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An example of a good TPG grading innovation
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Hardly innovative but this Spanish TPG nots the grade of the obverse and reverse across a series of attributes.
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On the plus side, the coin has attributes from 55 to 60, basically a net AU58. The seller and potential buyers can negotiate on where it falls from 55 to 60.
Interesting.
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Easton - curious about your grading on toning. What would the 10 point scale look like? Sounds like a viable system.
Thanks
That's a lot of work. So what is the final overall "market" grade? It's nowhere to be found. What's it worth vs. a price guide or auction results. How do you look up coins in the "same grade" if they have variables like this? How do you grade color? And for a very well struck coin like this what does 58/61 mean?
On the plus side, the coin has attributes from 55 to 60, basically a net AU58. The seller and potential buyers can negotiate on where it falls from 55 to 60.
The obverse shows the final grade of AU58, these are the details for the assigned net grade and shown on the reverse of the slab
Latin American Collection
Latin American Collection
The obverse shows the final grade of AU58, these are the details for the assigned net grade and shown on the reverse of the slab
Makes sense now. I thought they had holdered it backwards, making the grades even more confusing!
The obverse shows the final grade of AU58, these are the details for the assigned net grade and shown on the reverse of the slab
Makes sense now. I thought they had holdered it backwards, making the grades even more confusing!
Me too.
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The obverse shows the final grade of AU58, these are the details for the assigned net grade and shown on the reverse of the slab
Makes sense now. I thought they had holdered it backwards, making the grades even more confusing!
Me too.
Duh...wasn't is obvious that it was pic 2 of 2?
The obverse shows the final grade of AU58, these are the details for the assigned net grade and shown on the reverse of the slab
Makes sense now. I thought they had holdered it backwards, making the grades even more confusing!
Me too.
Duh...wasn't is obvious that it was pic 2 of 2?
It wasn't obvious. But I noticed it. Would have helped if the coin's overall net grade were mentioned in the first post. With 5 levels of qualifiers, it still brings confusion into the pricing structure. "Hey, my AU58 has better luster plus it has mint state color....so I want 20% more."
I wouldn't mind seeing the obverse as it could be an UNC coin imo. The reverse in UNC.
Latin American Collection
This coin has 10 different grades assigned to it. Does that really contribute to the overall conclusion of AU58? If a different coin were to reach AU58 by a different combination of sub-grades (more on some categories, less on others), should it be worth more, or less?
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Strike and surface a la NGC Ancients makes sense.
Nice coin, I was kidding that it should have been obvious the first pic was the reverse. It threw me as well
Nice coin in a crazy holder............and they misspelled color.
European spelling
Latin American Collection
Latin American Collection
So, laugh all you wish. I like that slab.
If we live long enough, grading will become more and more like this with both sides graded as in the beginning. Anyone remember the ANA's photo certificates with aspects of the coin broken down? Anyone remember a much more detailed breakdown of a coin's grade attributes at INS that was the size of a sheet of paper and broke down everything including the location of marks, and defects?
Furthermore, it is possible to get experienced professionals (and even Grading 101 students) very close to agreement on specific attributes of a coin. Grading problems principally occur when several different factors are introduced that must be weighed for importance and side of the coin. Then we throw the entire process into confusion when we introduce extraneous factors such as value, condition for the specific date, etc. Coin dealers are responsible for much of this mess.
Think about it. I can sit your granny down at a table using four Morgan dollars and teach her about strike in less than five minutes.
Coin #1 is fully struck
Coin #2 is extremely flat
Coin #3 is weak
Coin #4 is nothing special - like a normal coin
However, it would take years to train her (or any other non-professional) how each date normally comes and how the strike for that date influences the value. Try teaching "Well this is a 1894-O and this is an extremely strong and exceptional (looks like a normal strike to her) strike for this date. I am confident in this fact.
The late 1980's ANACS color paper certs had obv/rev grades and 4-5 qualifiers on the reverse (strike, luster, eye appeal?, marks, or something like that ....no overall grade). My first "lesson" on those was buying a wonderful, pristine, old crusty shield nickel graded ANACS 65/65 with the highest qualifiers possible. A no brainer gem imo as it was without any marks. Not even a single high point or field graze. Submitted it to NGC in 1988 and got a MS64! Cracked it out and tried again with the same result. Couldn't believe it. The luster was so pristine you could literally count the granules. I guess the TPG didn't like it because it had some die cracks. In any case, all those superlatives led to a MS64 coin. ANACS (and me) missed something that the TPG didn't like.
Thanks for posting the obverse of that coin. I can see the "rub." Though I wonder in the US system would that coin still be netted as a 61/62. How much of that is "stacking" friction as often seen on our capped or draped bust halves?
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