I guess if there are that few and it's a nice coin it could go up more and will
What would that coin be worth in a common slab?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Originally posted by: TheDukeK 11 days left and that walker is up to $2,600. How high can it go? I guess if there are that few and it's a nice coin it could go up more and will
These first generation NGC slabs are part of numismatic history. Not everyone cares about them but the number of collectors that do care about them far exceeds the number that survive so it comes down to supply and demand.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
This thread was started 6 years and 8 months ago and only 34 first generation Black NGC slabs have been located and documented. I imagine the vast majority of these slabs are being held in very strong hands which explains why they are so expensive.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It may be comparing apples to oranges, but I sense that there are about the same number of U.S. coins still in Gen.1 NGC holders as there are U.S. coins still in PCGS Regency holders. I would like to see a side by side comparison of the lists.
@coindeuce said:
It may be comparing apples to oranges, but I sense that there are about the same number of U.S. coins still in Gen.1 NGC holders as there are U.S. coins still in PCGS Regency holders. I would like to see a side by side comparison of the lists.
From my census records ...
35 NGC Black (all US coins)
76 PCGS Regency (US coins only)
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I have an 1886p Morgan 63 that’s not on this census. Can get cert # next time I go to safety deposit box. Our secret that I have an ngc coin in my collection.
@BrettPCGS said:
I have an 1886p Morgan 63 that’s not on this census. Can get cert # next time I go to safety deposit box. Our secret that I have an ngc coin in my collection.
Brett
I promise not to squeal.
I just updated the list with the most recent Heritage offering. Now there are 36 documented examples. And soon there will be 37 ...
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I just finished up this "album" of 1.0's made up from photos I've located online and saved over the last few years. I've made it on google slides so anyone can save it and download it if they wish.
I have enjoyed owning one ever since it brought me an official "You Suck" award years ago.
Mine had an interesting acquisition history . . . . saw it advertised on eBay (I am not there much . . . .it was a total fluke) for $2500 or "Best Offer". Knowing what it was, but not willing to part with that much, and not knowing at the time (no one did) the value of the pieces . . . I offered about 2/3 as I sat grading student essays. I saw that minutes later, my offer had been accepted! The "PS" ???? Was headed to bed an hour later and saw I had a PM. Not sure how the Member knew how to contact me or who had won the piece . . . . but I got offered $4k for the piece before the night was out.
That was when I knew I had something . . . . . . .
Peace Dollar. Was the only one for quite a while . . .
Drunner
PS . . . . . . It is still fun to place it at a local Mom & Pop coin show of 30-40 tables and let it sit there for 2 days with no one even knowing what it is . . . . . they are so rare they are thought of a 3rd Tier slabs . . . . .
@Realone said:
Interestingly after reviewint he list and cviewing the pics the question I find myself askinging is why aren't there any great coins, you know incredible color and eyeappeal and undergradedetc. I always thought that the coin came first and then the slab, if we found that great looking and undergraded coin(s)show up in black slabs then I could see the black slabs becoming popular ie if you owned one then you owned a phenomenal coin with color and upgrade potential. But I don't see that, i just see a bunch of black slabs, is it fair to say that most have been cracked out and what you have left is the forever entombed going nowhere examples better left alone and doesn't that hurt the black slab leftover craze?
Gorgeous and drool worthy - from the CRO Archives:
Carbert - don't rub it in - should never have consigned it.....
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
@Realone said:
Interestingly after reviewint he list and cviewing the pics the question I find myself askinging is why aren't there any great coins, you know incredible color and eyeappeal and undergradedetc. I always thought that the coin came first and then the slab, if we found that great looking and undergraded coin(s)show up in black slabs then I could see the black slabs becoming popular ie if you owned one then you owned a phenomenal coin with color and upgrade potential. But I don't see that, i just see a bunch of black slabs, is it fair to say that most have been cracked out and what you have left is the forever entombed going nowhere examples better left alone and doesn't that hurt the black slab leftover craze?
Gorgeous and drool worthy - from the CRO Archives:
It's pretty amazing that the outside clear shell basically hasn't changed in so long. Sure, there's the inner bar separating the insert from the coin and the deeper inner wall for better stacking, but overall not much change.
I truly like the toned silver coins in the black holders. Can't say about copper, but the toned silver seems to be enhanced by the black. JMO
Is the list still 36 coins or has it grown?
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I certainly am not the be-all, end-all source for these, but I do keep an eye on the market and the nuances of the NGC Black to a small degree.
None have shown up beyond the CRO example above to my knowledge. When I jumped into this slab collecting/discussion years ago I was critiqued by one of our members that "there is at least one guy out there with a full box of NGC Blacks . . . and several boxes of NGC White 2.0s". Well . . . years ago, and not only has that member never said anything else about it, but they have also not shown up anywhere.
I think if we see any more, it will be an epic event. Somebody is going to raid Gramp's safety-deposit and find a few . . . perhaps. Hey . . . I hope it happens. The market certainly is not going to collapse with a few more out there. Given slab-rate and slabbing longevity of this edition, there can't be that many more even possible out there, given crack-outs, loss, and alien abductions.
But what do I know? I was the one who said the White Rattler (1.0) premium was $400. Now one sold last week for $4800.
"These are my black NGC slabs, half of which are already reported in the census.
I just wanted to list them here so that I have a internet ready location to see which ones are mine.
I believe I may have one more of these in my other vault box which I will look inside tomorrow.
Edit - could not make it to the bank. Next week instead.
(1)1890-P 05c PR-63 121203-012 CAC gold
(2)1940-P 50c MS-65 121349-016 no sticker (PVC poster girl)
(3)1879-S $1 MS-64 121699-023 CAC green
(4)1881-S $1 MS-65 121036-010 CAC green
(5)1891-O $1 MS-64 121501-001 CAC green
(6)1922-P $20 MS-62 121165-016 no sticker (a superb cleverly cracked out slab with a switched overgraded 1922 $20)
(7)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-004 CAC green
(8)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-006 CAC gold
(9)1936-D 50c Cincinnati / MS-65 121625-018 CAC gold
I have long maintained that there is probably between 85 and 200 surviving NGC black slabs so I have no illusions about this current documented census report."
NEW COMMENT:
I forgot to look at my vault box to see how many more black NGC slabs I have but I can assure you it is at most one or two more slabs!
I admit that the supply of remaining black NGC slabs have virtually dried up so my prediction that there are a total of 85 to 200 surviving NGC black slabs is way too high. Probably closer to just a total of 85 to 100 surviving NGC black slabs.
I have now added the 1882-S Morgan imaged above (thanks 86Saab). I am sure sure what it was not added earlier!
There are 37 coins in the registry.
Based on the highest submission numbers for each of the coins in the registry, it would mean a minimum of 277 coins were submitted to be encapsulated in NGC Black Slabs.
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I remember going to the Baltimore show back in 2014 and was at the PCGS table submitting a bunch of gold coins. My eye caught another collector submitting 3 NGC black slabs for crossing over and 2 PCGS Regency slabs which he wanted advice from PCGS staff to crack out and regrade. My reaction was
@oreville said:
Posted 11/23/2012 now with more details:
"These are my black NGC slabs, half of which are already reported in the census.
I just wanted to list them here so that I have a internet ready location to see which ones are mine.
I believe I may have one more of these in my other vault box which I will look inside tomorrow.
Edit - could not make it to the bank. Next week instead.
(1)1890-P 05c PR-63 121203-012 CAC gold
(2)1940-P 50c MS-65 121349-016 no sticker (PVC poster girl)
(3)1879-S $1 MS-64 121699-023 CAC green
(4)1881-S $1 MS-65 121036-010 CAC green
(5)1891-O $1 MS-64 121501-001 CAC green
(6)1922-P $20 MS-62 121165-016 no sticker (a superb cleverly cracked out slab with a switched overgraded 1922 $20)
(7)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-004 CAC green
(8)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-006 CAC gold
(9)1936-D 50c Cincinnati / MS-65 121625-018 CAC gold
I have long maintained that there is probably between 85 and 200 surviving NGC black slabs so I have no illusions about this current documented census report."
NEW COMMENT:
I forgot to look at my vault box to see how many more black NGC slabs I have but I can assure you it is at most one or two more slabs!
I admit that the supply of remaining black NGC slabs have virtually dried up so my prediction that there are a total of 85 to 200 surviving NGC black slabs is way too high. Probably closer to just a total of 85 to 100 surviving NGC black slabs.
I finally studied my bank vault carefully and realized I have two more NGC black slabs than I thought.
I also have:
(10) 1881-S $1 MS-64 121699-021 CAC green
(11) 1946 50c Iowa MS-65 121446-009 no sticker
I purchased in June 2021
(12) 1946-D 50c MS-65 121203-023 CAC gold.
These three additional NGC black slabs are already in the census so no change to the census count of 37.
So, Colonel - how many you have stashed away?? In that picture that Andy posted, was he asking you about how many NGC Black slabs you let slip away......
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
@Lakesammman said:
So, Colonel - how many you have stashed away?? In that picture that Andy posted, was he asking you about how many NGC Black slabs you let slip away......
How many fingers was I holding up? BTW, that was not a number but a meme.
I missed out on so many that Willie Nelson wrote a song about how it was his own thoughtlessness that cost him a good woman and dedicated it to me.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I contacted a friend who owns a black NGC Morgan silver dollar dated 1885-O He has not looked at it for many years. It may already be in the census report.
Comments
How high can it go?
I guess if there are that few and it's a nice coin it could go up more and will
11 days left and that walker is up to $2,600.
How high can it go?
I guess if there are that few and it's a nice coin it could go up more and will
What would that coin be worth in a common slab?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
11 days left and that walker is up to $2,600.
How high can it go?
I guess if there are that few and it's a nice coin it could go up more and will
What would that coin be worth in a common slab?
80-90 bucks.
Are they going to slab that holder?
Waste of money IMO
Buy the holder, not the coin?
Are they going to slab that holder?
Waste of money IMO
These first generation NGC slabs are part of numismatic history. Not everyone cares about them but the number of collectors that do care about them far exceeds the number that survive so it comes down to supply and demand.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Updated ... a new 1953 Franklin half proof was added.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
A 1939 Washington proof quarter was just added.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
The barber dime that just sold at Great Collections doesn't appear to be on the list yet.
Choice Numismatics www.ChoiceCoin.com
CN eBay
All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
This thread was started 6 years and 8 months ago and only 34 first generation Black NGC slabs have been located and documented. I imagine the vast majority of these slabs are being held in very strong hands which explains why they are so expensive.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Thanks ... now it's been added.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
It may be comparing apples to oranges, but I sense that there are about the same number of U.S. coins still in Gen.1 NGC holders as there are U.S. coins still in PCGS Regency holders. I would like to see a side by side comparison of the lists.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.americanlegacycoins.com
From my census records ...
35 NGC Black (all US coins)
76 PCGS Regency (US coins only)
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I'll bet there are a few "unreported" in one of the vaults at NGC.
I have an 1886p Morgan 63 that’s not on this census. Can get cert # next time I go to safety deposit box. Our secret that I have an ngc coin in my collection.
Brett
Brett Charville --- I work at PCGS
I promise not to squeal.
I just updated the list with the most recent Heritage offering. Now there are 36 documented examples. And soon there will be 37 ...
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Here is one that sold on Heritage in Sept
121624-021-1882-S Morgan MS64 Sold for $3960
https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1882-s-1-ms64-ngc/a/1299-3610.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
I like the contrast, @86Saab.
I was curious to see the history of these submissions in chronological order, including Bretts example above which hasn't been added yet, here it is.
I apologize if this post shows up twice, I could have sworn I made a post, edited it, and it disappeared.
1837-P / Seated Liberty Dime / MS-65 / 121036-004
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-65 / 121036-010
1936-P / Norfolk / MS-65 / 121036-011
1936-P / Norfolk / MS-65 / 121036-015
1922-P / Peace Dollar / MS-63 / 121105-006
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-004
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-005
1924-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-006
1922-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-016
1927-P / Saint Gaudens / MS-62 / 121165-021
1880-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121194-010
1890 / Liberty Nickel / PR-63 / 121203-012
1946-D / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121203-023
1941-P / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121251-019
1914-P / $10 Indian / MS-62 / 121276-008
1940-P / Walking Liberty Half / MS-65 / 121349-016
1908-P / Liberty Nickel / PF-64 / 121355-002
1937-D / Oregon Trail / MS-65 / 121356-015
1935-S / San Diego / MS-66 / 121356-016
1913-P / Barber Dime / MS-64 / 121356-019
1939-P / Mercury Dime / PF-65 / 121390-013
1953-P / Franklin Half / PF-65 / 121423-005
1939-P / Washington Quarter / PF-65 / 121467-002
1891-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121501-001
1892-P / Barber Dime / MS-62 / 121501-008
1882-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121624-021
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121624-024
1940-D / Washington Quarter / MS-64 / 121689-005
1898-P / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121689-006
1923-P / Peace Dollar / MS-63 / 121699-011
1881-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121699-021
1879-S / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / 121699-023
1885-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-63 / 121746-011
1888-P / $2.5 Liberty / MS-63 / 121780-018
1880-O / Morgan Dollar / MS-64 / ????
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
And they say stickers are silly.
I just finished up this "album" of 1.0's made up from photos I've located online and saved over the last few years. I've made it on google slides so anyone can save it and download it if they wish.
Enjoy!
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1578kQtZISwd1b1Gpn07jtqWd_wc4fiZG1YkRptgFbII/edit?usp=sharing
I have enjoyed owning one ever since it brought me an official "You Suck" award years ago.
Mine had an interesting acquisition history . . . . saw it advertised on eBay (I am not there much . . . .it was a total fluke) for $2500 or "Best Offer". Knowing what it was, but not willing to part with that much, and not knowing at the time (no one did) the value of the pieces . . . I offered about 2/3 as I sat grading student essays. I saw that minutes later, my offer had been accepted! The "PS" ???? Was headed to bed an hour later and saw I had a PM. Not sure how the Member knew how to contact me or who had won the piece . . . . but I got offered $4k for the piece before the night was out.
That was when I knew I had something . . . . . . .
Peace Dollar. Was the only one for quite a while . . .
Drunner
PS . . . . . . It is still fun to place it at a local Mom & Pop coin show of 30-40 tables and let it sit there for 2 days with no one even knowing what it is . . . . . they are so rare they are thought of a 3rd Tier slabs . . . . .
Gorgeous and drool worthy - from the CRO Archives:
https://coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=archive&task=det_item&item_id=422827
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Fun story, Drunner.
Carbert - don't rub it in - should never have consigned it.....
Anyone here buy that coin from CRO?
is only a matter of time before ngc offers this black slab as an option, maybe for double the price of a white slab!
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Any updates?
Wow, that is amazing!
It's pretty amazing that the outside clear shell basically hasn't changed in so long. Sure, there's the inner bar separating the insert from the coin and the deeper inner wall for better stacking, but overall not much change.
Interesting that there are no One Cent coins known. Perhaps its the look of a brown coin within black that lead to the change to white plastic?
I truly like the toned silver coins in the black holders. Can't say about copper, but the toned silver seems to be enhanced by the black. JMO
Is the list still 36 coins or has it grown?
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I certainly am not the be-all, end-all source for these, but I do keep an eye on the market and the nuances of the NGC Black to a small degree.
None have shown up beyond the CRO example above to my knowledge. When I jumped into this slab collecting/discussion years ago I was critiqued by one of our members that "there is at least one guy out there with a full box of NGC Blacks . . . and several boxes of NGC White 2.0s". Well . . . years ago, and not only has that member never said anything else about it, but they have also not shown up anywhere.
I think if we see any more, it will be an epic event. Somebody is going to raid Gramp's safety-deposit and find a few . . . perhaps. Hey . . . I hope it happens. The market certainly is not going to collapse with a few more out there. Given slab-rate and slabbing longevity of this edition, there can't be that many more even possible out there, given crack-outs, loss, and alien abductions.
But what do I know? I was the one who said the White Rattler (1.0) premium was $400. Now one sold last week for $4800.
Drunner
Posted 11/23/2012 now with more details:
"These are my black NGC slabs, half of which are already reported in the census.
I just wanted to list them here so that I have a internet ready location to see which ones are mine.
I believe I may have one more of these in my other vault box which I will look inside tomorrow.
Edit - could not make it to the bank. Next week instead.
(1)1890-P 05c PR-63 121203-012 CAC gold
(2)1940-P 50c MS-65 121349-016 no sticker (PVC poster girl)
(3)1879-S $1 MS-64 121699-023 CAC green
(4)1881-S $1 MS-65 121036-010 CAC green
(5)1891-O $1 MS-64 121501-001 CAC green
(6)1922-P $20 MS-62 121165-016 no sticker (a superb cleverly cracked out slab with a switched overgraded 1922 $20)
(7)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-004 CAC green
(8)1924-P $20 MS-62 121165-006 CAC gold
(9)1936-D 50c Cincinnati / MS-65 121625-018 CAC gold
I have long maintained that there is probably between 85 and 200 surviving NGC black slabs so I have no illusions about this current documented census report."
NEW COMMENT:
I forgot to look at my vault box to see how many more black NGC slabs I have but I can assure you it is at most one or two more slabs!
I admit that the supply of remaining black NGC slabs have virtually dried up so my prediction that there are a total of 85 to 200 surviving NGC black slabs is way too high. Probably closer to just a total of 85 to 100 surviving NGC black slabs.
I have now added the 1882-S Morgan imaged above (thanks 86Saab). I am sure sure what it was not added earlier!
There are 37 coins in the registry.
Based on the highest submission numbers for each of the coins in the registry, it would mean a minimum of 277 coins were submitted to be encapsulated in NGC Black Slabs.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I remember going to the Baltimore show back in 2014 and was at the PCGS table submitting a bunch of gold coins. My eye caught another collector submitting 3 NGC black slabs for crossing over and 2 PCGS Regency slabs which he wanted advice from PCGS staff to crack out and regrade. My reaction was
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was too late !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I finally studied my bank vault carefully and realized I have two more NGC black slabs than I thought.
I also have:
(10) 1881-S $1 MS-64 121699-021 CAC green
(11) 1946 50c Iowa MS-65 121446-009 no sticker
I purchased in June 2021
(12) 1946-D 50c MS-65 121203-023 CAC gold.
These three additional NGC black slabs are already in the census so no change to the census count of 37.
I do know of an additional 6 in very strong hands.
Noted ... thanks.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Th> @astrorat said:
The reason I know is because they are not selling at even very strong prices.
keeping this thread out of archives.
some may not like it but i think it is grand as-is.
thanks @oreville
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@Oreville - Can you confirm or deny your possession of 23 Black Slabs with gold stickers?
Not sayin', just askin'
Denied. Do not even have that many black NGC slabs.
Just a rumor circulating around the vaults of the Geneva Free Port.
So, Colonel - how many you have stashed away?? In that picture that Andy posted, was he asking you about how many NGC Black slabs you let slip away......
How many fingers was I holding up?
BTW, that was not a number but a meme.
I missed out on so many that Willie Nelson wrote a song about how it was his own thoughtlessness that cost him a good woman and dedicated it to me.
I contacted a friend who owns a black NGC Morgan silver dollar dated 1885-O He has not looked at it for many years. It may already be in the census report.
He will take a look at it in his vault box.