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1870-CC Quarter on Ebay.

1870-cc


Not awful but screams fake to me. I flagged it.
I have plans....sometimes

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dentils between 1 and 2 on the obverse are not indicative of being made in Carson.

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a pretty good fake, if it is indeed fake. I'm not qualified to say.
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    never buy expensive raw coins on eBay
  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1870-CC quarter??? I'd be highly skeptical of a seller with 9 Feedback whose prior coin sales consisted of two Morgans and an Australian bullion coin.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,082 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1870-CC quarter??? I'd be highly skeptical of a seller with 9 Feedback whose prior coin sales consisted of two Morgans and an Australian bullion coin. >>



    Especially when one of those feedbacks is for a stolen iPhone.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's probably a stolen photo, or else it's a stolen coin, and you'll never receive anything either way. Anyone want to ask the seller if you can pay for the coin in person and pick it up in person?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am more leery of the seller than the coin... and it could be that the picture is not the coin you would receive... I would stay away from this one. Cheers, RickO
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No way. 1870-CC quarters simply don't come that nice.
  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not an expert on this series but the reverse looks fake to me.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea why anyone would bid $8,000 on a raw coin like this that could be faked. I am no expert when it comes to Carson City coins, but the surfaces look odd on this piece. At best they have been cleaned. At the worst this is the product of false dies.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unbelievable
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin actually looks real to me. Those ugly surfaces are normal on the 1870-73cc quarters. The mint mark style is correct. I cannot tell if it has the diagnostic die polish line that is hidden somewhere on the reverse of genuine 1870-cc quarters. Of course, none of this matters, because you'd have to be out of your mind to bid on this auction.



  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $8K would probably be an ok price if the coin is real and you get it delivered to you....lol. I'd lean towards the "real" side but have doubts on whether you'd actually get it. Most fakes don't even have the right mint mark size and spacing.

    I agree with Bill Jones that it looks at least cleaned....closer to scrubbed. I've only owned one of these in my life and it was a hacked up VG details coin with a net value of FR-AG. Sold it for around $175 back in the 1970's. Won it out of a Coin World mail bid sale for around $125.
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    That date is very hard to come by. One major dealer in CC coins has one in NGC XF45 and another doesn't have any. It's hard to believe this guy has one.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to book I have the estimated number of survivors is 39 to 49. "Coin Facts" says there are 300, but that sounds high to me, given the fact you never see them.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So how is this raw $8000 coin still listed?

    Edit to add....I just realized it was an auction!
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No way there are 300 authentic 1870-cc quarters out there, IMHO, unless you count the ones that are buried in the ground somewhere. I own a VF30 with a mutilated reverse, and it's not getting replaced any time soon.

  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With only 9 feedback ratings and only 6 of them as a seller, the eBay member "fraida6" won't see a cent of whatever the final price is, until the item is delivered. And anyone foolish enough to gamble $8K on a raw eBay offering had better know their way around the logistics of authenticating a coin like an 1870-CC quarter.

    Maybe there is a dealer member of the forum near enough to Frankfort, Illinois to make an in person examination on a commission basis ?

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bogus for sure. the reverse does not even look good. its hard to believe all that money and bidders on something like that image
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The alleged winning bidder went to $9,100 after having placed an initial bid of $1,650. I smell a shill.

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
    http://www.american-legacy-coins.com

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>According to book I have the estimated number of survivors is 39 to 49. "Coin Facts" says there are 300, but that sounds high to me, given the fact you never see them. >>



    Both estimates are way off.

    It's in the 75-150 range. And I'd probably say the 100-125 is more likely. Most are problematic which makes nice ones in any grade quite in demand. Wouldn't be surprised if there were 20 of these in one owner's possession. They've been hoarded ever since I was collecting seated quarters. If they can hoard 1870-cc halves, why not the quarters? There are relatively few left to be discovered. Counting fakes, I'd buy the 300 number.

    The winning bidder was probably a shill. But the surprising part is that a bidder with 22,000+ feed backs was willing to pay $7900 for it. Must have been a dealer who knew what it was (or should be) and felt comfortable with Paypal....or just a knight in shining armor who ran the price up out of reach of those who could get hurt? Only 4 bidders were on this coin....not very many when you think about it.
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold

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