another 1936 buffalo nickel from Great Southern

BUFFNIXX · February 24, 2015 10:53AM

Take a stab a grading this 1936 bufflao nickel from Great Southern. In general their pictures are pretty good

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tradedollarnut · February 24, 2015 11:03AM

Impaired. Why bother with them?

LotsoLuck · February 24, 2015 11:07AM

Unless it has changed in the past few years I would say their pictures are good in the sense that nasty flaws are hidden and they must go through 50 gallons of Mr Dippy a month.

Unknown · February 24, 2015 11:10AM

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lkeigwin · February 24, 2015 12:26PM

The best thing about their auctions is you can see their name & logo in the main image and know to immediately move along without looking further.

Surely they screw up and sell an unimpaired coin now and then. I hope for the OP's sake this is one of them.
Lance.

nwcoast · February 24, 2015 12:32PM

That silvery stuff in the recesses of the obverse is TROUBLE.
Had an Ebay purchase years ago with the same look. Paint stripper wouldn't even take it off!
The coin pictured here won't grade IMO.

Yorkshireman · February 24, 2015 12:33PM

Bought from them twice.
Greatly disappointed both times.
Then they told me I was flat wrong that their "choice BU" was not really only AU.

Got my money back.
Never again!

TopographicOceans · February 24, 2015 12:36PM

They do have an excellent return system.

I bought 5 coins some years ago to try them out. All were problem coins but with great photos.

The returns were very smooth.

DennisH · February 24, 2015 12:39PM

AU-something and problem surfaces.

NumisOxide · February 24, 2015 1:06PM

Def AU

BustHalfBrian · February 24, 2015 3:10PM

<< ... In general their pictures are pretty good

>>

If by pretty good you mean over exposed to hide evidence of cleaning/recoloring, then yes their pictures are pretty good.

I won't tell how to spend your money, but please keep in mind that 95% of the coins GSC sells are problem coins that would never, ever grade at PCGS.

COALPORTER · February 24, 2015 3:34PM

<< They do have an excellent return system.

I bought 5 coins some years ago to try them out. All were problem coins but with great photos.

The returns were very smooth. >>

In other words, it was a total waste of time. BTW, was this 5 at once, or 5 separate trys ?

TopographicOceans · February 24, 2015 4:17PM

Well since you asked I went and looked.
It turns out I bought one of my favorite coins from them - an 1818 Coronet Cent with a die crack. That was in 2005

In 2009 I bought 5 coins in a batch, but after seeing them in hand - they went back. Those were a lot of money so I remember the refund went smoothly.

jdimmick · February 24, 2015 9:26PM

If you been buying raw coins from gsc, your in for rude awakening when and if you submit them,

One of our prior club members used to buy from them and tell me what good deals he was getting on nice coins, Indians, buffalos, early type etc. One day I sent them all in for him to prove a point, every single coin came back impaired.
after that , he basically quit collecting because he had lost piles of $. I tried to tell him prior, but he was stubborned.

BillJones · February 24, 2015 10:17PM

These guys do not have a good reputation. Yes, their photography is truly artful. They make sow's ears look like silk purses, at least to the inexperienced eye. It's not a good sign when the obverse and reverse photos of the same coin don't look like they came from the same coin.

I know people have been rough on you here, but don't get discouraged. They are just trying to help you avoid making mistakes in the future.

BillJones · February 24, 2015 10:30PM

<< If you been buying raw coins from gsc, your in for rude awakening when and if you submit them,

One of our prior club members used to buy from them and tell me what good deals he was getting on nice coins, Indians, buffalos, early type etc. One day I sent them all in for him to prove a point, every single coin came back impaired.
after that , he basically quit collecting because he had lost piles of $. I tried to tell him prior, but he was stubborned. >>

That's too bad. It's shame to lose a collector that way.

I had the same experience at my local club. A guy showed up with a "1796 dollar" that was a Chinese counterfeit. It had the bust of Liberty positioned to the left as it is on the first 1795 Draped Bust variety. He got really PO'd at me when I told him it was a counterfiet.

braddick · February 24, 2015 10:31PM

Some collectors here grade via the photo coupled with who the seller is.

Not saying that is particularly a wrong approach- simply an interesting one.

BillJones · February 24, 2015 10:37PM

<< Some collectors here grade via the photo coupled with who the seller is.

Not saying that is particularly a wrong approach- simply an interesting one. >>

Okay, how many original surface Buffalo nickels have you seen with a bright silvery area on the left and around the portrait and a coppery nose on the right? The silvery color is not natural on a Buffalo nickel.

winky · February 24, 2015 10:46PM

Silver juice will always work on Buff's. Run, Run, Run.

DaveWcoins · February 24, 2015 11:20PM

I am guessing that your goal here is to try and cherry pick a satin finish proof from them here -- correct?

ricko · February 24, 2015 11:28PM

Problem coin, and, as indicated, questionable supplier..... suggest you stay away... RickO

gyocomgd · February 24, 2015 11:44PM

Rather than a numerical grade, I'll grade it like they do in school: D+.
The last 1936 you posted is undoubtedly a proof. This one is an ordinary business strike, with not much to commend it.

TopographicOceans · February 25, 2015 3:06AM

My experience with GSC back in 2009 was a major factor in limiting the value of a raw coin I'll bid on over the Internet to about $400.
Anything beyond that is PCGS, NGC or ANACS and I'm leery about PCI grades.

OldIndianNutKase · February 25, 2015 3:22AM

As most on this thread have said, their photographic abilities are very good. But their enhancement abilities are not very good. The obverse on this coin looks as it was dipped in a caustic chemical solution of some type.

OINK

thebeav · February 25, 2015 4:39AM

Yes, the obverse is certainly not very nice. While the reverse looks pretty, the 'color' line through the center is bothersome.
I guess their trying to make it look like an 'end of the roll' coin.......

Kove · February 25, 2015 6:18AM

As others have said, altered surfaces.

crypto79 · February 25, 2015 7:59AM

<< Rather than a numerical grade, I'll grade it like they do in school: D+.
The last 1936 you posted is undoubtedly a proof. This one is an ordinary business strike, with not much to commend it. >>

There is plenty of doubt about the last one he posted being a proof too, (undoubtedly) is way way to strong of a word. It's people making semi-Ludicrous proclamations based off their own hunches just might be what's emboldening him to continue this pattern of reckless purchasing

thisnamztaken · February 25, 2015 8:10AM

Never purchased from them because of the phoney, surreal, ultra-glossy look their photos have.
Think about it; there's a reason that 95% of their coins are raw.

roadrunner · February 25, 2015 10:25AM

Juiced photos.

Steve · February 25, 2015 10:58AM

Steve -- I will certainly post the photo of the slab. I have a shipment of 8 coins going to pcgs.
all coins were crackouts as follows --
1) 1913 type one buff, the former nnc ms66 piece which we are talking about here.
2) 1915-p former pci ms65, really nice coin
3) 1916-p former ntc ms65, really nice coin
4) 1916-d former pci ms65, reall nice
5) 1916-s former pci ms65, real nice
6) 1935 former nnc ms65
7) 1937 raw coin fully prooflike, one of nicest business strikes I have ever seen for this date.
8) 1985-d lincoln cent which to me looks like an ms69, i really think it could should go 68! worth taking a chance.

Wonder what the turn around time will be for a regular submission, think it is supposed to be in house for 30 days.

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Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage

Edited: Saturday February 07, 2015 at 1:06 PM by BUFFNIXX

OK BUFFNIXX, Here we are on Wednesday, February 25th and during the past few weeks you have posted a number of threads here on the Coin Forum about these eight coins you will be sending off to PCGS for grading. Each has an interesting story and you have gotten a lot of attention here. So my question to you is very simple. Have you ACTUALLY sent the coins to PCGS yet for grading? If yes, have you received confirmation from PCGS that the coins have been received? We really wish you good luck in your attempts to get the coins graded BUT, to my mind, it should be more important to you and your own creditability to ACTUALLY respond to this Coin forum with the results from PCGS. I think a fair timeframe is by April 15th. Steve

Walkerfan · February 25, 2015 11:23AM

GSC=wolf in sheep's clothing. Stay far away!!

Shamika · February 25, 2015 12:46PM

The obverse looks like mercury was rubbed on it.

segoja · February 25, 2015 12:55PM

Pretty Rough Coin

3sidesofsilver · February 25, 2015 1:17PM

Take heed the warnings in this thread. Many threads on this forum have 'tuition paying' lessons in them. Some years back I paid mine by buying a raw 1894 Morgan from GSC. It had been cleaned and never would have been graded by our host. I eventually unloaded it at a loss, but the lessons were learned. Never again would I give them one verdigris encrusted altered surface cent.

Type2 · February 25, 2015 2:14PM

<< Environmental damage / Altered surfaces

Even if BU, it's a $20 coin on the wholesale 'dump' market.

Sure hope you're not counting on these to grade well. >>

AU50 you can do a lot with a photo.

cheezhed · February 25, 2015 8:22PM

Is this coin in hand yet?

If so please post pics then send back ASAP for refund.

BUFFNIXX · February 26, 2015 1:56AM

Just picked up the coin and....
....back it goes.....
thanks for the comments and
especially the advice.
photos looked juiced

crazyhounddog · February 26, 2015 2:42AM

<< Rather than a numerical grade, I'll grade it like they do in school: D+.
The last 1936 you posted is undoubtedly a proof. This one is an ordinary business strike, with not much to commend it. >>

I agee 100%.....

BUFFNIXX · March 12, 2015 10:27PM

got my refund today, they are prompt at issueing refunds. this is the second time i
have returned one of their coins. probably have bought a half dozen or so. there photos are
excellent, so you have to grade the coin yourself. whats wrong with that?

keyman64 · March 12, 2015 10:43PM

I think the rule with Great Southern is to never buy a raw coin from them. I have bought 1 PCGS slabbed coin from them and it worked out just fine.

gyocomgd · March 13, 2015 1:14AM

<< got my refund today, they are prompt at issueing refunds. this is the second time i
have returned one of their coins. probably have bought a half dozen or so. there photos are
excellent, so you have to grade the coin yourself. whats wrong with that? >>

Nothing wrong with it at all. It's a free country. It's interesting to watch the annoyance that occurs when GSC coins are posted. My theories on that:

1. People have had bad experiences there, meaning they've kept the coins, submitted them, and had them come back bagged or in a low grade. They feel cheated. It's mostly on them--the buyer's fault, really--but they can't help but get ruffled when they hear of positive experiences with GSC.

2. GSC may tout coins with too much hyperbole. When they tout a coin as uncirculated, it implies it also is problem-free. That is the game eBay sellers play, and there are inexperienced collectors out there who have to learn this the hard way.

3. With such a high percentage of pieces not being as superb as they appear, the images do a poor job educating collectors as to what "good" really is. There is push-back on that. It goes to show that images only give a broad suggestion of a coin's quality, and that there is no substitute for having it in-hand.

Seriously, people need to ask themselves: If someone is selling a raw coin that, if holdered, would have an MS65 value of $250, and it's selling for $75, why would any sane seller do that? It makes no sense at all. But there will always be buyers who can't resist an opportunity to get a LOT more for a LOT less. And it's not surprising that they sometimes will get even less than they paid for.

I've always been a fan of buying coins raw. The thrill of landing a gem that way is unlike buying a certified piece. But you have to know, you're playing with fire. High risk and more often than not, low reward.

buffnut · March 14, 2015 2:03AM

<< Nothing wrong with it at all. It's a free country. It's interesting to watch the annoyance that occurs when GSC coins are posted. My theories on that:

1. People have had bad experiences there, meaning they've kept the coins, submitted them, and had them come back bagged or in a low grade. They feel cheated. It's mostly on them--the buyer's fault, really--but they can't help but get ruffled when they hear of positive experiences with GSC.

2. GSC may tout coins with too much hyperbole. When they tout a coin as uncirculated, it implies it also is problem-free. That is the game eBay sellers play, and there are inexperienced collectors out there who have to learn this the hard way.

3. With such a high percentage of pieces not being as superb as they appear, the images do a poor job educating collectors as to what "good" really is. There is push-back on that. It goes to show that images only give a broad suggestion of a coin's quality, and that there is no substitute for having it in-hand.

Seriously, people need to ask themselves: If someone is selling a raw coin that, if holdered, would have an MS65 value of $250, and it's selling for $75, why would any sane seller do that? It makes no sense at all. But there will always be buyers who can't resist an opportunity to get a LOT more for a LOT less. And it's not surprising that they sometimes will get even less than they paid for.

I've always been a fan of buying coins raw. The thrill of landing a gem that way is unlike buying a certified piece. But you have to know, you're playing with fire. High risk and more often than not, low reward. >>

Couldn't agree more. I've bought a few raw coins from them in the past. One I sent back, the other 2 graded and are part of my registry set:

BUFFNIXX · March 14, 2015 10:56AM

To Buffnut
two nice buffs you snagged there. Great Southern coins are worth a look because of the outstanding pix.
But it is up to you to grade the coin of course. I will continue to peruse their stuff.

Wabbit2313 · March 14, 2015 12:11PM

The fact that they are now selling a bunch of graded coins would tell me the raw ones are all those that did not grade problem free.

tradedollarnut · March 14, 2015 12:39PM

<< The fact that they are now selling a bunch of graded coins would tell me the raw ones are all those that did not grade problem free. >>

Ding ding ding

Shamika · March 14, 2015 2:03PM

<< Seriously, people need to ask themselves: If someone is selling a raw coin that, if holdered, would have an MS65 value of $250, and it's selling for $75, why would any sane seller do that? It makes no sense at all. But there will always be buyers who can't resist an opportunity to get a LOT more for a LOT less. And it's not surprising that they sometimes will get even less than they paid for.

I've always been a fan of buying coins raw. The thrill of landing a gem that way is unlike buying a certified piece. But you have to know, you're playing with fire. High risk and more often than not, low reward. >>

Very well worded.

Boosibri · March 14, 2015 6:31PM

<< To Buffnut
two nice buffs you snagged there. Great Southern coins are worth a look because of the outstanding pix.
But it is up to you to grade the coin of course. I will continue to peruse their stuff. >>

Have you read the comments to your post? GSC juices their pics.

Why do people love to think that they are smarter than everyone else when buying raw coins on eBay especially from sellers with a long history of selling problem coins. You are going to be disappointed now or later in buying from these guys.

Has it occurred to you that they have probably graded every coin which is worth the shot and you are buying the leftovers?

BUFFNIXX · March 14, 2015 11:47PM

to booslbri
"Has it occurred to you that they have probably graded every coin which is worth the shot and you are buying the leftovers?"
And 2 of their so-called left overs are probably unattributed buffalo proofs? Not worth a look? Hardly so I think.
There photos are great so they are indeed worth a look. Its just up to you to grade the coin and you of course will have
it in hand to make the final decision. People who must rely on others to grade their coins 100 percent of the time drive me nuts.

Boosibri · March 15, 2015 1:00AM

Good luck

Wabbit2313 · March 15, 2015 1:22AM

<< Good luck >>

another 1936 buffalo nickel from Great Southern

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