My one and only Charlotte coin thus far was a Type 1 gold dollar with a hole that took off the right half of the mintmark, leaving us to wonder if it was really a C or an O. Forum experts mostly concurred that it was indeed a C, as I recall. I forget the date on that coin. 1851, I think. There was a rather fun old thread about it. Someone even made an animated GIF to compare the known mintmark positions.
I have been working on this collection of gold dollars for quite a while now and noticed that as a group the Charlotte gold dollars are some of the poorest coin ever made by the and U. S mint. Even high grade coins are poorly struck, have numerous mintmade planchet flaws, bent or wavy planchets, and below average luster. In the group pictured above the lowest grade belongs to 55-c with a grade of AU53, followed by the 57-c at AU55. Those two coins I acquired from DWN and where the best I could find without spending lot more money for a marginal increase in eye-appeal. If anyone is interested in assembling a collection of Charlotte dollars this is what to expect. They are different and have there own special charm. I enjoyed every minute of it. Special thanks to Doug Winter for all of his help and advice in the assembling of the collection.
I know how hard this set is to complete. I was working on a type I gold dollar set, and I had to dial back my standards on the 1849-C Close Wreath and the 1852-C to EF-45 instead of AU. The prices on the AUs were simply too high, and some them were massively over graded in my opinion. I was finally able to buy a few pieces that come up in the 2014 Summer FUN auction to complete my set.
As for the Type II and III dates, it has been said that these are perhaps the worst made coins that were ever issued by a United States mint. The 1855-C, 1857-C and the 1859-C gold dollars almost never come nice because they were not made nicely. It is interesting to note that the in the late 1850s the Charlotte Mint made gold dollars during the odd numbered years and quater eagles on the even numbered years.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
It took me several tries before all the pictures loaded properly but it was DEFINITELY worth it. What a very cool set. Seeing what a nice set you assembled ... well, I sure hope your family appreciates it!
Your comment about the quality control at the Charolotte mint is definitely accurate. If I had been a mint employee at the time, I would have been embarrassed to admit where I worked.
Don't forget - Charlotte was in the "middle of the woods" back then and I have read that the Philadelphia Mint (which produced all the dies in those days) didn't necessarily send their best dies to Charlotte in the first place.
Also, Charlotte produced a smaller amount of gold coins than Dahlonega - total gold deposits at Charlotte from 1838-1861 were about $5.1 million, while Dahlonega received about $6.1 million. I'd guess that minting coins is like anything else - the more you do it, the better at it you get.
Originally posted by: DaveG Don't forget - Charlotte was in the "middle of the woods" back then and I have read that the Philadelphia Mint (which produced all the dies in those days) didn't necessarily send their best dies to Charlotte in the first place.
Also, Charlotte produced a smaller amount of gold coins than Dahlonega - total gold deposits at Charlotte from 1838-1861 were about $5.1 million, while Dahlonega received about $6.1 million. I'd guess that minting coins is like anything else - the more you do it, the better at it you get.
Dahlonega was even further "in the woods," but some of their Type III gold dollars were MUCH better that the Charlotte pieces. Ditto for the Type II gold dollar. My 1855-D has a better strike on the reverse than most Philadelphia Mint pieces. The Charlotte Mint simply could not make decent large gold dollars.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I continue to work on completion of a Gold Dollar Branch Mint Collection. I have finished the Charlotte and New Orleans dollars and have three Dahlonega pieces, the 54, 56, and 61 remaining as well as three San Francisco pieces, the 56, 59, and 70 still to acquire. The collection is represented in the showcase Sets under Themed Coins-Branch Mint Gold Dollars
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It would be nice with such a matched set to have them displayed side by side in a capitol holder.
But I know the large holders are necessary for a variety of reasons.
With the secure service could the coins be removed for a custom holder and then put back in holders if PCGS can access no damage or any other negative issues have occurred?
Originally posted by: BIGAL2749 As I once told the pretty girl,
Nice Set!
The sad part are those clunky TPG holders!
It would be nice with such a matched set to have them displayed side by side in a capitol holder.
But I know the large holders are necessary for a variety of reasons. With the secure service could the coins be removed for a custom holder and then put back in holders if PCGS can access no damage or any other negative issues have occurred?
My experiences with Capital holders and small, thin coins like gold dollars, was not good. It was virtually impossible to mount the coins in the holes and not have them rattle, even when you ordered custom made holders and used the fitting tool. The TPG holders do a much better job.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
If I remember correctly, the collections at both the Charlotte and Dahlonega museums are displayed in what basically amounts to giant Capital Plastics holders? (Inside the requisite glass cases and alarms, naturally.)
I've visited both of those museums plus San Francisco. Never been to Philly (to the Mint, anyway), or to Carson City (never been to Nevada, period.)
Originally posted by: lordmarcovan If I remember correctly, the collections at both the Charlotte and Dahlonega museums are displayed in what basically amounts to giant Capital Plastics holders? (Inside the requisite glass cases and alarms, naturally.)
I've visited both of those museums plus San Francisco. Never been to Philly (to the Mint, anyway), or to Carson City (never been to Nevada, period.)
Yes, the Dahlonega coins are giant Capital holders. I don't know if the coins rattle or not. When I saw them, the Capital Plastics holder was positioned vertically in the back of a display case. It was really impossible to see how nice the coins were. If I had gone there with the idea of seeing that collection, I would have been disappointed. Fortunately the rest of the items in the Dahlonega Court House Museum were better displayed, and I could enjoy them.
I enjoyed looking at the original mint site, although the building is long gone since it burned in 1877. I took lots of pictures and even got in invite to look in the basement where the stones that make up the original mint foundation can still be seen behind several glass doors.
I am going to see the Charlotte facility this spring.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Looks like a lot of you like the 52-c. It is graded AU58. I think it could be graded MS60, but what do I know. All of the 8 coins are graded between AU53 and AU58, with the 55-c an AU53.
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My one and only Charlotte coin thus far was a Type 1 gold dollar with a hole that took off the right half of the mintmark, leaving us to wonder if it was really a C or an O. Forum experts mostly concurred that it was indeed a C, as I recall. I forget the date on that coin. 1851, I think. There was a rather fun old thread about it. Someone even made an animated GIF to compare the known mintmark positions.
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A very nice set. The 52 and 59 are my favorites.
Very nice set
Awesome Set, Congrats on the accomplishment
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Really enjoyed your summary a few posts above.
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I know how hard this set is to complete. I was working on a type I gold dollar set, and I had to dial back my standards on the 1849-C Close Wreath and the 1852-C to EF-45 instead of AU. The prices on the AUs were simply too high, and some them were massively over graded in my opinion. I was finally able to buy a few pieces that come up in the 2014 Summer FUN auction to complete my set.
As for the Type II and III dates, it has been said that these are perhaps the worst made coins that were ever issued by a United States mint. The 1855-C, 1857-C and the 1859-C gold dollars almost never come nice because they were not made nicely. It is interesting to note that the in the late 1850s the Charlotte Mint made gold dollars during the odd numbered years and quater eagles on the even numbered years.
It took me several tries before all the pictures loaded properly but it was DEFINITELY worth it. What a very cool set. Seeing what a nice set you assembled ... well, I sure hope your family appreciates it!
Your comment about the quality control at the Charolotte mint is definitely accurate. If I had been a mint employee at the time, I would have been embarrassed to admit where I worked.
Also, Charlotte produced a smaller amount of gold coins than Dahlonega - total gold deposits at Charlotte from 1838-1861 were about $5.1 million, while Dahlonega received about $6.1 million. I'd guess that minting coins is like anything else - the more you do it, the better at it you get.
Check out the Southern Gold Society
Don't forget - Charlotte was in the "middle of the woods" back then and I have read that the Philadelphia Mint (which produced all the dies in those days) didn't necessarily send their best dies to Charlotte in the first place.
Also, Charlotte produced a smaller amount of gold coins than Dahlonega - total gold deposits at Charlotte from 1838-1861 were about $5.1 million, while Dahlonega received about $6.1 million. I'd guess that minting coins is like anything else - the more you do it, the better at it you get.
Dahlonega was even further "in the woods," but some of their Type III gold dollars were MUCH better that the Charlotte pieces. Ditto for the Type II gold dollar. My 1855-D has a better strike on the reverse than most Philadelphia Mint pieces. The Charlotte Mint simply could not make decent large gold dollars.
I continue to work on completion of a Gold Dollar Branch Mint Collection. I have finished the Charlotte and New Orleans dollars and have three Dahlonega pieces, the 54, 56, and 61 remaining as well as three San Francisco pieces, the 56, 59, and 70 still to acquire. The collection is represented in the showcase Sets under Themed Coins-Branch Mint Gold Dollars
Overland Trail Collection Showcase
Dahlonega Type Set-2008 PCGS Best Exhibited Set
What a nice collection.
Congratulations!
This in spades!
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Nice Set!
The sad part are those clunky TPG holders!
It would be nice with such a matched set to have them displayed side by side in a capitol holder.
But I know the large holders are necessary for a variety of reasons.
With the secure service could the coins be removed for a custom holder and then put back in holders if PCGS can access no damage or any other negative issues have occurred?
As I once told the pretty girl,
Nice Set!
The sad part are those clunky TPG holders!
It would be nice with such a matched set to have them displayed side by side in a capitol holder.
But I know the large holders are necessary for a variety of reasons.
With the secure service could the coins be removed for a custom holder and then put back in holders if PCGS can access no damage or any other negative issues have occurred?
My experiences with Capital holders and small, thin coins like gold dollars, was not good. It was virtually impossible to mount the coins in the holes and not have them rattle, even when you ordered custom made holders and used the fitting tool. The TPG holders do a much better job.
I've visited both of those museums plus San Francisco. Never been to Philly (to the Mint, anyway), or to Carson City (never been to Nevada, period.)
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If I remember correctly, the collections at both the Charlotte and Dahlonega museums are displayed in what basically amounts to giant Capital Plastics holders? (Inside the requisite glass cases and alarms, naturally.)
I've visited both of those museums plus San Francisco. Never been to Philly (to the Mint, anyway), or to Carson City (never been to Nevada, period.)
Yes, the Dahlonega coins are giant Capital holders. I don't know if the coins rattle or not. When I saw them, the Capital Plastics holder was positioned vertically in the back of a display case. It was really impossible to see how nice the coins were. If I had gone there with the idea of seeing that collection, I would have been disappointed. Fortunately the rest of the items in the Dahlonega Court House Museum were better displayed, and I could enjoy them.
I enjoyed looking at the original mint site, although the building is long gone since it burned in 1877. I took lots of pictures and even got in invite to look in the basement where the stones that make up the original mint foundation can still be seen behind several glass doors.
I am going to see the Charlotte facility this spring.
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Dahlonega Type Set-2008 PCGS Best Exhibited Set