Technically Darkside exonumia, but I thought you might like this newp because it is colonial-era AND

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lordmarcovan
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These French jetons are often surprisingly inexpensive. One sees some spectacular ones from the 19th century, but I had to have this early 18th century example when I saw the toning and the reasonably modest price. Not too long ago, I briefly had another like it with the same Louis XV bust but a different reverse. If memory serves, they're roughly half-dollar sized. Big silver with nice toning and some history to it? Why not! With some negotiation, I got the price down below 150 bucks. Compare that with what even a common Walking Liberty half with similar toning would go for, and the fact that this piece is 275 years old. I think you can see why it was a no-brainer for me.



The icing on the cake here is that in addition to the wonderful toning, this one is already in a PCGS slab with a TrueView. I wouldn't have known they graded these. I’ve seen them in NGC plastic, but not PCGS.



FRANCE. Louis XV. Circa 1740 (ND) AR Jeton. PCGS AU58. Feuardent 13203.



I have not yet done my homework on the allegorical significance of that cloud chariot, but I will. Love the design.



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Downside? I can't really see any, except it just missed being Mint State. And it's undated. But collecting ancient and medieval coins, ones soon gets over the need to see an actual date on the coin, if it's datable within a narrow enough timeframe, which this apparently is.

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  • MidLifeCrisis
    MidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like it a lot. image
  • keyman64
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    Cool, congrats!
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  • SkyMan
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    I DO like that! image
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  • Boosibri
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    Outstanding piece, thanks for posting

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  • jcping
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    Very nice image
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  • DaveG
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    Nice piece!

    We have a guy in my coin club who collects 18th century French jetons - they're quite well produced and attractive.

    I think they're much nicer to look at than the contemporary French coins.

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  • Flatwoods
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    I think I may have been tempted by that one recently.
    Congrats on a great looking piece.
  • lordmarcovan
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    << <i>I think they're much nicer to look at than the contemporary French coins. >>



    Indeed they are. One can often say this when comparing exonumia (medals, jetons, SC$) to the coins produced for commerce in any given era.

    I wonder why this is? Perhaps the designs of the medals, jetons, etc weren't feasible for mass production?

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  • SeattleSlammer
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    Wow that looks fantastic. I especially like how the reverse toning compliments the design.
  • ricko
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    Nice big silver.... one reason I enjoy darkside coins.... big silver at reasonable prices...I have mainly old German silver...Cheers, RickO
  • Flatwoods
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    I have not yet done my homework on the allegorical significance of that cloud chariot, but I will. Love the design.

    I wonder if those are meant to be clouds or just clouds of dust?
  • giorgio11
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    Lord M, PCGS tells me that this PCGS #545000 is a pop 1 in all grades -- yours! I can't think of a nicer one to represent the design. Congratulations on an übercool snag.

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  • Christos
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    Lord M very cool and a serious looker. Could this have been seen in the colonies given it's heritage?
  • lordmarcovan
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    George- thanks! I hadn't looked at pops. Wouldn't have expected too many graded, in any event, but pop 1 in ALL grades is neat!

    Dean- the Bourbon French monarchy being as highfalutin' as they were, I think it's a safe bet that this is a celestial sort of cloud chariot along mythological lines, rather than some farm wife whipping her nags down a dusty road to the town market! image

    But now that you mention it, it does kinda look a bit like dust.

    Christos- given its age, it COULD have been in the colonies. Even COULD have been brought home by Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson.

    But those are rather long odds. It might not have crossed the Atlantic until the 21st century.

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  • DUIGUY
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    DANG DARK side,,image
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  • TopographicOceans
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    That's a cool coin on a numbe of different levels image
  • Flatwoods
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    O.K. you got me curious.
    A quick search yields many references to Aurora or "the dawn" riding a chariot above the clouds, holding a candle to light the way.
  • lordmarcovan
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    << <i>O.K. you got me curious.
    A quick search yields many references to Aurora or "the dawn" riding a chariot above the clouds, holding a candle to light the way. >>



    Now THAT makes sense! image

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  • ldhair
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    Pretty coin.
    Larry

  • CoinZip
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    "Chariots of Fire"


    I love it.....

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  • leothelyon
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    Exceptional piece! But I have to say, I bet they had some doubts with the design, no-one rides a Chariot, especially a lady, like depicted on this coin, no way! Unless, of course, she's wearing a seat belt. image


    Leo

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  • ElKevvo
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    Really nice Rob...thanks for sharing! It is a really attractive piece and a great historical item.

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  • MonsterCoinz
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    Beautiful coin. Can't believe it was so cheap!
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  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well, it's in hand now and looks great.



    Atlas Numismatics has me as a happy customer, and were a class act all the way.

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  • ricko
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    Great LordM.... super when a coin is received and is as expected... sometimes this

    is not the case. You got a real nice one there... Cheers, RickO
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    Beautiful!
  • Justacommeman
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    Way cool piece



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    Hopefully will see it at the library later in the month! image

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  • unclebob
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    Wow



    I'm hooked!



    Any books cataloging this subject
  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: unclebob

    Wow



    I'm hooked!



    Any books cataloging this subject




    Well, there is that Feuardent reference, which I don't have (and which is probably in French?)

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  • messydesk
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    What a cool way to spend $150!
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  • lordmarcovan
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    Originally posted by: ricko

    Great LordM.... super when a coin is received and is as expected... sometimes this

    is not the case. You got a real nice one there... Cheers, RickO




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    (This post constitutes a thread resurrection, but hopefully nobody will mind this one coming out into the sunlight again briefly.)

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  • ricko
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    Great to see that coin again LordM....it is one I would have purchased had I seen it at a coin show... Cheers, RickO
  • SkyMan
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    That's an attractive coin!
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  • TopographicOceans
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    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
    That's a cool coin on a number of different levels image


    Almost a year later and my opinion remains the same. (except I can correct a typo ) image
  • TPRC
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    Love it!

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  • oih82w8
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    I am not a fan of Darkside coinage, but this one does have STYLE!
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  • HandH
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    Great jeton, lm. Really cool piece.

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  • NumisOxide
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    Nice eye candy LordM!
  • Broadstruck
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    It proves that prior to the invention of the bicycle it was also cool to ride a chariot with no hands image
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  • mannie gray
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    Very attractive piece.
  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Broadstruck

    It proves that prior to the invention of the bicycle it was also cool to ride a chariot with no hands image




    LOL.



    Well, in Aurora's defense, it does sort of appear that she's sitting down, at least. image

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