NGC Black Slab Census - Now 42 documented

astrorat · December 4, 2012 3:03PM

Updated ... thanks!

2ltdjorn · December 4, 2012 3:04PM

Who owns the $10 indian in the holder?

astrorat · December 4, 2012 3:12PM

<< Who owns the $10 indian in the holder? >>

I do not share ownership information on the slabs, even if known by the collecting public. I can tell you it appeared in a 2006 Heritage auction, however.

2ltdjorn · December 4, 2012 3:15PM

understandable, as thats the best way to keep friends : )

RonB · December 4, 2012 3:58PM

I like the fact that NGC brought back the now called "Black Retro" slab for a few select coins.
I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins.

PerryHall · December 4, 2012 4:07PM

Other than the color of the insert, the new so called black retro slabs look nothing like the original first generation slabs. I think NGC is just trying to cash in on the popularity of the originals.

astrorat · December 4, 2012 11:21PM

<< I like the fact that NGC brought back the now called "Black Retro" slab for a few select coins.
I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins. >>

The only thing "retro" is the color of the insert. They could have just as well produces a "futuristic" slab that was purple. The "retro" is just marketing. Oh yeah ... I picked up one for my slab collection ... of course!

BillJones · December 4, 2012 11:47PM

The NGC black slab that I ever saw contained a Type I $20 gold, but I can't recall the date. The coin was really nice (some level of Mint State) and under graded. The asking price was WAY OVER the market for the coin, however, even adding the extra grading points for the under grade. I have no way of knowing if this slab still exists or not.

ianrussell · March 13, 2013 1:25PM

This is the consecutive serial number to another commemorative on the census. This came in from a hoard of Sample Slabs, early Slabs etc.

Listing at GreatCollections

- Ian

Walkerfan · March 13, 2013 1:41PM

<< Gold coins look smashing in the black holders...

There is indeed something special about black and gold.

>>

astrorat · March 13, 2013 2:17PM

Thanks for the new addition, Ian!

Census updated.

johnny9434 · March 14, 2013 5:11AM

the black ones are still neat to see time and time again here. thanks for sharing

LanceNewmanOCC · March 16, 2013 2:01PM

<< [L=Listing at GreatCollections]- Ian >>

in case you made a mistake, this is not the BST
.

astrorat · April 18, 2013 1:05PM

Updated!

jhdfla · April 18, 2013 7:52PM

The 1837 NS Dime in the current Heritage CSNS sale is at ~13K w/ juice presently.

lordmarcovan · April 18, 2013 8:14PM

<< Gold coins look smashing in the black holders... >>

Boy, don't they!

I really like the look of these. A bit better than the current-generation NGC holders, actually.

I prefer PCGS's clear capsules, but if one were to go with a solid color insert, I do like the black quite a bit. I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones?

PerryHall · April 18, 2013 9:15PM

<< I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones? >>

That's the way I remembered it and the black ICG inserts cost extra.

astrorat · April 18, 2013 11:28PM

<< 

<< I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones? >>

That's the way I remembered it and the black ICG inserts cost extra. >>

Yes and yes. The Intercept Shield was an option (at an additional cost) when submitting to ICG.

PerryHall · April 19, 2013 12:26AM

There is another similar thread discussing the census for PCGS Doily slabs. It appears there are about 15 Doily slabs for every Black first generation NGC slab.

Taylor101 · April 19, 2013 9:08AM

<< Now up to 29 documented NGC Black Slabs

Hello all-

Below is a list I maintain that reports what I know as the existing NGC Black slabs. I am sure it is incomplete, but it's a start. Please let me know if you are aware of any other NGC Black slabs and are willing to share their existence. Thanks.

Lane

Space in the list is compressed when posting.

Date / Coin / Grade / Serial Number
1890 Liberty Nickel PR-63 121203-012
1837-P Seated Liberty Dime MS-65 121036-004
1892-P Barber Dime MS-62 121501-008
1939-P Mercury Dime PF-65 121390-013
1940-D Washington Quarter MS-64 121689-005
1940-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121349-016
1941-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121251-019
1879-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-023
1880-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 ????
1880-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121194-010
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-021
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121624-024
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-65 121036-010
1885-O Morgan Dollar MS-63 121746-011
1891-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 121501-001
1922-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121105-006
1923-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121699-011
1914-P $10 Indian MS-62 121276-008
1922-P Peace Dollar MS-62 121165-016
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-005
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-004
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-006
1927-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-021
1936-D Cincinnati MS-65 121625-018
1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-011
1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-015
1937-D Oregon Trail MS-65 121356-015
1946-P Iowa MS-65 121446-009
1935-S San Diego MS-66 121356-016

Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>

Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder?
Taylor

PerryHall · April 19, 2013 9:42AM

<< Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder?
Taylor >>

Yes but the new ones look a lot different than the first generation NGC slabs. The new ones are just the current slabs with the insert being black rather than white.

oreville · March 15, 2014 6:52PM

ttt
saving from archives

astrorat · March 16, 2014 10:17PM

A $2.5 Liberty has been added!

SethChandler · March 17, 2014 8:18AM

Here a couple of crappy iPhone pics of the 1888 2 /12 NGC Black Slab MS63. Its got some funky crustiness thats around the lower perimeter of the rim. Otherwise, a 65.

Lakesammman · March 17, 2014 8:25AM

Looks like it's going to be a 5K premium for that holder.

2ltdjorn · March 17, 2014 8:28AM

I know of another

astrorat · March 1, 2015 12:20AM

Still holding at 30 documented ...

astrorat · July 20, 2016 10:19AM

A 1908 PF-64 Liberty nickel (with green CAC) was just added. Thanks for the PM to alert all of the newly documented piece.

Now 31 documented!

Edited to add the denomination ...

LanceNewmanOCC · July 20, 2016 11:49AM

Originally posted by: astrorat

A 1908 PF-64 (with green CAC) was just added. Thanks for the PM to alert all of the newly documented piece.

Now 31 documented!

denom?

.

astrorat · July 20, 2016 11:52AM

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: astrorat
A 1908 PF-64 (with green CAC) was just added. Thanks for the PM to alert all of the newly documented piece.

Now 31 documented!

denom?
.

Whoops! It's a nickel.

Wabbit2313 · July 20, 2016 12:08PM

Wow, sure was a long time before another one was added. I met a dealer who said he has a few "stashed" away with his own stuff. One of these days I'll find out if he really even knows what I am talking about.

asheland · July 21, 2016 4:11AM

Originally posted by: chumley
I have never seen a black slab in the wild

Same here. I'd love to find one someday.

johnny9434 · July 21, 2016 5:07AM

Originally posted by: asheland

Originally posted by: chumley
I have never seen a black slab in the wild

Same here. I'd love to find one someday.

some day at one of the bigger shows (maybe)

Unknown · July 21, 2016 5:28AM

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AngryTurtle · July 21, 2016 6:11AM

Originally posted by: Type2

Man! Its tempting to photoshop a 1913 Lib Nic in there... wouldnt that be something!

DRUNNER · July 21, 2016 10:21AM

I have also had the story given to my by one of our members . . . "I know a client with one box each of NGC Blacks, 2.1s, and 2.0s!!!"

Years later, nothing has surfaced . . . .

I bet the number of 31 known will remain about the same until we die . . . .

It is a doggone nice holder for history.

Drunner

coinkid855 · July 21, 2016 10:25PM

Well I have a box and a half of each of 2.0's and 2.1's...Not a single black though.

-Paul

astrorat · August 20, 2016 5:30AM

A 1946-D Walking Liberty half in MS-65 was just added to the census.

astrorat · August 20, 2016 5:36AM

Using the serial numbers as an estimate of coins graded, thus far there were at least 266 coins graded using the black slabs.

Recall that the last three digits in the NGC serial number indicates the coin's place in the submission. The higher the number, the more coins in the submission. Thus, summing the highest number for each unique submission, gives 266 coins.

Now if I could only find out the serial number for the 1880-O Morgan!

PerryHall · August 20, 2016 6:18AM

The vast majority of coins in the black NGC slabs were sent back to NGC to be reholdered. Dealers and collectors hated them because the label giving the date/mintmark, grade, variety, serial number, etc was on the back of the slab making them difficult to display in a case. Also, the black background hurt the eye appeal of toned coins especially brown copper coins. The bottom line is that most of these slabs have been destroyed.

mannie gray · August 20, 2016 6:34AM

I remember seeing 2 at a show in the mid 90s, there was no premium attached to the slabs, but at the time I wasn't aware of the significance of the holder (other than it was unusual.)

I can't recall what the coins were.

TheDukeK · August 27, 2016 1:38PM

This one wasn't destroyed

http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder

TheDukeK · August 28, 2016 2:00PM

Anyone going for that one?

http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder

DRUNNER · August 28, 2016 2:23PM

I have it bookmarked to watch . . . with an idea of what I think it will close for. Just a personal bet with myself . . . and it'll give me confirmation of what I think mine is worth.

Drunner

Kccoin · August 28, 2016 2:33PM

Originally posted by: TheDukeK

This one wasn't destroyed

http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder

Holy cow! Talk about buying the holder. Do these holders really bring four figures?

TheDukeK · August 28, 2016 3:27PM

It seems that way

And I think it helps that it's a nice coin although common.
Still stayed rather white too.

Coin Finder · August 28, 2016 4:04PM

There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?

PerryHall · August 28, 2016 4:39PM

Originally posted by: thebigeng

There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?

I would estimate no more than 200 survived.

astrorat · August 28, 2016 9:33PM

Originally posted by: Kccoin

Originally posted by: TheDukeK
This one wasn't destroyed

http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder

Holy cow! Talk about buying the holder. Do these holders really bring four figures?

Yeah ... for at least the past decade.

astrorat · August 28, 2016 9:36PM

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: thebigeng
There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?

I would estimate no more than 200 survived.

That seems about right, or at least as good a guess as any. I seem to recall that roughly 3000 coins were slabbed in the black slabs before NGC switched to the white inserts. So many coins displayed poorly with a black plastic backdrop that many were cracked and resubmitted for the improved white holders. Also, the black holders have the coin's reverse matched with the label (a poor recommendation from a marketing company, I heard) which is not how coins are typically displayed.

NGC Black Slab Census - Now 42 documented

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