2015 Topps Heritage

Unfortunately Walt, you are probably right. There's what I hope is the right thing to do, and then there is what Topps does.....

Three days away and not the usually hype. We must be getting old.

Heritage is 15 years in, I jumped in 10 years ago, hard to believe I've been collecting Heritage for a decade.. No sense in stopping now.

Release date is set for March 4th!

I just looked at the autograph checklist again and felt sick....oh well. I need some of this now. I really think this is the year I pull a triple autograph. Anyone
notice that Jim Palmer isn't on the auto checklist?

In other news, long time heritage signer Minnie Minoso passed away today. He is the 17th player in the original 2001 autograph checklist to pass away.

W

Real One Autographs Set Checklist

48 cards

PARALLEL CARDS: Special Edition Red Ink #/66


ROA-AG Aubrey Gatewood - California Angels
ROA-AK Al Kaline - Detroit Tigers
ROA-AM Art Mahaffey - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-AP Albie Pearson - California Angels
ROA-AS Aaron Sanchez - Toronto Blue Jays
ROA-AST Al Stanek - San Francisco Giants
ROA-BF Bob Friend - New York Yankees
ROA-BH Bryce Harper - Washington Nationals
ROA-BR Bobby Richardson - New York Yankees
ROA-BRO Brooks Robinson - Baltimore Orioles
ROA-BS Bob Sadowski - Boston Red Sox
ROA-BW Bill Wakefield - New York Mets
ROA-CCC Choo Choo Coleman - New York Mets
ROA-CS Chuck Schilling - Boston Red Sox
ROA-CW Carl Warwick - Baltimore Orioles
ROA-DB Dellin Betances - New York Yankees
ROA-DS Dick Stigman - Boston Red Sox
ROA-EB Ernie Bowman - New York Mets
ROA-EBR Ernie Broglio - Chicago Cubs
ROA-FC Frank Carpin - Pittsburgh Pirates
ROA-FK Frank Kreutzer - Washington Senators
ROA-FM Frank Malzone - California Angels
ROA-GB Greg Bollo - Chicago White Sox
ROA-GK Gary Kroll - Houston Astros


ROA-GR Gordon Richardson - New York Mets
ROA-JAC Jack Cullen - New York Yankees
ROA-JB Javier Baez - Chicago Cubs
ROA-JC Joe Christopher - Boston Red Sox
ROA-JD Jim Dickson - Kansas City Athletics
ROA-JG Joe Gaines - Houston Astros
ROA-JGE Jim Gentile - Houston Astros
ROA-JH John Herrnstein - Philadelphia Phillies
ROA-JM Juan Marichal - San Francisco Giants
ROA-KH Ken Hamlin - Washington Senators
ROA-LB Lou Brock - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-MB Mike Brumley - Washington Senators
ROA-MK Marty Keough - Cincinnati Reds
ROA-MR Mariano Rivera - New York Yankees
ROA-OC Orlando Cepeda - San Francisco Giants
ROA-PN Phil Niekro - Milwaukee Braves
ROA-RC Roger Craig - Philadelphia Phillies
ROA-RCA Rusney Castillo - Boston Red Sox
ROA-RH Ray Herbert - Philadelphia Phillies
ROA-RN Ron Nischwitz - Detroit Tigers
ROA-SC Steve Carlton - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-SK Sandy Koufax - Los Angeles Dodgers
ROA-SM Shelby Miller - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-TS Tracy Stallard - St. Louis Cardinals.

I'd been dragging my feet, but finally went to D&A yesterday to preorder 4 boxes, and they're no longer available.

I'm wondering if that's a blessing in disguise now.

Heritage will get real hot over the next week. This isn't the best time to try to get a good price. Unfortunately topps knows this. If you can wait a few weeks
the price should be better, but then again what fun is that? Wednesday can't get here fast enough.

So what is everyone collecting? Master set? Chrome? Grapes (if they exist). I will be looking to pick up autographs, black chrome and rarer Ryan Howard.

It will be good to make some trades. Has Jim Parker and Geordie stopped by yet?

W

i will pick up a box, a blaster and some Blisters if they make them this year

then to keep my run going, in the fall i will pick up the Master Set for $140/dlvd like i have done the last two years

You should be able to get one master set from a case if history repeats itself. Occasionally I have fallen a couple cards short of one. However, if you are short and stick around this thread, you will be able to trade with other members to get your set complete.

Craig from Texas

Autos I'm interested in out of the 48:

Real One Autographs Set Checklist

48 cards

PARALLEL CARDS: Special Edition Red Ink #/66


ROA-AK Al Kaline - Detroit Tigers
ROA-BH Bryce Harper - Washington Nationals
ROA-BR Bobby Richardson - New York Yankees
ROA-BRO Brooks Robinson - Baltimore Orioles
ROA-DB Dellin Betances - New York Yankees
ROA-JM Juan Marichal - San Francisco Giants
ROA-LB Lou Brock - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-MR Mariano Rivera - New York Yankees
ROA-OC Orlando Cepeda - San Francisco Giants
ROA-PN Phil Niekro - Milwaukee Braves
ROA-SC Steve Carlton - St. Louis Cardinals
ROA-SK Sandy Koufax - Los Angeles Dodgers

I'm going for a master set & Red Sox items.
I remember when you were very active Geordie. I assume Walt & Craig still are?
I got a decent presell price from BigT $705 delivered

I have done the calculations, and it is very clear through several approaches these conclusions:

hobby packs ~840-880k ~ 3000 hobby cases = 36000 boxes

total packs ~2.3 million.

I can give some insight as to how these are calc'd. but it is consistent based on stated hobby wrapper odds and stated checklist.

all other serial #d hobby odds/checklists match up to 860kpacks:
triple autos (#/5 x 5 subjects X 1:35000 packs)
gold refractors (#/5 x 100 subjects x 1760 packs)
nickel relics ( #/15 x 20 x 2940)
dime relics ( #/10 x 15 x 5875 )
quarter relics (#/5 x 10 x 17515)
half dollar relics (#/1 x 5 x 168100)

the checklist only states there are 50 mint cards....they don't tell you who is with what coin, but the numbers all add up perfectly based on my projections above.

The numbers also indicate two interesting ideas:
- there are actually 10 ROA dual autos #/25 (not as stated 7 on checklist)
- there are actually 5 dual CC auto relics #/10 (not as stated 2 on checklist).

this would mean they found 3 pairings of players to sign additional cards. I would be surprised if someone new is on the dual auto list - its much more likely to me that they had 3-4 players together at same time to sign and they decided to mix/match the combinations of dual autos. something i will watch out for as the hits get posted.

My prediction:
Dual CC auto relics will come in these flavors:
PhilNiekro / Justin Teheran - checklisted
Aaron / Freeman - checklisted
Niekro / Freddie Freeman - added by parkerj
Aaron / Teheran - added by parkerj
Aaron / Niekro - added by parkerj

these same 3 additional combos will be added to the dual Real one autos, because those 4 players are signing dual real one autos as well.

no retail here today

Hello folks. I am a long time lurker for the Heritage threads the past few years, but have never joined. Obviously, now I have. I have three cases of Heritage on the way and am praying they get here on Wednesday because I took the day off of work. After work today I went to Walmart and Target and still no retail. Last year they at least had rack packs out a couple days before release. After reading some of the posts about the odds, I am getting a bit nervous. In 2012 I bought two cases and hit absolutely zero autographs. The biggest "pull" was a Sandy Koufax quarter card. I swore off Heritage in 2013, but bought a few boxes of 2014 and hit a couple autos and a black border chrome. This is the only new product I have ever bought. I have cases of 1988 and 1989 Topps in the closet that just kinda sit there, rack cases, cello cases, wax cases. Some early 90's Donruss as well. Every now and then I'll open a box during a game and throw them in the big shoebox organizer thingie. Love that junk wax!

Glad to be here on the boards!

Chris H.

I hope so. I couldn't believe that two cases of 2012 Heritage hit absolutely nothing. It almost turned me off to the entire thing.

By the way, there is no reliable way to determine the retail print run, because there are no serial #d cards that are exclusive to retail....unless i missed something.

Otherwise you can't know because we don't know what % of available chrome cards (99,900 total cards) are stuffed into retail vs stuffed into hobby boxes.

These inserts are retail exclusive:

A Legend Retires (Koufax - Walmart only)
A Legend Begins (Ryan - Target only)
1966 Bazooka

Craig from Texas

<< <i>i'm not up to speed on all these new sets these days. is there a mix of real 1966 cards in this heritage set? or are they all current players just using that copied design? >>



Current players in the 1966 Design. They stamp some originals and put them in as Box toppers in Hobby Boxes.

If you buy a case you will probably get about 6 original 1966 cards, lower grade commons seem to be the norm.

I think the seller "megastarent" has cards in hand, as he is showing scans of actual Clubhouse Collection cards, not stock photos. He's from Pennsylvania.

I pulled a Hank Aaron 1960 All star card a few years ago in one of those

Are most of you getting confirmation that your cases were sent? I'm still waiting and hoping the place I ordered from forgot to send me the tracking number. North Texas is supposed to get more freezing rain/sleet tomorrow afternoon and that disrupts everything. I may bide my time tonight and open up a 1986 Topps vending box. I have twenty of them sitting in my "card closet" at the house.

I just stopped by the blowout cards thread and it appears that retail is live at least at target. A guy posted the odds of the 10 dollar hanger packs, single packs and blasters. It appears early on
that retail heritage was VERY overproduced. The pillow isle is safe, there will be plenty for everyone. It just appears that topps took the same number of hits and spread them over thousands
of more packs. That really sucks. Im still exited for tomorrow, but I don't expect to buy a whole lot of this stuff now.

W

No tracking for me - North Texas guy here too. Off to target to check for retail. I'll report back.

<< <i>No tracking for me - North Texas guy here too. Off to target to check for retail. I'll report back. >>





I checked around Fort Worth yesterday after work, but nothing. I didn't see a spot where they would go either. There is already too much Topps Series 1 and other junk taking up space. Lots of hockey boxes as well.

Nothing at the Target at City Place in Dallas. I've always had better luck with Wal Marts having product first in my experience. I pass another Target and Wal Mart on my way home I'll check both.

<< <i>Nothing at the Target at City Place in Dallas. I've always had better luck with Wal Marts having product first in my experience. I pass another Target and Wal Mart on my way home I'll check both. >>



Nothing at Walmart in north Irving (LBJ).