In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886. The only 2 coins out that can be lower are Truman (105 away) and Lady Bird (347 away).
Originally posted by: OperationButter Coolidge is the low for now in PR at 2315.
In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886. The only 2 coins out that can be lower are Truman (105 away) and Lady Bird (347 away).
"Lady bird is the only hope." - Jmski52
When do you all think that Lady Bird will go off sale?
Originally posted by: OperationButter In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886.
And the unc. Eleanor is going for only $1000 or so on eBay, sometimes less. This for a series key featuring one of the more popular first ladies in recent history.
I think the uncs. are toast. The proofs look much better and will experience much more demand from future collectors. Already the proof Eleanor is bringing several hundred dollars more than the unc., even with a mintage that is about 500 higher.
I think the uncs. are toast. The proofs look much better and will experience much more demand from future collectors. Already the proof Eleanor is bringing several hundred dollars more than the unc., even with a mintage that is about 500 higher.
Who is gonna load up on Lady Bird uncs? They didn't have a 2nd production run as they did for Bess and Mamie, so a record low mintage is still a possibility.
Then again, who knows what the Mint is ever going to do? For whatever reason, someone got a bug up his behind and doubled the mintages of the Shawnee 5 ozers. I wouldn't be surprised one day if they simply forgot to mint a coin until Dec. 31st and it became an instant rarity.
It's my lot in life to pick the underdogs, and 90% of the time, I'll opt for the unc. on the basis of mintage. I also think that Betty Ford could make a serious run at Eleanor by the time it's all over. But I've also been wrong before.
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Interesting to watch. Wonder if the Eleanor UNC will remain the low mintage key. So glad that I sent three back to the Mint a day before they went red. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U.S. Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has asked the American people for feedback on what he calls “a new family of bills.” I’m teaming up with Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) to urge the Secretary to embrace this plan: Create a $25 bill. Put Eleanor Roosevelt on it.
We understand that many outstanding women have been nominated to appear on our nation’s paper currency. Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony — they and many others made historic contributions to great causes like the abolition of slavery, civil rights and voting rights for women. In time, a place for each should be found, consistent with Secretary Lew’s promise that “women will be a prominent part” of our future currency.
But Eleanor Roosevelt deserves to be honored first because no other American woman has had such an enormous positive impact on people’s lives, both at home and around the world.
During a public service career that spanned more than 40 years, including 12 as our most active and influential First Lady, she fought for virtually every one of the social issues that mattered in her time, and still matter today. And she did it in the face of constant, scathing attacks from those who disdained her gender every bit as much as they opposed her causes.
A catalog of her accomplishments would take pages, but here are two that encapsulate the devotion and, yes, genius she brought to major issues.
During World War II, millions of men left their jobs to serve in uniform. To keep the economy running — and especially to produce the guns, tanks, ships and planes to win the war — women replaced them in the nation’s factories. “Rosie the Riveter” was the bright, confident symbol of this tectonic shift.
There was a problem, though: Someone had to look after their children while they worked — Rosie needed day care. That seems obvious now. But back then when stay-at-home moms were assumed to be the norm, no one, not even President Franklin Roosevelt, could see it.
Eleanor did. Even though she was already fighting for a host of other causes — like demanding fair treatment for African-Americans in uniform — she campaigned relentlessly for child care. At first, the resistance was shockingly stubborn. Finally one company, Kaiser, saw the logic of her case and opened a fully equipped child-care center at its shipyard in Washington State. Productivity immediately soared. After that everyone got it, and similar centers sprang up across the nation, followed by similar increases in output.
Eleanor had not only made a major contribution to the war effort, she had championed a concept that never existed before, accessible child care for working women. It is still not fully realized today, but thanks to her, millions of lives over the past seven decades have been made measurably better.
After WWII, Eleanor undertook many public service roles, the most historic of which was serving as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations and helping to write the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
At first, the assignment looked like Mission Impossible. The very idea of declaring that all people share certain basic rights was alien to many world leaders, especially the totalitarians. And Eleanor herself was dismissed as just a famous, well-meaning woman.
How they underestimated her! Armed not only with her passion on the issue, but her decades of experience in sharp-elbowed politics, she out-argued the skeptics and outmaneuvered the opponents. When the document she crafted was finally adopted by the UN, it was hailed as “a Magna Carta” for human rights.
President Truman called Eleanor Roosevelt the “First Lady of the World.” Quite right. She leads the honor roll of great American women, a fact confirmed in a national poll conducted last summer after Secretary Lew asked for nominees. She richly deserves to be the first woman to grace our nation’s paper currency, and she deserves to be on a new bill all her own.
To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. -M. Friedman
Originally posted by: NeoclassicalAnalyst Nixon or ford --uncirculated key? Guesstimate final sale 1680
I think it will be more, however many they struck. The Mint may keep them on sale for years, like they did the 2014 issues that only sold out recently.
Now Eleanor Roosevelt uncirculated gold coins are consistently sold around $2000. If this one is confirmed as the series key by end of 2017, price will quickly jump to $4500-5000.
To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. -M. Friedman
@NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
Now Eleanor Roosevelt uncirculated gold coins are consistently sold around $2000. If this one is confirmed as the series key by end of 2017, price will quickly jump to $4500-5000.
So this is 10, 9, 8,...3, 2, 1, depending on confirmation, "as the series key by end of 2017".
@NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
Now Eleanor Roosevelt uncirculated gold coins are consistently sold around $2000. If this one is confirmed as the series key by end of 2017, price will quickly jump to $4500-5000.
So this is 10, 9, 8,...3, 2, 1, depending on confirmation, "as the series key by end of 2017".
Check. Got it. Thanks. Makes sense.
Question - are you holding a bunch of Eleanors?
I certainly hope that I have a bunch of them as a few big dealers in western states and FL do
To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. -M. Friedman
@NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
Now Eleanor Roosevelt uncirculated gold coins are consistently sold around $2000. If this one is confirmed as the series key by end of 2017, price will quickly jump to $4500-5000.
In terms of price, the series key is likely to be the Eleanor proof. Raw uncircs are fetching $1300 to $1600 each on eBay, while proofs (despite their 500 higher mintage) are bringing $2000 and up. Mint sales figures and aftermarket demand show that collectors clearly prefer proof commems, which are generally much more attractive than their uncirculated counterparts.
It used to be the mint would pull them after about one year of availability but more recently the sales are so dismal they'll let em languish for much longer.
The First Lady series is the worst example of the "made to sell commemorative" coins. Many of these women had no business to be on a U.S. commemorative coin when there have been many other FAR MORE DESERVING people and events. Most of these women did little except marry well. A few of them made their husband's challenging lives more difficult. Jane Pierce, Mary Lincoln and Florence Harding fall into that category.
Most of the this series deserves to go to the dust bin of numismatic history. Most of these coins should never have been made. The subject was usually unworthy; the prices were high because of their gold content, which kept small collectors out; and, as others have said, the designs were not great. The only economic future for this series lies with dealers luring in investors because of the low mintages. That game has been played with the "old" commemoratives (1892 to 1954), and look where that market is now.
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@Raufus said:
Do those who follow these think Eleanor will remain key when all is done?
I think so because, compared to most other first ladies, she is well known and popular. A few proofs (including Florence Harding and Lou Hoover) have lower mintages, but these first ladies are much less well known by the public. The Jackie Kennedy and Nancy Reagan coins won't be keys because of their relatively high mintages.
Not sure which number (if either) is correct, but the final sales figures reported by the Mint are frequently revised downward, sometimes significantly, when actual final net mintages are announced, to reflect returns, inability to fill orders, and other adjustments.
@7over8 said:
Dead series, period.
No real demand--save for about two thousand collectors who keep thier
sets complete.
What he said: there are too many good-looking Modern Gold Coins out there for me to throw any money other than spot or below at this series.
It is sad because the mintages are so low (any other Series with any semblance of beauty would rock) yet the aesthetic desire is so low. They are low mintage gold rounds to me.
@MilesWaits said:
It is sad because the mintages are so low (any other Series with any semblance of beauty would rock) yet the aesthetic desire is so low. They are low mintage gold rounds to me.
The four designs in the "Liberty" subset, with their classic coin obverses, are worth considering.
Comments
Less than 100 available
So it appears that 2015 FS proofs were produced with mintage between 2700-2800, 20% increase over 2014 FS proofs.
Mamie Eisenhower 2015 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin West Point (W) 96 Item(s) In Stock
Lou Hoover 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin West Point (W) 59 Item(s) In Stock
First Spouse HP2 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HARDING 1,834
First Spouse HP4 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - COOLIDGE 1,830
First Spouse HP5 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 2,332
First Spouse HP6 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 1,808
In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886. The only 2 coins out that can be lower are Truman (105 away) and Lady Bird (347 away).
"Lady bird is the only hope." - Jmski52
BST Transactions (as the seller): Collectall, GRANDAM, epcjimi1, wondercoin, jmski52, wheathoarder, jay1187, jdsueu, grote15, airplanenut, bigole
Coolidge is the low for now in PR at 2315.
In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886. The only 2 coins out that can be lower are Truman (105 away) and Lady Bird (347 away).
"Lady bird is the only hope." - Jmski52
When do you all think that Lady Bird will go off sale?
BST Transactions (as the seller): Collectall, GRANDAM, epcjimi1, wondercoin, jmski52, wheathoarder, jay1187, jdsueu, grote15, airplanenut, bigole
In terms of the Unc's, Roosevelt has been confirmed the low for 2014 @ 1886.
And the unc. Eleanor is going for only $1000 or so on eBay, sometimes less. This for a series key featuring one of the more popular first ladies in recent history.
I think the uncs. are toast. The proofs look much better and will experience much more demand from future collectors. Already the proof Eleanor is bringing several hundred dollars more than the unc., even with a mintage that is about 500 higher.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Who is gonna load up on Lady Bird uncs? They didn't have a 2nd production run as they did for Bess and Mamie, so a record low mintage is still a possibility.
Then again, who knows what the Mint is ever going to do? For whatever reason, someone got a bug up his behind and doubled the mintages of the Shawnee 5 ozers. I wouldn't be surprised one day if they simply forgot to mint a coin until Dec. 31st and it became an instant rarity.
It's my lot in life to pick the underdogs, and 90% of the time, I'll opt for the unc. on the basis of mintage. I also think that Betty Ford could make a serious run at Eleanor by the time it's all over. But I've also been wrong before.
I knew it would happen.
Grace Coolidge Unc gold only 90 left for sale at mint.
84 left,
46 hoover proof left
semi keys
First Spouse HP4 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – COOLIDGE 1866 79 left
Will Mint remove them in two days? Dozens sold last week.
Lou Hoover 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 93 Item(s) In Stock
Grace Coolidge 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 58 Item(s) In Stock
Florence Harding 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 74 Item(s) In Stock
Lou Hoover 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin West Point (W) 22 Item(s) In Stock
Lou Hoover 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 90 Item(s) In Stock
Grace Coolidge 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 58 Item(s) In Stock
Florence Harding 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 71 Item(s) In Stock
Lou Hoover 2014 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin West Point (W) 18 Item(s) In Stock
2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD 960
2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 605--------potential key?
2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1,871
2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1,087
2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 2,450
2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1,709
2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2,686
2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 1,777
2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 2,440
2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1,585
2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 11,221
2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 5,956
2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HARDING 1,874
2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - COOLIDGE 1,895
2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 2,374
2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 1,852
Ford - potential key?
Something is telling me the Mint is willing to keep all the Fords in the garage
until they become classics.
If they could obtain majestic toning by some mysterious means, they would
find buyers really fast.
First Spouse HP4 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - COOLIDGE 1,901 4/3/2016
First Spouse HP5 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 2,381 4/3/2016
First Spouse HP6 2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 1,858 4/3/2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-j-raab/first-lady-eleanor-roosev_b_9486662.html
U.S. Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has asked the American people for feedback on what he calls “a new family of bills.” I’m teaming up with Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) to urge the Secretary to embrace this plan: Create a $25 bill. Put Eleanor Roosevelt on it.
We understand that many outstanding women have been nominated to appear on our nation’s paper currency. Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony — they and many others made historic contributions to great causes like the abolition of slavery, civil rights and voting rights for women. In time, a place for each should be found, consistent with Secretary Lew’s promise that “women will be a prominent part” of our future currency.
But Eleanor Roosevelt deserves to be honored first because no other American woman has had such an enormous positive impact on people’s lives, both at home and around the world.
During a public service career that spanned more than 40 years, including 12 as our most active and influential First Lady, she fought for virtually every one of the social issues that mattered in her time, and still matter today. And she did it in the face of constant, scathing attacks from those who disdained her gender every bit as much as they opposed her causes.
A catalog of her accomplishments would take pages, but here are two that encapsulate the devotion and, yes, genius she brought to major issues.
During World War II, millions of men left their jobs to serve in uniform. To keep the economy running — and especially to produce the guns, tanks, ships and planes to win the war — women replaced them in the nation’s factories. “Rosie the Riveter” was the bright, confident symbol of this tectonic shift.
There was a problem, though: Someone had to look after their children while they worked — Rosie needed day care. That seems obvious now. But back then when stay-at-home moms were assumed to be the norm, no one, not even President Franklin Roosevelt, could see it.
Eleanor did. Even though she was already fighting for a host of other causes — like demanding fair treatment for African-Americans in uniform — she campaigned relentlessly for child care. At first, the resistance was shockingly stubborn. Finally one company, Kaiser, saw the logic of her case and opened a fully equipped child-care center at its shipyard in Washington State. Productivity immediately soared. After that everyone got it, and similar centers sprang up across the nation, followed by similar increases in output.
Eleanor had not only made a major contribution to the war effort, she had championed a concept that never existed before, accessible child care for working women. It is still not fully realized today, but thanks to her, millions of lives over the past seven decades have been made measurably better.
After WWII, Eleanor undertook many public service roles, the most historic of which was serving as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations and helping to write the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
At first, the assignment looked like Mission Impossible. The very idea of declaring that all people share certain basic rights was alien to many world leaders, especially the totalitarians. And Eleanor herself was dismissed as just a famous, well-meaning woman.
How they underestimated her! Armed not only with her passion on the issue, but her decades of experience in sharp-elbowed politics, she out-argued the skeptics and outmaneuvered the opponents. When the document she crafted was finally adopted by the UN, it was hailed as “a Magna Carta” for human rights.
President Truman called Eleanor Roosevelt the “First Lady of the World.” Quite right. She leads the honor roll of great American women, a fact confirmed in a national poll conducted last summer after Secretary Lew asked for nominees. She richly deserves to be the first woman to grace our nation’s paper currency, and she deserves to be on a new bill all her own.
Box of 20
According to Jazz - z that Beoncle lady of his is some sort of beacon of righteousness. I think what Beatrice has done must be truely
next to what Mother Teresa has done. Well, her good deeds are slipping my mind but I'm sure she has done something good.
Or maybe that Jasper-z guy is just huffin the wrong stuff ?
Nixon or ford --uncirculated key? Guesstimate final sale 1680
I think it will be more, however many they struck. The Mint may keep them on sale for years, like they did the 2014 issues that only sold out recently.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Now Eleanor Roosevelt uncirculated gold coins are consistently sold around $2000. If this one is confirmed as the series key by end of 2017, price will quickly jump to $4500-5000.
So this is 10, 9, 8,...3, 2, 1, depending on confirmation, "as the series key by end of 2017".
Check. Got it. Thanks. Makes sense.
Question - are you holding a bunch of Eleanors?
I certainly hope that I have a bunch of them as a few big dealers in western states and FL do
I 'm convinced. Good luck! Happy New Year!
FS gold coin Sales by 12/25
JQ1 Bess Truman PF (2015) 2,575 2,580 5 Mintage limit 10,000
JQ2 Bess Truman Unc. (2015) 1,801 1,806 5 Mintage limit 10,000
JQ4 Mamie Eisenhower Unc. (2015) 1,897 1,906 9 Mintage limit 10,000
JQ6 Jacqueline Kennedy Unc. (2015) 6,399 6,424 25 Mintage limit 30,000
JQ7 Lady Bird Johnson PF (2015) 2,596 2,603 7 Mintage limit 10,000
JQ8 Lady Bird Johnson Unc. (2015) 1,703 1,717 14 Mintage limit 10,000
16SA Patricia Nixon PF (2016) 2,419 2,435 16 Mintage limit 10,000
16SB Patricia Nixon Unc. (2016) 1,459 1,477 18 Mintage limit 10,000
16SC Betty Ford PF (2016) 2,163 2,179 16 Mintage limit 10,000
16SD Betty Ford Unc. (2016) 1,410 1,437 27 Mintage limit 10,000
16SE Nancy Reagan PF (2016) 3,204 3,230 26 Mintage limit 15,000
16SF Nancy Reagan Unc. (2016) 1,710 1,721 11 Mintage limit 15,000
Please forgive the laziness, but what was the final number for Eleanor Unc? Was 1886 final?
No known dates when any of the remaining ones go off sale. Is that correct? They just pull them w/o notice?
In terms of price, the series key is likely to be the Eleanor proof. Raw uncircs are fetching $1300 to $1600 each on eBay, while proofs (despite their 500 higher mintage) are bringing $2000 and up. Mint sales figures and aftermarket demand show that collectors clearly prefer proof commems, which are generally much more attractive than their uncirculated counterparts.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
I have noticed that. Could have so easily bought a proof...
Do those who follow these think Eleanor will remain key when all is done?
1886 for Eleanor is last known sales, not final mintage. It'll be forever before all the final numbers are known for the last coins in the series.
It used to be the mint would pull them after about one year of availability but more recently the sales are so dismal they'll let em languish for much longer.
The First Lady series is the worst example of the "made to sell commemorative" coins. Many of these women had no business to be on a U.S. commemorative coin when there have been many other FAR MORE DESERVING people and events. Most of these women did little except marry well. A few of them made their husband's challenging lives more difficult. Jane Pierce, Mary Lincoln and Florence Harding fall into that category.
Most of the this series deserves to go to the dust bin of numismatic history. Most of these coins should never have been made. The subject was usually unworthy; the prices were high because of their gold content, which kept small collectors out; and, as others have said, the designs were not great. The only economic future for this series lies with dealers luring in investors because of the low mintages. That game has been played with the "old" commemoratives (1892 to 1954), and look where that market is now.
They just pull them w/o notice. They can pull 2015 fs coins anytime, and they can pull 2016 fs coins anytime in 2017. Still a lot of uncertainties.
Thanks. Keeps it very interesting.
I think so because, compared to most other first ladies, she is well known and popular. A few proofs (including Florence Harding and Lou Hoover) have lower mintages, but these first ladies are much less well known by the public. The Jackie Kennedy and Nancy Reagan coins won't be keys because of their relatively high mintages.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
How did the unc. lou hoover turn out, is it a low mintage?
1936, second lowest so far
Thanks, I am guessing no premium for these at all over melt...
The proof Lou Hoover mintage is showing as 2025, the lowest proof of the series.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Source usmint.com
First Spouse HP5 2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - HOOVER 2,381 04/03/2016
HP5 Lou Hoover PF (2014) {2,025}
Source: Coin Update News news.coinupdate.com/u-s-mint-sales-report-week-ending-december-25-2016/
Not sure which number (if either) is correct, but the final sales figures reported by the Mint are frequently revised downward, sometimes significantly, when actual final net mintages are announced, to reflect returns, inability to fill orders, and other adjustments.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
What he said: there are too many good-looking Modern Gold Coins out there for me to throw any money other than spot or below at this series.
It is sad because the mintages are so low (any other Series with any semblance of beauty would rock) yet the aesthetic desire is so low. They are low mintage gold rounds to me.
The four designs in the "Liberty" subset, with their classic coin obverses, are worth considering.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
