Does anybody think this is NT

crypto79 · February 19, 2014 5:08AM

I have been doing an OGH holder set of Peace dollars and came across this. At first it is easy to dismiss
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but as I do normally do I see if the seller has similar "monsters" as most AT tend to be in batches and sure enough
Same toning pallet in the same type of holder

This isn't the forum's Keylargo is it? Or is it somebody using his name with only a handful of feedbacks? I am skeptical but am I missing something here?

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · February 19, 2014 5:11AM

…its him…and his coin.

Erik

commoncents05 · February 19, 2014 5:12AM

Join the party.

-Paul

commoncents05 · February 19, 2014 5:13AM

Undoubtedly AT. Both of them.

-Paul

SoCalBigMark · February 19, 2014 5:16AM

I made an offer on that coin, and have a counter offer. Thank you for the heads up.

mercurydimeguy · February 19, 2014 5:17AM

There is a thread on the BST, same seller, different coin (Peace $1) and also Rattler holder.

Keep in mind these Rattler holders are not airtight and you can tone the coin in the holder very easy. I actually practiced on a cheap Peace dollar (about 10 years ago) and can make one look EXACTLY like this Morgan.

The same seller has a Peace $1 for sale, also Monster color, Same identical color spectrum, and also Rattler holder.

Now the seller may have bought a batch already like this, but I highly doubt that coin or this Morgan is NT. I would say with 99% certainty that this is AT because I can make a coin in a Rattler PCGS holder look like this also.

BTW, I am not accusing the seller of doing anything wrong...he/she can offer for sale whatever they want, but I do challenge if this batch of MONSTER Rattler holder coins were sent to PCGS for regrading, what would happen? I wonder how quickly the person would get a call from PCGS about the fact that the slabs have been tempered with and the coins inside are AT.

In fact, I collect color coins (I crack them out and put them in my Dollar color book). I wold make an offer on the Peace $1 if he can get PCGS to regrade that Rattler into a new slab

BillJones · February 19, 2014 5:21AM

Both coins are AT so far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps the Morgan dollar was white when PCGS slabbed it many years ago and turned in the rattle slab. This is what you might call a "lucky" result from an improper rinse after dipping.

leothelyon · February 19, 2014 5:41AM

Why go through the trouble of ATing some coins and than put two identical toned coins up for sale. That has always been the give-a-way.

Boosibri · February 19, 2014 5:44AM

My last and only experience was a BST transaction for a $50 loupe which was never received and never refunded. I would never even glance at a coin from this seller.

DaveWcoins · February 19, 2014 6:01AM

<< My last and only experience was a BST transaction for a $50 loupe which was never received and never refunded. I would never even glance at a coin from this seller. >>

Wow! Really?

Did the seller provide proof (a tracking number, etc) that it was mailed to you?

Boosibri · February 19, 2014 6:07AM

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<< My last and only experience was a BST transaction for a $50 loupe which was never received and never refunded. I would never even glance at a coin from this seller. >>

Wow! Really?

Did the seller provide proof (a tracking number, etc) that it was mailed to you? >>

No despite repeated requests. Three times he has asked for my Paypal address to refund but something must have distracted him each time.

lkeigwin · February 19, 2014 6:21AM

AT to me too. Looks like sulfur was used.
Lance.

relicsncoins · February 19, 2014 7:05AM

Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers.

kaz · February 19, 2014 7:11AM

<< Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers. >>

sounds like a case of herpeticide!

JRocco · February 19, 2014 7:16AM

<< AT to me too. Looks like sulfur was used.
Lance. >>

I concur

stman · February 19, 2014 7:20AM

<< Does anybody think this is NT >>

Let's see, both same look, both rattle holders, both same seller.......... Hmmm, I'll wait for a good "story" to help me decide.

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Shortgapbob · February 19, 2014 7:27AM

AT....an obvious one IMHO.

DoubleEagle59 · February 19, 2014 7:31AM

To me, when you look at 'AT' in the dictionary, you see a picture of that coin!

Old joke I know, but I'm being serious.

That coin to me is a textbook example of an artificially toned coin.

zas107 · February 19, 2014 7:34AM

100% AT imo.

sparky64 · February 19, 2014 7:34AM

<< I am confused, didn't he sell that coin yesterday for $400+? >>

From what I read in the other post, the BIN was pulled in favor of an auction due to the large increase in interest.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · February 19, 2014 7:39AM

Erik

rainbowroosie · February 19, 2014 7:39AM

I would not buy that coin.

crazyhounddog · February 19, 2014 8:14AM

If it is, or it isn't, I find it an extremely ugly unappealing coin. And, I think it's AT all the way.

D · February 19, 2014 8:52AM

<< Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers. >>

This.

There was a once-respected member here that admitted to toning coins in rattlers.

-D

KeyLargoRareCoins · February 19, 2014 8:56AM

<< 

<< Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers. >>

This.

There was a once-respected member here that admitted to toning coins in rattlers.

-D >>

Please explain further to what you are insinuating? Are you saying that I did something to this coin?

D · February 19, 2014 8:59AM

<< 

<< 

<< Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers. >>

This.

There was a once-respected member here that admitted to toning coins in rattlers.

-D >>

Please explain further to what you are insinuating? Are you saying that I did something to this coin? >>

Please explain how I was insinuating anything. I've said nothing pertaining to you or the auction mentioned in this thread.

Best wishes,

-D

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KeyLargoRareCoins · February 19, 2014 9:01AM

Its pretty clear you were insinuating something and I am sure the entire forum would agree

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · February 19, 2014 9:01AM

<< 

<< 

<< Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic around here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers. >>

This.

There was a once-respected member here that admitted to toning coins in rattlers.

-D >>

Please explain further to what you are insinuating? Are you saying that I did something to this coin? >>

…I may be wrong but I think he agreeing that "Gassing of rattlers was a pretty hot topic here a few years back. A well known forum member was busted AT'ing coins in rattlers." and I think he was saying…"There was a once-respected member here that admitted to toning coins in rattlers."

Erik

coindeuce · February 19, 2014 9:05AM

The PCGS sniffer should be able to ascertain if the coins mentioned in this thread may or may not be remnants of the work of a forum member who openly made an admission of such alterations several years ago. Very tough call as to whether or not to take the issue to that level. Your mileage may vary.

D · February 19, 2014 9:07AM

<< Its pretty clear you were insinuating something and I am sure the entire forum would agree >>

What made it "clear" that I was insinuating anything? I made a direct statement about something that happened previously. Isn't the point of insinuation to be obtuse? It's interesting that you decided to respond to my post; a post that didn't pertain to you at all.

"in·sin·u·ate
inˈsinyəˌwāt/Submit
verb
1.
suggest or hint (something bad or reprehensible) in an indirect and unpleasant way."

If you would like to become better versed with the dealers and practices that were outed in years past I would recommend utilizing the search function on the forums.

-D

Aberlight · February 19, 2014 9:07AM

That Peace Dollar as well as the Nuked Morgan are

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Elcontador · February 19, 2014 9:09AM

That looks like toilet bowl toning.

Aberlight · February 19, 2014 9:11AM

This coin needs a doctor. It is diseased.

MGLICKER · February 19, 2014 9:17AM

<< The PCGS sniffer should be able to ascertain if the coins mentioned in this thread may or may not be remnants of the work of a forum member who openly made an admission of such alterations several years ago. Very tough call as to whether or not to take the issue to that level. Your mileage may vary. >>

The coins that you refer to had a different look than these do. I have been a Morgan dealer for over a decade and have not attained the ability to make an AT or NT evaluation from a digital image. Hell, this forum has not even been able to define accurately, what constitutes artificial toning.

coindeuce · February 19, 2014 9:22AM

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<< The PCGS sniffer should be able to ascertain if the coins mentioned in this thread may or may not be remnants of the work of a forum member who openly made an admission of such alterations several years ago. Very tough call as to whether or not to take the issue to that level. Your mileage may vary. >>

The coins that you refer to had a different look than these do. I have been a Morgan dealer for over a decade and have not attained the ability to make an AT or NT evaluation from a digital image. Hell, this forum has not even been able to define accurately, what constitutes artificial toning. >>

I made no claim about "the look". The sniffer will get an instant hit if there are any foreign chemical compounds on the surface of these coins that are known to cause accelerating toning. Pretty simple approach as I "see" it. Take it, or leave it.

MGLICKER · February 19, 2014 9:26AM

<< I made no claim about "the look". The sniffer will get an instant hit if there are any foreign chemical compounds on the surface of these coins that are known to cause accelerating toning. Pretty simple approach as I "see" it. Take it, or leave it. >>

I was referring to your thought that this may have been the work of Manofcoins. I have no opinion as to whether these should be sniffed or not. Chapman Brothers and Max Mehl got by without one.

Rampage · February 19, 2014 9:26AM

leothelyon · February 19, 2014 9:41AM

I find it interesting that there's nothing on the label to say the coin was either a blast white or heavily toned coin. Only a number that may say it was graded accordingly to the amount of marks, perhaps the amount of detail or luster. And what about the toning? How much was there?
We will never know, will we, on what merits the coin received a MS63 grade. Now Ngc used to add a W or T to say whether the coin was white or toned when graded. Perhaps for this reason.

spinaker2000 · February 19, 2014 9:43AM

<< Neither of those coins are naturally toned. Again, see the other thread on the topic. This particular thread has seen a bit more action, but the name of the other forum member is mentioned in the other thread by the seller of the coins. >>

Pooffed !!

crypto79 · February 19, 2014 9:50AM

<< Its pretty clear you were insinuating something and I am sure the entire forum would agree >>

Ill come out and say it: why are all of your auctions suspiciously toned coins in permeable holders, almost every one of them?

Keylargo's completed auctions

coindeuce · February 19, 2014 9:52AM

<< I find it interesting that there's nothing on the label to say the coin was either a blast white or heavily toned coin. Only a number that may say it was graded accordingly to the amount of marks, perhaps the amount of detail or luster. And what about the toning? How much was there?
We will never know, will we, on what merits the coin received a MS63 grade. Now Ngc used to add a W or T to say whether the coin was white or toned when graded. Perhaps for this reason. >>

NGC never had a rattler holder that was / is very vulnerable to gaseous compounds that can cause accelerated toning on silver and copper coins while encapsulated. Where have you been for the last 5 or so years ?

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crypto79 · February 19, 2014 9:58AM

<< Dear Keylargo,
what do you believe caused the toning of all the coins that you are selling?
Thank you,
RO >>

While a good question I think the more important one is who caused the toning? But I think we all sort of know.

KeyLargoRareCoins · February 19, 2014 9:58AM

<< Dear Keylargo,
what do you believe caused the toning of all the coins that you are selling?
Thank you,
RO >>

Well numerous coins I have sold have all passed the pcgs sniffer so lets not jumble one thing to the next. Would you like some true views of before and after of coins of mine that everyone said the same crap and yet they all made it passed the sniffer? As far as the rattlers who the hell knows I just bought the damn things saturday. The other sets I have had for close to five years now and have already been discussed on here numerous times

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michiganboy · February 19, 2014 10:07AM

Sniffer is only used on secure plus or very expense coins with questionable toning.

KeyLargoRareCoins · February 19, 2014 10:07AM

The proof sets and ikes all came from the same collection roughly 5 years ago, I believe storage conditions caused those to tone, several have been graded by our host and passed the sniffer.
The peace dollar and the morgan rattler I dont know, I know I just purchased them saturday- I do not know the history on those two coins so my guess would be as good as yours.

KeyLargoRareCoins · February 19, 2014 10:10AM

<< Sniffer is only used on secure plus or very expense coins with questionable toning. >>

I am well aware of what the sniffer is used on and as I stated several have already been through the sniffer. Now if I am being accused of doing something to two coins I purchased saturday well then not much I can do about that and to each their own

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