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BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Or those with a chemistry set and an oven.



1842-D $5



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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's nothing like unquestionable originality on southern gold. That poor coin survived the Civil War, only to die a horrible death years later in the hands of a coin doctor.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So how high do you think GSC will shill it up to? image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So where's the AU coin?
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That really is ugly.... such a shame... likely someone thinks AT gold will be as profitable as AT silver.... Cheers, RickO
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They couldn't shill for much over melt to me. That is one ugly coin. It's far worse the dipped out "white gold" coins.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only salvation would be to buy it and melt it.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a wonderful 53-D $5 I have ex. RYK which has wild coloration but I think to be 100% original. To the newbie, I can see how a coin like that in the GSC auction can be confused for wild toning from a natural source.



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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Indeed a shame.. image

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  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is very, very sad!!
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Boosibri

    Here is a wonderful 53-D $5 I have ex. RYK which has wild coloration but I think to be 100% original. To the newbie, I can see how a coin like that in the GSC auction can be confused for wild toning from a natural source.



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    Now that is a nice, natural chunk of southern gold right there.



    I guess if the OP coin was cooked, the color is in the metal, and dipping wouldn't help?



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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Notice how the toning patter is inverted between the GSC coin and the one I posted. It is very uncommon to see an outside in toning pattern as in the eBay coin. It is more natural to see "inside out" toning with the fields toned and the areas around the devices to be lighted toned which is actually iridescent when put under light.



    The "outside in" toning pattern can occur naturally but it is much less frequently encountered and is usually found on coins which spent time in wood boxes or leather pouches. Be skeptical when you see this pattern on gold..



    Inside Out:

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    Outside In:

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is my favorite toned gold.. and Doug Winters said he thinks it is natural for those that doubt.
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones
    They couldn't shill for much over melt to me. That is one ugly coin. It's far worse the dipped out "white gold" coins.


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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ....and then there is this piece which may have been toned in a volcano...

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  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am guessing that Southern Coin took an already damaged coin and made it worse with their "fix"...I don't think they cracked out an 1842-D AU55 coin out of a PCGS/CAC holder...the real damage was done way before they got to it...

    Got this one in the mail today...has reddish toning in the recesses on the obverse...ex-Littlejohn...I went back and looked at the Littlejohn auction results...and was surprised to see that the vast majority of his collection did not grade because they were cleaned...guess this one escaped that fate...

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice Jon!

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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    I like toned gold.
    And a D mint is even better.

    But that's one messed up coin image
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    So where's the AU coin?




    That's it, since AU means "About Ugly" in the GSC dialect.



  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: rhedden

    There's nothing like unquestionable originality on southern gold. That poor coin survived the Civil War, only to die a horrible death years later in the hands of a coin doctor.




    "Doctor" is too flattering for the imbecile who ruined that coin.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Boosibri
    ....and then there is this piece which may have been toned in a volcano...
    imageimage


    That is a beautiful coin! I know you don't think it is natural, but it looks very similar to the Indian I posted, which even Doug Winters thought was natural. Do you know who owns it?
  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jwitten

    Originally posted by: Boosibri

    ....and then there is this piece which may have been toned in a volcano...

    imageimage




    That is a beautiful coin! I know you don't think it is natural, but it looks very similar to the Indian I posted, which even Doug Winters thought was natural. Do you know who owns it?




    Yea and its in my CAR type set. I do think it's natural.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,122 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the coin was already polished.
    The toning was done later to try and hide that fact.
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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Horrific... nice-looking toned gold. I know Brian is fond of this one...

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very fond.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr

    I think the coin was already polished.

    The toning was done later to try and hide that fact.





    I agree

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Boosibri
    Originally posted by: jwitten
    Originally posted by: Boosibri
    ....and then there is this piece which may have been toned in a volcano...
    imageimage


    That is a beautiful coin! I know you don't think it is natural, but it looks very similar to the Indian I posted, which even Doug Winters thought was natural. Do you know who owns it?


    Yea and its in my CAR type set. I do think it's natural.


    So it's yours? I love it! Let me know if you ever want to sell.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CharlotteDude

    Horrific... nice-looking toned gold. I know Brian is fond of this one...



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    'dude




    duuude.
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, what hell hath been bestowed upon you, oh lovely lady.
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    here's one for you:



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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: steveben
    here's one for you:

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    Very nice!

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