1813 CBH - Grade opinions sought GRADE POSTED

BustHalfBrian · December 15, 2013 6:54AM

I'm split between two numbers right now. Before I label the 2x2 with some generous grade, I'd like to hear experts' opinions.

Manorcourtman · December 15, 2013 6:56AM

I don't care what it grades, it's awesomely original!! Well done young man!!

indeetlib · December 15, 2013 7:04AM

I'd mark it VF36 and nice!

zap1111 · December 15, 2013 8:11AM

Nice coin. I could be talked into VF35

coin22lover · December 15, 2013 8:12AM

It'll ease into an XF40 holder, no problem

STONE · December 15, 2013 8:20AM

35

The obverse is holding it back

amwldcoin · December 15, 2013 8:27AM

I'm in the nice original 35 camp but wouldn't be surprised if our hosts graded it a 30. They are tough on the Bust Halves.

maibockaddict · December 15, 2013 8:29AM

Yours is better than my PCGS 35 so I think it may 40 with ease

And you only paid 250 for it? Thats less than I paid for this

1813 50/UNI VF35

lkeigwin · December 15, 2013 8:42AM

I'd label it 35.
Lance.

edit to add, Dave, your link doesn't work. Fixed

stman · December 15, 2013 8:45AM

My grade....... I like it!

BustCuds · December 15, 2013 8:48AM

Easily in a VF35 Holder...maybe in a 40 on a "good" day

Nice original pick-up

maibockaddict · December 15, 2013 8:55AM

<< I'd label it 35.
Lance.

edit to add, Dave, your link doesn't work. Fixed >>

Thanks Lance! And my link is now fixed

TennesseeDave · December 15, 2013 9:11AM

30-35 Just the way I like them too

Onedollarnohollar · December 15, 2013 9:35AM

It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall.

jayPem · December 15, 2013 9:41AM

I'm seeing a slightly knocked around 40...if it was mine, I'd want it to go 35.

lkeigwin · December 15, 2013 9:43AM

<< It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall. >>

That's probably just an edge lettering flaw. Pretty common.
Lance.

410a · December 15, 2013 9:43AM

Original VF 30 obverse/ VF 35 reverse depends on what a TPG will put on the sticker probably VF30

Boosibri · December 15, 2013 10:05AM

30/35

BustHalfBrian · December 15, 2013 11:14AM

<< It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall. >>

Lance is right, it's actually the the 'E' in "CENTS" rolled unevenly onto the edge. I've noticed that 1813 is very often found with edge lettering issues, more than any other date in the series, IMO.

Thanks everyone for the input! I was actually split between 40/45, but I usually tack on an extra point for owning it... I mean, doesn't everybody?

BustHalfBrian · December 15, 2013 11:14AM

<< Yours is better than my PCGS 35 so I think it may 40 with ease

And you only paid 250 for it? Thats less than I paid for this

1813 50/UNI VF35 >>

Actually $230.00

AMRC · December 15, 2013 11:22AM

It has a shot at XF. I sure would like to see the results.

tydye · December 15, 2013 12:42PM

I grade it VF35
I value it XF40

AnkurJ · December 15, 2013 1:07PM

XF45

lava · December 15, 2013 1:24PM

I'm in the 30 or 35 camp, as the obverse I think will hold it back, and that assumes the mark by the mouth is natural wear. If it is damaged, then it only grades for its details. I'm guessing it is not damaged by your lack of mention of it.

lava · December 15, 2013 1:45PM

There is an 1813 in pcgs 35 for sale over at JJ Tea Party right now that might be of interest from a comparison standpoint.

BustHalfBrian · December 15, 2013 2:01PM

<< ...I'm guessing it is not damaged by your lack of mention of it. >>

You're right. It's just a little "crud"

lava · December 16, 2013 1:44PM

Not sure if you checked out the price over at JJ, but it is certain to make you feel a lot better.

BustHalfBrian · December 16, 2013 2:03PM

<< Not sure if you checked out the price over at JJ, but it is certain to make you feel a lot better. >>

LOL, I've seen it... and that's why it hasn't sold

But hey, I'm sure they have their reasons - they can price it however they please.

BustHalfBrian · January 14, 2014 1:16AM

Alrighty, here are some new images. The coin will go out to PCGS later this week, where I'd be surprised if it got anything less than XF40.

If anyone would like to change their "guess" before I get the results, now is your chance. Thanks everyone who gave their opinion in this thread's first run.

ModCrewman · January 14, 2014 1:31AM

I was thinking 35; but that's just a WAG.

jughead1893 · January 14, 2014 1:33AM

STONE · January 14, 2014 1:44AM

<< The coin will go out to PCGS later this week, where I'd be surprised if it got anything less than XF40. >>

Honestly, I see too much wear on the obverse to call this a full EF-40 (or better) coin. The reverse is a bit stronger.

I grade coins by asking myself: 'Would I buy that coin in grade XX?'

If it comes back a 40 I would not be a buyer. If it comes back a 35, I would be a buyer. (not that I necessarily do/don't want to buy that coin)

johnny9434 · January 14, 2014 5:28AM

vf 35 and xf40 is a good plus

CoinZip · January 14, 2014 10:55AM

Nice looking coin........

BustHalfBrian · January 15, 2015 5:12AM

Hi all - Just recently got around to submitting this one. Here's the result;

I think this grade is pretty outrageous. The coin is as nice as any 40 I've ever handled. Needless to say, it will be cracked-out immediately upon receipt.

TPRC · January 16, 2015 10:26PM

Well, I'll say my initial reaction was 30, but after scrolling down the comments and looking at the coin again, I changed my opinion to 35. I do think that it is very wholesome and has an almost perfect overall look. I just think the graders see that wing detail weakness and go sub 40, regardless of date or variety.

bigjpst · January 16, 2015 10:49PM

When I looked at the obverse picture my first impression was VF35 the reverse looked XF40. I think 35 would fit, but 30 is a bit harsh.

spacehayduke · January 16, 2015 11:00PM

If the luster is strong it is a 40, if not there at all, probably a 35. It has alot of meat and originality for either grade.

Best, SH

lkeigwin · January 16, 2015 11:02PM

I figured 35 and was ready to accept 40. I don't see it as a 30.

I like undergraded coins in my collection.
Lance.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 16, 2015 11:55PM

His new vanity license plate reads:

2X2 Guy

Because "crack out nut" is more than 8 characters.
On the flip side :

If the grade doesn't fit, you must re-submit.
Sold as a collectible. Slabbed as a treasure.
Ownership adds 10 point spreads.
And that's how bookies make their living.

I'll give you ten to one odds on an upgrade to XF after ten tries.

jayPem · January 17, 2015 12:04AM

Without peeking ahead at the posted grade....I'll say not quite 40

You found a nice one there Brian, the UNI really jumps out ! One of my fave CBH.

edit to say I didn't notice this was an old post...glad to see my grade opinion hasn't changed since the first time around..

sparky64 · January 17, 2015 12:05AM

<< I figured 35 and was ready to accept 40. I don't see it as a 30. >>

Eclectic · January 17, 2015 12:11AM

It should never be an EF-40, but a VF-35 is definitely more appropriate.

roadrunner · January 17, 2015 12:25AM

30 or 35 were the most logical choices. It shouldn't be a 40 with that lower left obverse wear/strike combo. And even VF30's can have significant luster.

Next time in it could just as easily go 35.

puffer · January 17, 2015 12:45AM

Too much wear for an XF. Does anyone have a statistical breakdown of PCGS grades of similar Bust halves at each of the grades?

BustHalfBrian · January 19, 2015 2:25PM

Thanks for the comments, all. I think I'll show the coin to a few Bust dealers at Long Beach and see what they think. Now seeing the coin in the PCGS holder, I feel the same as I did when it was raw; it just has that meaty, XF feel.

Also, I noticed shortly before submitting this coin that it was struck with rotated dies (I didn't notice when I bought it). Does this error add any value or just intrigue? I know errors were a more common occurrence during this era, but I also know that some rotated die errors can carrier hefty premiums on some coins.

Kove · January 19, 2015 5:12PM

Does ownership add points?

Would be nice as a 35.

Treashunt · January 19, 2015 8:24PM

30 is harsh.

But 35 would be fair

still, very nice

7Jaguars · January 19, 2015 10:48PM

Brit standards: good Fine. Just for fun you should look at a Baldwin sales list (www.baldwin.sh) and look at the half crowns.

But I was guessing very fine. So "30" doesn't surprise.

coin22lover · January 19, 2015 10:52PM

I guess the obverse did it in.

maibockaddict · January 20, 2015 1:57AM

<< And even VF30's can have significant luster.

>>

The Overton 4th edition states in the grading section that at the level of VF30 no mint luster remains....

Brian, not sure I would send it back in right away. They may be in a very conservative grading mode right now. Waiting may give you a better shot. Though it is all subjective and you may get different graders anyway....

Problem is when the toning covering all surfaces it makes the wear stand out even if it is not as much as it looks...

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