1813 CBH - Grade opinions sought ***GRADE POSTED***

BustHalfBrian

I'm split between two numbers right now. Before I label the 2x2 with some generous grade, I'd like to hear experts' opinions.

Manorcourtman

I don't care what it grades, it's awesomely original!! Well done young man!!

indeetlib

I'd mark it VF36 and nice!

zap1111

Nice coin. I could be talked into VF35

coin22lover

It'll ease into an XF40 holder, no problem

STONE

35

The obverse is holding it back

amwldcoin

I'm in the nice original 35 camp but wouldn't be surprised if our hosts graded it a 30. They are tough on the Bust Halves.

maibockaddict

Yours is better than my PCGS 35 so I think it may 40 with ease

And you only paid 250 for it? Thats less than I paid for this

1813 50/UNI VF35

lkeigwin

I'd label it 35.
Lance.

edit to add, Dave, your link doesn't work. Fixed

stman

My grade....... I like it!

BustCuds

Easily in a VF35 Holder...maybe in a 40 on a "good" day

Nice original pick-up

maibockaddict

<< <i>I'd label it 35.
Lance.

edit to add, Dave, your link doesn't work. Fixed >>



Thanks Lance! And my link is now fixed

TennesseeDave

30-35 Just the way I like them too

Onedollarnohollar

It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall.

jayPem

I'm seeing a slightly knocked around 40...if it was mine, I'd want it to go 35.

lkeigwin

<< <i>It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall. >>

That's probably just an edge lettering flaw. Pretty common.
Lance.

410a

Original VF 30 obverse/ VF 35 reverse depends on what a TPG will put on the sticker probably VF30

Boosibri

30/35

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>It looks like it has a rim ding at 12 o'clock (obverse) to me. I'd like to see a closeup of that area. If it is severe enough that could keep it out of a graded slab. I give it a 35 overall. >>



Lance is right, it's actually the the 'E' in "CENTS" rolled unevenly onto the edge. I've noticed that 1813 is very often found with edge lettering issues, more than any other date in the series, IMO.

Thanks everyone for the input! I was actually split between 40/45, but I usually tack on an extra point for owning it... I mean, doesn't everybody?

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>Yours is better than my PCGS 35 so I think it may 40 with ease

And you only paid 250 for it? Thats less than I paid for this

1813 50/UNI VF35 >>



Actually $230.00

AMRC

It has a shot at XF. I sure would like to see the results.

tydye

I grade it VF35
I value it XF40

AnkurJ

XF45

lava

I'm in the 30 or 35 camp, as the obverse I think will hold it back, and that assumes the mark by the mouth is natural wear. If it is damaged, then it only grades for its details. I'm guessing it is not damaged by your lack of mention of it.

lava

There is an 1813 in pcgs 35 for sale over at JJ Tea Party right now that might be of interest from a comparison standpoint.

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>...I'm guessing it is not damaged by your lack of mention of it. >>



You're right. It's just a little "crud"

lava

Not sure if you checked out the price over at JJ, but it is certain to make you feel a lot better.

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>Not sure if you checked out the price over at JJ, but it is certain to make you feel a lot better. >>



LOL, I've seen it... and that's why it hasn't sold But hey, I'm sure they have their reasons - they can price it however they please.

BustHalfBrian

Alrighty, here are some new images. The coin will go out to PCGS later this week, where I'd be surprised if it got anything less than XF40.

If anyone would like to change their "guess" before I get the results, now is your chance. Thanks everyone who gave their opinion in this thread's first run.

ModCrewman

I was thinking 35; but that's just a WAG.

jughead1893

40

STONE

<< <i>The coin will go out to PCGS later this week, where I'd be surprised if it got anything less than XF40. >>


Honestly, I see too much wear on the obverse to call this a full EF-40 (or better) coin. The reverse is a bit stronger.

I grade coins by asking myself: 'Would I buy that coin in grade XX?'

If it comes back a 40 I would not be a buyer. If it comes back a 35, I would be a buyer. (not that I necessarily do/don't want to buy that coin)

johnny9434

vf 35 and xf40 is a good plus

CoinZip

Nice looking coin........

BustHalfBrian

Hi all - Just recently got around to submitting this one. Here's the result;



I think this grade is pretty outrageous. The coin is as nice as any 40 I've ever handled. Needless to say, it will be cracked-out immediately upon receipt.

TPRC

Well, I'll say my initial reaction was 30, but after scrolling down the comments and looking at the coin again, I changed my opinion to 35. I do think that it is very wholesome and has an almost perfect overall look. I just think the graders see that wing detail weakness and go sub 40, regardless of date or variety.

bigjpst

When I looked at the obverse picture my first impression was VF35 the reverse looked XF40. I think 35 would fit, but 30 is a bit harsh.

spacehayduke

If the luster is strong it is a 40, if not there at all, probably a 35. It has alot of meat and originality for either grade.

Best, SH

lkeigwin

I figured 35 and was ready to accept 40. I don't see it as a 30.

I like undergraded coins in my collection.
Lance.

TwoSides2aCoin

His new vanity license plate reads:

2X2 Guy

Because "crack out nut" is more than 8 characters.
On the flip side :


If the grade doesn't fit, you must re-submit.
Sold as a collectible. Slabbed as a treasure.
Ownership adds 10 point spreads.
And that's how bookies make their living.

I'll give you ten to one odds on an upgrade to XF after ten tries.

jayPem

Without peeking ahead at the posted grade....I'll say not quite 40 You found a nice one there Brian, the UNI really jumps out ! One of my fave CBH.

edit to say I didn't notice this was an old post...glad to see my grade opinion hasn't changed since the first time around..

sparky64

<< <i>I figured 35 and was ready to accept 40. I don't see it as a 30. >>

Eclectic

It should never be an EF-40, but a VF-35 is definitely more appropriate.

roadrunner

30 or 35 were the most logical choices. It shouldn't be a 40 with that lower left obverse wear/strike combo. And even VF30's can have significant luster.

Next time in it could just as easily go 35.

puffer

Too much wear for an XF. Does anyone have a statistical breakdown of PCGS grades of similar Bust halves at each of the grades?

BustHalfBrian

Thanks for the comments, all. I think I'll show the coin to a few Bust dealers at Long Beach and see what they think. Now seeing the coin in the PCGS holder, I feel the same as I did when it was raw; it just has that meaty, XF feel.

Also, I noticed shortly before submitting this coin that it was struck with rotated dies (I didn't notice when I bought it). Does this error add any value or just intrigue? I know errors were a more common occurrence during this era, but I also know that some rotated die errors can carrier hefty premiums on some coins.

Kove

Does ownership add points?

Would be nice as a 35.

Treashunt

30 is harsh.

But 35 would be fair


still, very nice

7Jaguars

Brit standards: good Fine. Just for fun you should look at a Baldwin sales list (www.baldwin.sh) and look at the half crowns.

But I was guessing very fine. So "30" doesn't surprise.

coin22lover

I guess the obverse did it in.