Originally posted by: tincup Just did a check on the Hoover proof... and now 54 left in stock. Perhaps a final mintage around 2385? How does this rate in the mintage hierarchy?
Highest of the 2014's. Eleanor Roosevelt is 2377 and IIRC the other two are lower than Eleanor.
Originally posted by: tincup Just did a check on the Hoover proof... and now 54 left in stock. Perhaps a final mintage around 2385? How does this rate in the mintage hierarchy?
Highest of the 2014's. Eleanor Roosevelt is 2377 and IIRC the other two are lower than Eleanor.
Originally posted by: COCollector Lowest sales-to-date FS gold still available on usmint.com is the uncirculated Lady Bird Johnson (1,475).
The mint will remove Harding coins at any moment, but the lady johnson coins will remain for sale for the next 500 days .
Again, someone bought 4 harding ms70 on bay yesterday, does she/ he know something that we do not know?
At around $900 per coin, the buyer or buyers might just be picking up a low-mintage issue at a reasonable price.
Latest sales figure for the unc. Harding is 1801, with at least 100 more still in stock. If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
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I only have one now, and that's a PCGS M70 FS Coolidge. I'd love to see a final tally under 1900 but I don't know if that will matter all that much. Are there really 40 people per state collecting these?
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Originally posted by: kiyote I only have one now, and that's a PCGS M70 FS Coolidge. I'd love to see a final tally under 1900 but I don't know if that will matter all that much. Are there really 40 people per state collecting these?
I wonder what would happen if just 1 person from each state started looking for an Eleanor Roosevelt. There aren't many for sale anywhere. People have been in search for the lowest minted spouse gold coin for awhile now. Obviously many have run out of money or given up on these. It looks like all of the rest of the 2014's will be higher than the MS Eleanor Roosevelt. The 2013's didn't get pulled to about August of 2015. If that pattern continues the 2015 will not be pulled until 2017. Some of the proofs in 2015 are higher than 2014 proofs so I am guessing the MS coins will be also. The only one lagging is the Johnson MS coin but the MS 2015 coins have sold quite a few more than the 2014 had sold in the January following the year they were issued. That leaves just the 3-2016 coins left. Who knows how that will go. We are as close as we have ever been to finding out.
Originally posted by: OLC It looks like all of the rest of the 2014's will be higher than the MS Eleanor Roosevelt.
For the MS coin that's true, but most or all of the 2014 proofs will have slightly lower mintages than Eleanor, and proofs are where collector demand will be focused in upcoming years. The proof Eleanor is already priced substantially higher than the MS version despite having a 26% higher mintage.
I expect the proof Eleanor to emerge as the highest priced Spouse coin because she is more well known and popular than the other First Spouses of her era.
Originally posted by: NeoclassicalAnalyst 2014 FIRST SPOUSE GOLD COINS latest sale number, is sub-2000 mintage the new normal?
I think one or more of the 2013 uncirculated issues had final mintages under 2,000. The proofs were somewhat higher.
I would guess that the 2015 Spouse coins will have higher final sales than the 2014 ones. The Jackie Kennedy coins are the most popular, but the other recent First Ladies are also more well known than the earlier 20th Century ones.
Originally posted by: FullStrike If somehow the mintages could be limited to under 750, then that would probably more accurately reflect the true Collector base.
So how do we get rid of all the greedy market slabbers / flippers ? ;-)
On average, the market slabbers/flippers are greedily scooping up these coins at the rate of 5 to 10 per week.
Not quite enough volume to crash the Mint's website.
If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
Aren't you forgetting the Hoover unc? Its mintage is currently 1786, which is lower than both the Harding and Coolidge MS coins.
If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
Aren't you forgetting the Hoover unc? Its mintage is currently 1786, which is lower than both the Harding and Coolidge MS coins.
Good question, Robert. Assuming that Harding and Coolidge are removed in the next couple of weeks, Hoover unc. will have a number like 20 coins below. Remember what happened to Garfiled Unc a few years ago? Within two weeks after Mint removed Lucy Hayes unc. after a sudden soldout, more than 200 Garfield unc were sold. So the sale number of Hoover unc will quickly exceed those of Harding and Coolidge under this similar scenario. I do not have a crystal ball, but here is my best guesstimate if Mint pulls the trigger in two to three weeks.
Remember what happened to Garfiled Unc a few years ago? Within two weeks after Mint removed Lucy Hayes unc. after a sudden soldout, more than 200 Garfield unc were sold.
What happened was that after the Lucy Hayes sellout, close to 500 Lucretia Garfield unc coins were ordered (not sold). This was reflected in the following week's sales figure of 2,498. But about 330 of these sales went on backorder and were later cancelled, as the Mint had run out of inventory. The final audited mintage of the Lucretia Garfield unc. was 2,168, or 28 coins less than the Lucy Hayes unc. mintage of 2,196. As far as is known, the entire mintage of both coins sold out.
On the other hand, it appears likely that there was some remaining unsold inventory when the last three 2013 Spouse coins were removed from sale. If the remaining 2014 coins all go off sale on the same date, there will probably again be some unsold inventory remaining, and unless advance notice of a sale ending date is given, there will likely not be an opportunity to repeat what happened with the Lucretia Garfield coin.
If Harding and Coolidge only are removed from sale, it's possible that Hoover will end up with a higher mintage, but my guess is that Harding, Coolidge and Hoover will either be removed on the same date or remain on sale until the entire inventory of all of them is sold.
Isn't the Grace Coolidge Proof the lowest of the Series that is no longer available at the mint?
Yes, and the Florence Harding proof isn't far behind. Both have lower mintages than the Eleanor proof, but Eleanor commands the highest price because she is much more well-known and popular than the other two.
Over time, I think the low-mintage proofs will turn out to have higher demand and higher prices than the low-mintage uncirculated coins. In other series, collector demand appears to favor the proofs by a 3-to-1 or higher ratio over the uncs. Proofs are usually much more attractive than their unc counterparts. The only thing the uncs have going in their favor is their extremely low absolute mintage.
Originally posted by: Overdate Price bump today as expected on Mint site:
First Spouse Unc. $745, Proof $765.
This should really jump start sales!
Some have speculated that these may be pulled when Nixon FS becomes available in a few weeks. If that's the case next weeks Mint numbers will be real close to the final sales numbers. If anyone had even thought about buying any of these they surely would have bought before the price increase today. To tell you the truth I can't believe that at least one of the 2014 uncirculated coins left isn't below 100 on the mints website yet. Is it possible they may not get pulled until closer to the end of the year and sales of the 2014 uncs go higher than some of the 2013 uncs????
I've always maintained that if the Mint had some standard policies and standard procedures in place that would allow collectors to more easily plan their purchases and plan their collections, they would generate more loyalty and more sales than they do by not communicating their intentions as they go (and then actually following a real plan).
They have enough offerings that confuse their remaining customers and dilute their customers' discretionary purchasing power to distraction. At some point, maybe they'll realize that the market is so segmented and at such cross purposes that they will back off. When they have to leave a product offering on sale for more than a year past the date of issue, that should be a "sign".
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Out of sight, out of mind. Look how popular the State Quarter Program was and look at what happened when the series finished. I thinks the spouse gold will become obscure, except maybe the liberty series. The Liberty raws have also dropped in price considerably. I do have the Eleanor gold ms in OGP and 5 out of the 8 Liberties in PCGS MS First Strike MS and PF 70.
There was a lot of dumping of the liberty raws late last year on ebay. The offerings seem to be scarcer now though
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Just did a check on the Hoover proof... and now 54 left in stock. Perhaps a final mintage around 2385? How does this rate in the mintage hierarchy?
Highest of the 2014's. Eleanor Roosevelt is 2377 and IIRC the other two are lower than Eleanor.
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Just did a check on the Hoover proof... and now 54 left in stock. Perhaps a final mintage around 2385? How does this rate in the mintage hierarchy?
Highest of the 2014's. Eleanor Roosevelt is 2377 and IIRC the other two are lower than Eleanor.
The Eleanor proof or unc is 2377?
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Lowest sales-to-date FS gold still available on usmint.com is the uncirculated Lady Bird Johnson (1,475).
The mint will remove Harding coins at any moment, but the lady johnson coins will remain for sale for the next 500 days
Again, someone bought 4 harding ms70 on bay yesterday, does she/ he know something that we do not know?
is handling the sale all wrong. Instead of recycling the non 70 returns forever, they need to melt em and
just move on.
If Gold ever gets to $400 , these puppies will find eagar homes - maybe.
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Lowest sales-to-date FS gold still available on usmint.com is the uncirculated Lady Bird Johnson (1,475).
The mint will remove Harding coins at any moment, but the lady johnson coins will remain for sale for the next 500 days
Again, someone bought 4 harding ms70 on bay yesterday, does she/ he know something that we do not know?
At around $900 per coin, the buyer or buyers might just be picking up a low-mintage issue at a reasonable price.
Latest sales figure for the unc. Harding is 1801, with at least 100 more still in stock. If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
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At around $900 per coin, the buyer or buyers might just be picking up a low-mintage issue at a reasonable price...
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
I agree.
Except, the price is $720/uncirculated and $740/proof.
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At around $900 per coin, the buyer or buyers might just be picking up a low-mintage issue at a reasonable price...
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
Except, the price is $720/uncirculated and $740/proof.
The 2014 proofs, with the exception of Lou Hoover, are gone from the Mint's website.
I think $900 would be a reasonable price to pay for an MS70 example of a low-mintage coin that is available raw for $720.
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I remember the good old days, when "low mintage" meant 8,000. Then 4,000. I thought the 2008W Plats were going to hold the line.
Now, it's 2,000?
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If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
I only have one now, and that's a PCGS M70 FS Coolidge. I'd love to see a final tally under 1900 but I don't know if that will matter all that much. Are there really 40 people per state collecting these?
I wonder what would happen if just 1 person from each state started looking for an Eleanor Roosevelt. There aren't many for sale anywhere. People have been in search for the lowest minted spouse gold coin for awhile now. Obviously many have run out of money or given up on these. It looks like all of the rest of the 2014's will be higher than the MS Eleanor Roosevelt. The 2013's didn't get pulled to about August of 2015. If that pattern continues the 2015 will not be pulled until 2017. Some of the proofs in 2015 are higher than 2014 proofs so I am guessing the MS coins will be also. The only one lagging is the Johnson MS coin but the MS 2015 coins have sold quite a few more than the 2014 had sold in the January following the year they were issued. That leaves just the 3-2016 coins left. Who knows how that will go. We are as close as we have ever been to finding out.
It looks like all of the rest of the 2014's will be higher than the MS Eleanor Roosevelt.
For the MS coin that's true, but most or all of the 2014 proofs will have slightly lower mintages than Eleanor, and proofs are where collector demand will be focused in upcoming years. The proof Eleanor is already priced substantially higher than the MS version despite having a 26% higher mintage.
I expect the proof Eleanor to emerge as the highest priced Spouse coin because she is more well known and popular than the other First Spouses of her era.
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Florence Harding Uncirculated (2014) 1,808
Grace Coolidge Uncirculated (2014) 1,804
Lou Hoover Proof (2014) 2,308
Lou Hoover Uncirculated (2014) 1,786
2014 FIRST SPOUSE GOLD COINS latest sale number, is sub-2000 mintage the new normal?
I think one or more of the 2013 uncirculated issues had final mintages under 2,000. The proofs were somewhat higher.
I would guess that the 2015 Spouse coins will have higher final sales than the 2014 ones. The Jackie Kennedy coins are the most popular, but the other recent First Ladies are also more well known than the earlier 20th Century ones.
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If somehow the mintages could be limited to under 750, then that would probably more accurately
reflect the true Collector base.
So how do we get rid of all the greedy market slabbers / flippers ? ;-)
If somehow the mintages could be limited to under 750, then that would probably more accurately
reflect the true Collector base.
So how do we get rid of all the greedy market slabbers / flippers ? ;-)
On average, the market slabbers/flippers are greedily scooping up these coins at the rate of 5 to 10 per week.
Not quite enough volume to crash the Mint's website.
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If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
Aren't you forgetting the Hoover unc? Its mintage is currently 1786, which is lower than both the Harding and Coolidge MS coins.
If the Mint removes the Florence Harding anytime soon, it will probably remove the other 2014 First Spouse coins at the same time.
I think the Harding is the most distinctive of the 2014 FS coins, mostly because of her hat.
The mint removed the first two 2013 FS coins together last year without any pre-announcement, it then removed the last three 2013 FS coins a couple of months later. So my bet is that they will remove Harding and Coolidge very soon, very likely before the debut of Nixon. Under this scenario, both Harding and Coolidge may emerge as the unc keys (with final sale numbers around 1830).
Aren't you forgetting the Hoover unc? Its mintage is currently 1786, which is lower than both the Harding and Coolidge MS coins.
Good question, Robert. Assuming that Harding and Coolidge are removed in the next couple of weeks, Hoover unc. will have a number like 20 coins below. Remember what happened to Garfiled Unc a few years ago? Within two weeks after Mint removed Lucy Hayes unc. after a sudden soldout, more than 200 Garfield unc were sold. So the sale number of Hoover unc will quickly exceed those of Harding and Coolidge under this similar scenario. I do not have a crystal ball, but here is my best guesstimate if Mint pulls the trigger in two to three weeks.
Harding Unc. 1836
Coolidge Unc. 1833
Hoover Unc. 1860
Hoover Pf 2370
What happened was that after the Lucy Hayes sellout, close to 500 Lucretia Garfield unc coins were ordered (not sold). This was reflected in the following week's sales figure of 2,498. But about 330 of these sales went on backorder and were later cancelled, as the Mint had run out of inventory. The final audited mintage of the Lucretia Garfield unc. was 2,168, or 28 coins less than the Lucy Hayes unc. mintage of 2,196. As far as is known, the entire mintage of both coins sold out.
On the other hand, it appears likely that there was some remaining unsold inventory when the last three 2013 Spouse coins were removed from sale. If the remaining 2014 coins all go off sale on the same date, there will probably again be some unsold inventory remaining, and unless advance notice of a sale ending date is given, there will likely not be an opportunity to repeat what happened with the Lucretia Garfield coin.
If Harding and Coolidge only are removed from sale, it's possible that Hoover will end up with a higher mintage, but my guess is that Harding, Coolidge and Hoover will either be removed on the same date or remain on sale until the entire inventory of all of them is sold.
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Florence Harding Uncirculated (2014) 1,816---------70 below Eleanor Unc.
Grace Coolidge Uncirculated (2014) 1,811 ----------75 below Eleanor Unc.
Lou Hoover Proof (2014) 2,315 --------------60 below Eleanor proof
Lou Hoover Uncirculated (2014) 1,795 --------------91 below Eleanor Unc.
2014 FIRST SPOUSE GOLD COINS latest sale number, count down..........
Florence Harding Uncirculated (2014) 1,816---------70 below Eleanor Unc.
Grace Coolidge Uncirculated (2014) 1,811 ----------75 below Eleanor Unc.
Lou Hoover Proof (2014) 2,315 --------------60 below Eleanor proof
Lou Hoover Uncirculated (2014) 1,795 --------------91 below Eleanor Unc.
Isn't the Grace Coolidge Proof the lowest of the Series that is no longer available at the mint?
Yes, and the Florence Harding proof isn't far behind. Both have lower mintages than the Eleanor proof, but Eleanor commands the highest price because she is much more well-known and popular than the other two.
Over time, I think the low-mintage proofs will turn out to have higher demand and higher prices than the low-mintage uncirculated coins. In other series, collector demand appears to favor the proofs by a 3-to-1 or higher ratio over the uncs. Proofs are usually much more attractive than their unc counterparts. The only thing the uncs have going in their favor is their extremely low absolute mintage.
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Most likely the stragglers will be on the site for years to come, though.
What glorified bullion series will replace the First Spouses? The possibilities are endless.
That's where it all begins...
First Spouse Unc. $745, Proof $765.
This should really jump start sales!
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Price bump today as expected on Mint site:
First Spouse Unc. $745, Proof $765.
This should really jump start sales!
Some have speculated that these may be pulled when Nixon FS becomes available in a few weeks. If that's the case next weeks Mint numbers will be real close to the final sales numbers. If anyone had even thought about buying any of these they surely would have bought before the price increase today. To tell you the truth I can't believe that at least one of the 2014 uncirculated coins left isn't below 100 on the mints website yet. Is it possible they may not get pulled until closer to the end of the year and sales of the 2014 uncs go higher than some of the 2013 uncs????
They have enough offerings that confuse their remaining customers and dilute their customers' discretionary purchasing power to distraction. At some point, maybe they'll realize that the market is so segmented and at such cross purposes that they will back off. When they have to leave a product offering on sale for more than a year past the date of issue, that should be a "sign".
I knew it would happen.
There was a lot of dumping of the liberty raws late last year on ebay. The offerings seem to be scarcer now though
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