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Technically Darkside exonumia, but I thought you might like this newp because it is colonial-era AND

lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
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These French jetons are often surprisingly inexpensive. One sees some spectacular ones from the 19th century, but I had to have this early 18th century example when I saw the toning and the reasonably modest price. Not too long ago, I briefly had another like it with the same Louis XV bust but a different reverse. If memory serves, they're roughly half-dollar sized. Big silver with nice toning and some history to it? Why not! With some negotiation, I got the price down below 150 bucks. Compare that with what even a common Walking Liberty half with similar toning would go for, and the fact that this piece is 275 years old. I think you can see why it was a no-brainer for me.



The icing on the cake here is that in addition to the wonderful toning, this one is already in a PCGS slab with a TrueView. I wouldn't have known they graded these. I’ve seen them in NGC plastic, but not PCGS.



FRANCE. Louis XV. Circa 1740 (ND) AR Jeton. PCGS AU58. Feuardent 13203.



I have not yet done my homework on the allegorical significance of that cloud chariot, but I will. Love the design.



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Downside? I can't really see any, except it just missed being Mint State. And it's undated. But collecting ancient and medieval coins, ones soon gets over the need to see an actual date on the coin, if it's datable within a narrow enough timeframe, which this apparently is.


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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it a lot. image
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool, congrats!
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I DO like that! image
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Outstanding piece, thanks for posting

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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Very nice image
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  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535 ✭
    Nice piece!

    We have a guy in my coin club who collects 18th century French jetons - they're quite well produced and attractive.

    I think they're much nicer to look at than the contemporary French coins.

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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I may have been tempted by that one recently.
    Congrats on a great looking piece.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think they're much nicer to look at than the contemporary French coins. >>



    Indeed they are. One can often say this when comparing exonumia (medals, jetons, SC$) to the coins produced for commerce in any given era.

    I wonder why this is? Perhaps the designs of the medals, jetons, etc weren't feasible for mass production?

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow that looks fantastic. I especially like how the reverse toning compliments the design.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice big silver.... one reason I enjoy darkside coins.... big silver at reasonable prices...I have mainly old German silver...Cheers, RickO
  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have not yet done my homework on the allegorical significance of that cloud chariot, but I will. Love the design.

    I wonder if those are meant to be clouds or just clouds of dust?
  • giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lord M, PCGS tells me that this PCGS #545000 is a pop 1 in all grades -- yours! I can't think of a nicer one to represent the design. Congratulations on an übercool snag.

    Best Regards,

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  • ChristosChristos Posts: 950 ✭
    Lord M very cool and a serious looker. Could this have been seen in the colonies given it's heritage?
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    George- thanks! I hadn't looked at pops. Wouldn't have expected too many graded, in any event, but pop 1 in ALL grades is neat!

    Dean- the Bourbon French monarchy being as highfalutin' as they were, I think it's a safe bet that this is a celestial sort of cloud chariot along mythological lines, rather than some farm wife whipping her nags down a dusty road to the town market! image

    But now that you mention it, it does kinda look a bit like dust.

    Christos- given its age, it COULD have been in the colonies. Even COULD have been brought home by Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson.

    But those are rather long odds. It might not have crossed the Atlantic until the 21st century.

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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    DANG DARK side,,image
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a cool coin on a numbe of different levels image
  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O.K. you got me curious.
    A quick search yields many references to Aurora or "the dawn" riding a chariot above the clouds, holding a candle to light the way.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>O.K. you got me curious.
    A quick search yields many references to Aurora or "the dawn" riding a chariot above the clouds, holding a candle to light the way. >>



    Now THAT makes sense! image

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pretty coin.
    Larry

  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    "Chariots of Fire"


    I love it.....

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Exceptional piece! But I have to say, I bet they had some doubts with the design, no-one rides a Chariot, especially a lady, like depicted on this coin, no way! Unless, of course, she's wearing a seat belt. image


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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really nice Rob...thanks for sharing! It is a really attractive piece and a great historical item.

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  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin. Can't believe it was so cheap!
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, it's in hand now and looks great.



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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great LordM.... super when a coin is received and is as expected... sometimes this

    is not the case. You got a real nice one there... Cheers, RickO
  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful!
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way cool piece



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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hopefully will see it at the library later in the month! image

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  • unclebobunclebob Posts: 433 ✭✭✭
    Wow



    I'm hooked!



    Any books cataloging this subject
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: unclebob

    Wow



    I'm hooked!



    Any books cataloging this subject




    Well, there is that Feuardent reference, which I don't have (and which is probably in French?)

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a cool way to spend $150!
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ricko

    Great LordM.... super when a coin is received and is as expected... sometimes this

    is not the case. You got a real nice one there... Cheers, RickO




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    (This post constitutes a thread resurrection, but hopefully nobody will mind this one coming out into the sunlight again briefly.)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great to see that coin again LordM....it is one I would have purchased had I seen it at a coin show... Cheers, RickO
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's an attractive coin!
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
    That's a cool coin on a number of different levels image


    Almost a year later and my opinion remains the same. (except I can correct a typo ) image
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love it!

    Tom

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not a fan of Darkside coinage, but this one does have STYLE!
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  • HandHHandH Posts: 438 ✭✭✭
    Great jeton, lm. Really cool piece.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice eye candy LordM!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It proves that prior to the invention of the bicycle it was also cool to ride a chariot with no hands image
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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very attractive piece.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Broadstruck

    It proves that prior to the invention of the bicycle it was also cool to ride a chariot with no hands image




    LOL.



    Well, in Aurora's defense, it does sort of appear that she's sitting down, at least. image

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