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carabonnair
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I just received this one back from our host. I asked a few experts at the Anaheim ANA if they thought it would be details or straight grade - with very mixed opinions. So - what do you think?



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Gawain

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  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Genuine, plugged, repaired.





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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks about G8. I'm guessing PCGS forgave the heavy but short scratches at 12 o'clock and the planchet flaws. The reverse adjustment marks were not a concern.

    Lance.
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  • TPRC
    TPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'lll go out on a limb and say 10. It looks a bit funky at 1:00 on obverse and reverse has some planchet issues, but unless that is a repair on the obverse and unless it is corrosion on the reverse, I think it will pass as OK. Adjustment marks are OK. I've looked so long at coins like this that I see problems that aren't there, so I'll stop now and say straight grade VG-10.

    Tom

  • CommemKing
    CommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    damage/tooling G Details.
  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Genuine, plugged, repaired.




    Have to agree, the marks at 12 o'clock obv and 6 o'clock reverse give it away; this is right where most coins are holed, and this one shows signs of tooling there, both sides. Decent job of it, but won't receive numerical grade.



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  • TopographicOceans
    TopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
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    Good Details, Repaired
  • BustCuds
    BustCuds Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Baley

    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Genuine, plugged, repaired.




    Have to agree, the marks at 12 o'clock obv and 6 o'clock reverse give it away; this is right where most coins are holed, and this one shows signs of tooling there, both sides. Decent job of it, but won't receive numerical grade.







    +1



    VG Details



  • rays
    rays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG10 by details, so close to Fine 12.
    Unknowable as to damage from the image, perhaps not
  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG8

    Without the flaws its a 10 or 12 but I'm guessing they gave it a VG8.

    If it was plugged, I would hope the folks you showed it to in person would be able to tell.
  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: REALGATOR

    VG8



    Without the flaws its a 10 or 12 but I'm guessing they gave it a VG8.



    If it was plugged, I would hope the folks you showed it to in person would be able to tell.




    Exactly my thinking. If anyone was hung up on whether it would straight-grade it was probably over surface issues and not a repaired hole.

    Lance.
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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There is a good chance that it has been plugged. The marks on corresponding areas of the obverse and reverse look suspect. The area under the wreath on the reverse looks like the kind of marks that are used to conceal a filled hole to me.

    At any rate the "V" that is scratched in over the "R" in "LIBERTY" would make it a details grade coin in any case. The sharpness grade is VG-7.
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  • MICHAELDIXON
    MICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS Genuine
    Repaired-VG Details
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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: MICHAELDIXON

    PCGS Genuine

    Repaired-VG Details





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  • MICHAELDIXON
    MICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So...what was the verdict?
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  • boyernumismatics
    boyernumismatics Posts: 473 ✭✭✭✭
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    Very hard to tell without seeing it in person. I'll say VG details, repaired.
  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don't know if it's been plugged but it looks tooled in a couple spots and with the problem between E & R I'm at VG Details.
  • USMarine6
    USMarine6 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm in the 10 camp
  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Details

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  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    details, allowing for that still nice looking overall
  • CertifiedGoldCoins
    CertifiedGoldCoins Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: BillJones
    There is a good chance that it has been plugged. The marks on corresponding areas of the obverse and reverse look suspect. The area under the wreath on the reverse looks like the kind of marks that are used to conceal a filled hole to me.

    At any rate the "V" that is scratched in over the "R" in "LIBERTY" would make it a details grade coin in any case. The sharpness grade is VG-7.

    +1

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Genuine, damaged, repaired.... details... Cheers, RickO
  • grip
    grip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    Genuine, plugged, repaired.




    bobimage


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  • carabonnair
    carabonnair Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thank to everyone for the replies.

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    I have examined this very closely - if it is plugged, then it is absolutely the best repair job I have seen. The scratches between E and R do not line up with the mark under the wreath. I thought it might be an attempted hole, but there is a similar mark between C and A. I thought the scratches would make it a details coin, but about half the people I talked to thought it would grade in spite of them, since they were old and not horribly intrusive to the design.



    I am certainly pleased with VG08 - Lance and REALGATOR were spot on. Even with this coin added to the census, I believe it is still a low R-7. It is the only one without any trace of the reverse die crack (compared the other 8 in the Tomkins book), so perhaps mine is the *true* Overton 123 and everyone else can be 123a now image
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  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hey, congratulations on the grade and the rare variety, I'm very happy to have been wrong about this coin.



    That said, I'd still love to see extremely large and detailed pictures of the surfaces and particularly the areas in question

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  • carabonnair
    carabonnair Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Baley

    Hey, congratulations on the grade and the rare variety, I'm very happy to have been wrong about this coin.



    That said, I'd still love to see extremely large and detailed pictures of the surfaces and particularly the areas in question




    Thanks - your analysis was very similar to mine - I have been burned by plugged coins in the past.



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    I uploaded John's full-size photos to flickr if you want to examine it more closely



    obverse on flickr

    reverse on flickr



    Edited to fix quote code
    Gawain

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  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,210 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I was going to say VG6...I won't quit my day or night job.
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  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats on the grade! Glad I was wrong. image I am surprised they didn't net it to G6 for the gouges though.
  • Wolf359
    Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
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    I think it's a great looking coin. Nice pickup.
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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I was thinking it was going to be netted down but straight graded, but didn't want to stick my neck out on this one. I have had FH dollars that graded VF30 but had issues.
  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've seen seated quarters with blackened surfaces one step from corrosion/burning and large scratches across the figures still grading VF. So those 2 minor scratches on a 1795 coin with overall nice color seems very minor.



    VG 1795 halves tend to have a lot of "problems." My last one was a VG10 OGH and really was a Fine 12. I sold it for Fine money to a major dealer. I made a list of all the flaws and defects on the coins and came up with over 50 of them. No collector would touch it with that description....lol. So I was forced to sell it to a dealer for 5-10% more money...lol. I count about 35-40 "defects" on this one. Welcome to the club.
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