I do not share ownership information on the slabs, even if known by the collecting public. I can tell you it appeared in a 2006 Heritage auction, however.
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I like the fact that NGC brought back the now called "Black Retro" slab for a few select coins. I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins.
Other than the color of the insert, the new so called black retro slabs look nothing like the original first generation slabs. I think NGC is just trying to cash in on the popularity of the originals.
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<< <i>I like the fact that NGC brought back the now called "Black Retro" slab for a few select coins. I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins. >>
The only thing "retro" is the color of the insert. They could have just as well produces a "futuristic" slab that was purple. The "retro" is just marketing. Oh yeah ... I picked up one for my slab collection ... of course!
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The NGC black slab that I ever saw contained a Type I $20 gold, but I can't recall the date. The coin was really nice (some level of Mint State) and under graded. The asking price was WAY OVER the market for the coin, however, even adding the extra grading points for the under grade. I have no way of knowing if this slab still exists or not.
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<< <i>Gold coins look smashing in the black holders... >>
Boy, don't they!
I really like the look of these. A bit better than the current-generation NGC holders, actually.
I prefer PCGS's clear capsules, but if one were to go with a solid color insert, I do like the black quite a bit. I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones?
<< <i> I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones? >>
That's the way I remembered it and the black ICG inserts cost extra.
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There is another similar thread discussing the census for PCGS Doily slabs. It appears there are about 15 Doily slabs for every Black first generation NGC slab.
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Below is a list I maintain that reports what I know as the existing NGC Black slabs. I am sure it is incomplete, but it's a start. Please let me know if you are aware of any other NGC Black slabs and are willing to share their existence. Thanks.
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Date / Coin / Grade / Serial Number 1890 Liberty Nickel PR-63 121203-012 1837-P Seated Liberty Dime MS-65 121036-004 1892-P Barber Dime MS-62 121501-008 1939-P Mercury Dime PF-65 121390-013 1940-D Washington Quarter MS-64 121689-005 1940-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121349-016 1941-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121251-019 1879-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-023 1880-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 ???? 1880-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121194-010 1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-021 1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121624-024 1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-65 121036-010 1885-O Morgan Dollar MS-63 121746-011 1891-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 121501-001 1922-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121105-006 1923-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121699-011 1914-P $10 Indian MS-62 121276-008 1922-P Peace Dollar MS-62 121165-016 1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-005 1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-004 1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-006 1927-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-021 1936-D Cincinnati MS-65 121625-018 1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-011 1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-015 1937-D Oregon Trail MS-65 121356-015 1946-P Iowa MS-65 121446-009 1935-S San Diego MS-66 121356-016
Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>
Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder? Taylor
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<< <i>Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder? Taylor >>
Yes but the new ones look a lot different than the first generation NGC slabs. The new ones are just the current slabs with the insert being black rather than white.
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Here a couple of crappy iPhone pics of the 1888 2 /12 NGC Black Slab MS63. Its got some funky crustiness thats around the lower perimeter of the rim. Otherwise, a 65.
Looks like it's going to be a 5K premium for that holder.
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Wow, sure was a long time before another one was added. I met a dealer who said he has a few "stashed" away with his own stuff. One of these days I'll find out if he really even knows what I am talking about.
Using the serial numbers as an estimate of coins graded, thus far there were at least 266 coins graded using the black slabs.
Recall that the last three digits in the NGC serial number indicates the coin's place in the submission. The higher the number, the more coins in the submission. Thus, summing the highest number for each unique submission, gives 266 coins.
Now if I could only find out the serial number for the 1880-O Morgan!
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The vast majority of coins in the black NGC slabs were sent back to NGC to be reholdered. Dealers and collectors hated them because the label giving the date/mintmark, grade, variety, serial number, etc was on the back of the slab making them difficult to display in a case. Also, the black background hurt the eye appeal of toned coins especially brown copper coins. The bottom line is that most of these slabs have been destroyed.
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I remember seeing 2 at a show in the mid 90s, there was no premium attached to the slabs, but at the time I wasn't aware of the significance of the holder (other than it was unusual.)
I have it bookmarked to watch . . . with an idea of what I think it will close for. Just a personal bet with myself . . . and it'll give me confirmation of what I think mine is worth.
There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?
I would estimate no more than 200 survived.
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Originally posted by: thebigeng There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?
I would estimate no more than 200 survived.
That seems about right, or at least as good a guess as any. I seem to recall that roughly 3000 coins were slabbed in the black slabs before NGC switched to the white inserts. So many coins displayed poorly with a black plastic backdrop that many were cracked and resubmitted for the improved white holders. Also, the black holders have the coin's reverse matched with the label (a poor recommendation from a marketing company, I heard) which is not how coins are typically displayed.
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<< <i>Who owns the $10 indian in the holder? >>
I do not share ownership information on the slabs, even if known by the collecting public. I can tell you it appeared in a 2006 Heritage auction, however.
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I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins.
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<< <i>I like the fact that NGC brought back the now called "Black Retro" slab for a few select coins.
I hope they offer them as an option in the future for all coins. >>
The only thing "retro" is the color of the insert. They could have just as well produces a "futuristic" slab that was purple. The "retro" is just marketing. Oh yeah ... I picked up one for my slab collection ... of course!
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<< <i>Gold coins look smashing in the black holders...
There is indeed something special about black and gold.
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in case you made a mistake, this is not the BST
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<< <i>Gold coins look smashing in the black holders... >>
Boy, don't they!
I really like the look of these. A bit better than the current-generation NGC holders, actually.
I prefer PCGS's clear capsules, but if one were to go with a solid color insert, I do like the black quite a bit. I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones?
<< <i> I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones? >>
That's the way I remembered it and the black ICG inserts cost extra.
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<< <i> I remember for a while ICG had some black inserts. Maybe those were the Intercept Shield ones? >>
That's the way I remembered it and the black ICG inserts cost extra. >>
Yes and yes. The Intercept Shield was an option (at an additional cost) when submitting to ICG.
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<< <i>Now up to 29 documented NGC Black Slabs
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Below is a list I maintain that reports what I know as the existing NGC Black slabs. I am sure it is incomplete, but it's a start. Please let me know if you are aware of any other NGC Black slabs and are willing to share their existence. Thanks.
Lane
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Date / Coin / Grade / Serial Number
1890 Liberty Nickel PR-63 121203-012
1837-P Seated Liberty Dime MS-65 121036-004
1892-P Barber Dime MS-62 121501-008
1939-P Mercury Dime PF-65 121390-013
1940-D Washington Quarter MS-64 121689-005
1940-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121349-016
1941-P Walking Liberty Half MS-65 121251-019
1879-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-023
1880-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 ????
1880-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121194-010
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121699-021
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-64 121624-024
1881-S Morgan Dollar MS-65 121036-010
1885-O Morgan Dollar MS-63 121746-011
1891-O Morgan Dollar MS-64 121501-001
1922-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121105-006
1923-P Peace Dollar MS-63 121699-011
1914-P $10 Indian MS-62 121276-008
1922-P Peace Dollar MS-62 121165-016
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-005
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-004
1924-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-006
1927-P Saint Gaudens MS-62 121165-021
1936-D Cincinnati MS-65 121625-018
1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-011
1936-P Norfolk MS-65 121036-015
1937-D Oregon Trail MS-65 121356-015
1946-P Iowa MS-65 121446-009
1935-S San Diego MS-66 121356-016
Note: A group of 17 undocumented pieces is reportedly held by one collector. >>
Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder?
Taylor
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<< <i>Didn't they do a back to the past retro holder?
Taylor >>
Yes but the new ones look a lot different than the first generation NGC slabs. The new ones are just the current slabs with the insert being black rather than white.
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Now 31 documented!
Edited to add the denomination ...
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A 1908 PF-64 (with green CAC) was just added. Thanks for the PM to alert all of the newly documented piece.
Now 31 documented!
denom?
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A 1908 PF-64 (with green CAC) was just added. Thanks for the PM to alert all of the newly documented piece.
Now 31 documented!
denom?
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I have never seen a black slab in the wild
Same here. I'd love to find one someday.
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I have never seen a black slab in the wild
Same here. I'd love to find one someday.
some day at one of the bigger shows (maybe)
Man! Its tempting to photoshop a 1913 Lib Nic in there... wouldnt that be something!
Years later, nothing has surfaced . . . .
I bet the number of 31 known will remain about the same until we die . . . .
It is a doggone nice holder for history.
Drunner
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Recall that the last three digits in the NGC serial number indicates the coin's place in the submission. The higher the number, the more coins in the submission. Thus, summing the highest number for each unique submission, gives 266 coins.
Now if I could only find out the serial number for the 1880-O Morgan!
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I can't recall what the coins were.
http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder
http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder
Drunner
This one wasn't destroyed
http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder
Holy cow! Talk about buying the holder. Do these holders really bring four figures?
And I think it helps that it's a nice coin although common.
Still stayed rather white too.
There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?
I would estimate no more than 200 survived.
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This one wasn't destroyed
http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/386558/1946-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-NGC-MS-65-Vintage-Black-NGC-Old-Holder
Holy cow! Talk about buying the holder. Do these holders really bring four figures?
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There must a least a 1000 of these right??? A new NGC company with a "rival" PCGS, where are they?
I would estimate no more than 200 survived.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces