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Puttied? Or not?

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    My opinion is that professional graders at PCGS graded it, and professional graders at CAC approved it.

    BUT - looking at the large pictures I see something what looks like residue in the crevices of the letters (A, M and R) and some denticles on the obverse.
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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks funky to me but I defer to PCGS and CAC who have seen the coin in hand.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While it could have turned in the holder, after PCGS graded it, after CAC approved it, it does not jump out at me as one that has. Recommend in hand evaluation (as always).
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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,374 ✭✭✭✭
    i don't even see the area of concern....looks fine to me

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 36,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen this "look" on many gold coins, and I don't think that it is putty. It could be a slight rub or some toning in the fields, but it does not look like a repair from the photos.

    Of course the only way to be sure is to see the coin in person.

    When I look at the whole slab photo, I see what you mean, but the close-up pictures do not indicate putty to me. Perhaps the angle of the whole slab pictures make the coin look duller than it is.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not look like putty.... at least from those pictures... Cheers, RickO
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Puttied? Or not? >>

    EurekaGold, In reply to your above quoted post, I do see remnants of some foreign substance which appears dark in the following photo, and light colored in the corresponding slab photos within the protected areas of the letters and in some of the rim denticles.

    Whether putty, shellac or dirt -- it is a foreign substance. I note that this coin was not graded with the PCGS Secure "sniffer" technology, which perhaps would have detected this substance. Since this coin was graded MS-63 by PCGS this material should not be dirt from circulation.

    There also appear to be some spots on the coin depicted best in the slab photos which may indicate that the coin has previously been conserved.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't think it's been puttied.Has there been a device invented to allow TPG to detect materials like putty on surfaces of coins?
    Would a putty doctor put putty around the periphery?

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i am not sure it's putty, but it looks like a problem coin to me.
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    The top triangle of every A is filled in with something.
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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It does appear to have something in the letters. Just a little crusty perhaps. image
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i guess its alright (fwiw)
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kosher. Nice, and original. In-hand is the key . . . . image

    Edited to add: Stuart, you are 180 degrees off on the conservation issue. While the picture color is amped. the little copper deposits on the obverse show the coin has not had surface loss.

    In-hand is the key . . . . image
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    USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Maybe it's just me, but those photos make it hard to get a good read on the surface condition. Similar to a glamor shot from the 80's image
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not that I see
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ColonelJessup, I of course agree that viewing the coin in hand is the key, and that grading from images is a distant second that's sometimes the only option if you can't physically see the coin, or have a trusted expert view it in hand as your representative.

    Having agreed on that, with reference to the following 2 HA slab images, don't you suspect that something is not kosher with this coin considering the spots and the light colored residue within the protected areas of the letters and in some of the rim denticles?

    There also appears to be muted or subdued luster in some of the unprotected areas of both obverse and reverse fields that coincides with some of the referenced spotting.

    HA description from previous sale during Jan 2010 FUN Auction : "Magnification brings out some wispy handling marks that limit the grade. Above average overall eye appeal."

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would rather not comment this coin which is currently up for auction

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    ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭
    If it's puttied, they made no attempt to hide the hit on Liberty's chin. That said, the all-over haze is distracting. It doesn't surprise me when coins like this get dipped. Maybe the aformentioned hit, the hairlines mentioned in the prior auction description and the copper spots were all together considered grade limiting, thus saving this coin from the conservator. But this is of course just idle speculation.

    An 148 year old coin is entitled to some gunk in the crevices, MS or not, so that wasn't a good argument.
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lost interest when that zit under the chin showed up.

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    KoveKove Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭✭
    I see a cloudy/milky look to the fields on both sides which would cause me to look closely at the coin in-hand. Could be okay, might not be.

    Based on the milky look to the fields, I would not bid on the coin if I couldn't see it in-hand.
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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    could it have been worked previously, then poorly unworked?

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 24,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There appears to be a halo of really clean fields around all of the lettering that is disproportionately cleaner than the rest of the coin, and which doesn't jive with the dirt stuck in the letters.

    Having learned my lesson about not being critical enough a few times, I'd step away from this coin.
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