Creating a ethnically ambiguous depiction of Liberty should have been the goal starting with last year.

    John. Since the headband is modeled after the headband on the Statue of Freedom I'm guessing the artist went off of a photo and didn't realize they were so big as to be seen from the ground when the statue is atop the capitol dome. Just a guess.

    If that was the intent why not make the entire statue huge so you could see it from the ground?

    I don't think the artist thought to himself, I want my statue on the Capitol building but I need everyone to see my best detail "the stars!!", I know I'll make them huge that way everyone will see my glorious stars.

    I say this in jest, not to offend.

    I don't think that was the reason for the large stars, just my opinion.

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:

    @CascadeChris said:

    @messydesk said:
    Deconstructing this into its components:

    Portrait: Very well done, attractive.
    Headband: Makes no sense to me. Looks like a grade-school play prop. I'd like to know the thought process that led to it. I can't help but wonder if there was an extreme aversion to making any sort of head adornment that could be perceived as offensive. The Morgan dollar cotton bolls and leaves probably would have been a bad idea, for example.
    Lettering: Way too big, just like last year. Puts the York commem to shame. Maybe that's what will tie the series together. My standard rant against computer fonts applies.
    Level of detail: Lacks sharpness.

    If Liberty is a pan-racial concept, depicting Angelina Jolie one year and a black woman the next does nothing to advance this, because now they've basically told individual ethnic groups that they're in line for their turn, making this a pandering issue. Creating a ethnically ambiguous depiction of Liberty should have been the goal starting with last year.

    John. Since the headband is modeled after the headband on the Statue of Freedom I'm guessing the artist went off of a photo and didn't realize they were so big as to be seen from the ground when the statue is atop the capitol dome. Just a guess.

    If that was the intent why not make the entire statue huge so you could see it from the ground?

    I don't think the artist thought to himself, I want my statue on the Capitol building but I need everyone to see my best detail "the stars!!", I know I'll make them huge that way everyone will see my glorious stars.

    I say this in jest, not to offend.

    I don't think that was the reason for the large stars, just my opinion.

    Pehaps it was just meant as a source of pride by the original artist then. Whatever the case, it does not translate well in coin bust form

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice braids to go with the bun. Kind of reminds me of the SBA$ , except it's a gold $100. Probably about 30% higher than spot.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:
    It seems a lot of posters here hate the big stars, the inspiration for those came from the statue of freedom on top of the US Capitol building.

    I like the inspiration.

    And large stars make sense to me -- as part of a big helmet on a big statue AND viewed from far away.

    But IMO that inspiration is badly forced onto this coin.

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2019 9:57AM

    .

  • youniqueyounique Posts: 882 ✭✭✭

    The bun is fun but I have to agree with the comment from Millhouse73 on the CoinNews.net take on the coin:

    "Millhouse73 January 12, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    Of course if the mint is shooting for ugliness, they hit the nail right on the head, but I don’t think that was the case. Everyone has an opinion about everything and I’m sure there are coin collectors who think this coin is beautiful . . . .. . .. . . . .. (just threw up in my mouth a little), but the mint should really should get an idea of what numismatists really want on their coins. Yes, THIER coins, because after all, the coins the mint produces ultimately end up in our hands. Not this one though. They can keep it. Hope they don’t make to many just to melt them down for the next disaster."

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't know if it was posted yet in this thread (didn't see it) but this is now making non-numismatic, main stream media waves. Those who don't like the design may wind up liking the potential...
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/01/13/lady-liberty-depicted-african-american-us-mint/96533082/

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pass x10

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Groundbreaking" ? maybe. Controversial? yes.

    Perhaps design is to make a statement.... IMO the ring of stars seems to be more representative of a 'crown of thorns' instead of an inspiring liberty motif.

    The eagle on the other side... flying in reverse?? Agree should have been a better design on that.

    Not one of my favorites. Will I purchase one? Perhaps... after all I did purchase one of those unliked National Park gold coins....

    ----- kj
  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That write-up makes it sound like the coin is replacing the $100 note for circulation

    The more you VAM..
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "The 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary Gold Coin is the first in a series of 24-karat gold coins that will feature designs which depict an allegorical Liberty in a variety of contemporary forms-including designs representing Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Indian-Americans among others-to reflect the cultural and ethnic diversity of the United States," reads a press release from the Mint.

    "The coins are worth $100 and they will also feature this dynamic but somewhat exasperated-looking bald eagle. "

    Guess I haven't really read anything about this issue before. The above quote was news to me... that this is the first in a series of minority designs. Who knows how far they will go with this concept... perhaps there will be a trans-gender on the coin!

    I was somewhat amused at the 'exasperated-looking bald eagle' description!

    ----- kj
  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh no, so this coin is actually a fake?

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:

    "The coins are worth $100 and they will also feature this dynamic but somewhat exasperated-looking bald eagle. "

    Wow. Wait until someone tries to buy one for $100 and finds out it costs 13x that. (I used 13 in honor of the date. I don't really know what the price will be. Certainly well above spot...)

    Guess I haven't really read anything about this issue before. The above quote was news to me... that this is the first in a series of minority designs. Who knows how far they will go with this concept... perhaps there will be a trans-gender on the coin!

    This has actually been know for a while (well, at least to me) that American Liberty is going to be a yearly issue.

    If I had to guess, this was to appease congress to issue 24K gold coins after the first spouse series ended.

    I was somewhat amused at the 'exasperated-looking bald eagle' description!

    He's (or she) is exasperated because he somehow lost his arrows and olive branch. And is it just me, or does Liberty look a little pissed?

    As for the huge flippin' stars, the one on the capital building is part of the hat she's wearing, and is offset by the eagle on her head. (It is an eagle, isn't it?)

    Put it on a tiara, and it just looks out of place...

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @COCollector said:

    @nk1nk said:
    It seems a lot of posters here hate the big stars, the inspiration for those came from the statue of freedom on top of the US Capitol building.

    I like the inspiration.

    And large stars make sense to me -- as part of a big helmet on a big statue AND viewed from far away.

    But IMO that inspiration is badly forced onto this coin.

    that statue is a little dark blob from the ground.

    you'd need binoculars to view it from the ground.

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