So if I've got this right, the 2013 gold proof buffalo is sold out and has an estimated mintage about 40 coins more than 2008.
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
Do we still not have final numbers on Hayes/Garfield from the 2011 spouses?
Is there a place to go to get official "final" mintages for any coin? Does the Mint maintain that? Seems like the last couple of years the mint has been really slow on this.
<< <i>Miles you are right, but I magnetized one chick and then had to sell the car ;> >>
Hey Bill, I got magenitized too, went from a Guards Red Porsche Turbo with Gold honeycomb BBS Wheels to a Ford Festiva w/a hole in the muffler...Big improvement in gas mileage...
<< <i>So if I've got this right, the 2013 gold proof buffalo is sold out and has an estimated mintage about 40 coins more than 2008.
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
I don't think you can call it a "mintage" until the final numbers are posted. Until then it is just sales. Also, I think there could be some buyers that cancel or return thinking that 2013 is not the king and ironically make it king in the process. I look forward to the next 2 numbers to see it there is a adjustment down.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>So if I've got this right, the 2013 gold proof buffalo is sold out and has an estimated mintage about 40 coins more than 2008.
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
I don't think you can call it a "mintage" until the final numbers are posted. Until then it is just sales. Also, I think there could be some buyers that cancel or return thinking that 2013 is not the king and ironically make it king in the process. I look forward to the next 2 numbers to see it there is a adjustment down. >>
Maby who ever ordered 352 coins on the last day thinking they were buying a new King to flip will cancel their order after realizing that their greed caused it not to become king.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Considering the drop in recent years from $1900 to $1200… it's no surprise that a lot of this year's gold offerings are being snapped up. To me, anyway.
92vette: Where exactly did this figure come from (and does it still show this figure somewhere) and is there still a chance this is the "right" figure?
Wondercoin
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92vette: Where exactly did this figure come from (and does it still show this figure somewhere) and is there still a chance this is the "right" figure?
Wondercoin >>
The mint has been publishing its XLS spreadsheet before it puts its html report on the website. For the last two weeks the spreadsheet has shown a higher figure: last week I think it was 18917 and this week was 18907. Folks have noticed this discrepancy before, in products like the 2013 west point ASE sets which "previewed" the downward revised 230K or so sales figure though no to the exact number the mint would eventually furnish. Also I thought I read somewhere a number in the low 42K range for the RP buffalo was seen on the XLS spreadsheet right before the last report was furnished.
So actually as the US Mint site says at 6:30 PM (ET) Tuesday these *really* are the numbers versus what was there *BEFORE* 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, that took the wind out of our sails.
Yesterday, I saw the 18,907 with my own eyes after getting the US MINT link from 92vette [see earlier post in this thread] .
I have the 'old" XLS file of one day ago to compare with the 'new' xls file.
Lets see what it is by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, December 24th, 2013. Of course the Mint folks will be leaving early that day and we may not see even it ;>
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So actually as the US Mint site says at 6:30 PM (ET) Tuesday these *really* are the numbers versus what was there *BEFORE* 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, that took the wind out of our sails.
Yesterday, I saw the 18,907 with my own eyes after getting the US MINT link from 92vette [see earlier post in this thread] .
I have the 'old" XLS file of one day ago to compare with the 'new' xls file.
Lets see what it is by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, December 24th, 2013. Of course the Mint folks will be leaving early that day and we may not see even it ;> >>
<< <i>92vette: Thank you ... so what conclusion do you now make from all of this?
Wondercoin >>
The conclusion I draw is that though the data contained in the xls spreadsheet, while possibly useful, is going to take a back seat to the html report as far as the market is concerned because the html report is always the number that sticks and hence the number the market cites as truth. Of course if you happen to know a given coin is either scarcer or more common than what the market thinks, you can take advantage of this as well.
I wonder if the "sales demand" numbers reflect all the orders that are sitting on backorde with very slim chances being filled. I expect a lot of orders were placed when the product went "on backorder". Eg my order for 2 is showing back ordered with expected shipping date moving one day at the time and currently showing Jan 1st 2014. I doubt it will ever get filled and hence the numbers will be adjusted downward. In my mind there is no doubt if the highest reported sales number is only higher by 40 coins than 2008 it will be adjusted well below that... Just my 2 cents..
<< <i>I am looking at # 360808189163 and all I can see is the buy it now price of $2,949.75. It was not an auction. I am searching sold items not compleated auctions. It shows buy it now sales, best offer sales and auction sales.
I do not know what you mean by open up the sale. I do not have a Fleabay account and never will. Only use it to see going prices.
I will never buy on Ebay or use ripoff pal. I only buy from MCM and APMEX where I can count on excelent service, quick delivery,
getting exactly what I ordered and competitive pricing and often the best price if the timing is right. >>
<< <i>I am looking at # 360808189163 and all I can see is the buy it now price of $2,949.75. It was not an auction. I am searching sold items not compleated auctions. It shows buy it now sales, best offer sales and auction sales.
I do not know what you mean by open up the sale. I do not have a Fleabay account and never will. Only use it to see going prices.
I will never buy on Ebay or use ripoff pal. I only buy from MCM and APMEX where I can count on excelent service, quick delivery,
getting exactly what I ordered and competitive pricing and often the best price if the timing is right. >>
If I had such a closed mind, I would not be here. >>
Twosides2acoin,
We all have choices and preferences as to how and where we do things. If you believe that someone has a closed mind because
they do not agree with your choices or preferences is that not also a sign of a closed mind?
The forum is a place for everyone to express related opinions to add to the knowledge base of everyone and not the place
to criticize others opinions.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Regardless of the final numbers both the 2008 and the 2013 will find some additional demand/support beyond mintage alone because of guys wanting examples for pairing.
While I understand the pairing thing I see a difference in that there are more 2008 1 oz. proof buffalos (18,863) than possible sets (12,169-the 1/2 oz. mintage) while there are far fewer proof 2013s available to pair with the available Rev Proof versions. As of now there can only be a possible 18,596 pairings/sets for 2013. That sounds like a shortage.
Speaking of pairing, I am thinking a rev proof and regular proof in a PCGS proof 70 double holder would sure be neat. Anyone think that would be a bad idea?
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>Speaking of pairing, I am thinking a rev proof and regular proof in a PCGS proof 70 double holder would sure be neat. Anyone think that would be a bad idea? >>
That would be one hell of a hot slab.
I was ‘COINB0Y' with 4812 posts and ‘Expert Collector’ ranking (Joined in 2006).
While I understand the pairing thing I see a difference in that there are more 2008 1 oz. proof buffalos (18,863) than possible sets (12,169-the 1/2 oz. mintage) while there are far fewer proof 2013s available to pair with the available Rev Proof versions. As of now there can only be a possible 18,596 pairings/sets for 2013. That sounds like a shortage. >>
I agree that from a simple standpoint of making sets the 2013 is most appealing.
Collectors just have a natural tendency to make or collect things as sets.
I actually bought 10+ 2013 proofs and zero reverse proofs because I felt there would be demand from guys wanting examples of each and I had a hunch the regular proof numbers would not be too high with all the blanks going to make reverse proofs. Now I wish I had bought more.................
The 2008s appeal to those wanting sets of 2008s in all 4 demoninations and also to those collecting the $50 by year.
Comments
<< <i>
<< <i>Local coin shop has three raw ones for $1820. Debating. >>
$1790 original issue price, I'd buy all 3 quick.
OMP will bring more than graded 69s which are now selling at $2300+.
Hurry and good luck !!! >>
Wasted trip. All are RPs.
Thanks :-(
BTW, Denver kiosk said sold out @ 1500 yesterday.
A raw one selling for $2,400 yesterday.
Wondercoin
Increase of 352 Coins ? or almost 1.8% more coins sold in a week?
Source?
<< <i>Increase of 352 Coins ? or almost 1.8% more coins sold in a week?
Source? >>
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/
Hit the link that says "Download All Data To Date in XLS format" and scroll to near the bottom of the spreadsheet.
I used to have a Black 87'. Gosh , what a chick magnet that was ;>
<< <i>Got it, thanks 92vette.
I used to have a Black 87'. Gosh , what a chick magnet that was ;> >>
Was?! Still might be CoinBoy for the same age group!
<< <i>Now 18, 907 as of 12/15 >>
If confirmed and the final final this would leave '08 the key!!
Still digging your 2008 set?
Seems the 2013 coin will probably sell like the 2012s which has a close enough mintage.
Box of 20
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
Do we still not have final numbers on Hayes/Garfield from the 2011 spouses?
Is there a place to go to get official "final" mintages for any coin? Does the Mint maintain that? Seems like the last couple of years the mint has been really slow on this.
Maybe I'm just ignorant on the process.
<< <i>Miles you are right, but I magnetized one chick and then had to sell the car ;> >>
Hey Bill, I got magenitized too, went from a Guards Red Porsche Turbo with Gold honeycomb BBS Wheels to a Ford Festiva w/a hole in the muffler...Big improvement in gas mileage...
<< <i>Got it, thanks 92vette.
I used to have a Black 87'. Gosh , what a chick magnet that was ;> >>
Bet it was! Just love the later C4 vettes. Mine's gone now but I'll score another '92 to '96 someday --- in red, of course.
<< <i>So if I've got this right, the 2013 gold proof buffalo is sold out and has an estimated mintage about 40 coins more than 2008.
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
I don't think you can call it a "mintage" until the final numbers are posted. Until then it is just sales. Also, I think there could be some buyers that cancel or return thinking that 2013 is not the king and ironically make it king in the process. I look forward to the next 2 numbers to see it there is a adjustment down.
<< <i>
<< <i>So if I've got this right, the 2013 gold proof buffalo is sold out and has an estimated mintage about 40 coins more than 2008.
But we won't know for sure for a year or two?
I don't think you can call it a "mintage" until the final numbers are posted. Until then it is just sales. Also, I think there could be some buyers that cancel or return thinking that 2013 is not the king and ironically make it king in the process. I look forward to the next 2 numbers to see it there is a adjustment down. >>
Maby who ever ordered 352 coins on the last day thinking they were buying a new King to flip will cancel their order after realizing that their greed caused it not to become king.
" The King has left the building " NOT
<< <i>Maybe they will just return enough to bring it below 2008! >>
If I bought that many at the last minute that is what I would do.
<< <i>The sales report is as of 12-8 and the coin didn't officailly go off sale til 12-9. Probably not much difference though. >>
You were right.
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<< <i>Scratch that: 18,596 and a new King (until next year). >>
Wow. May last beyond that. No RP to compete for funds next year.
<< <i>OK Bullsitter, it's time for your victory dance !!
Good gosh !!!
This has been the longest 24 hours in my life.....
I'm happy for all of us....
92vette: Where exactly did this figure come from (and does it still show this figure somewhere) and is there still a chance this is the "right" figure?
Wondercoin
<< <i>"Now 18, 907 as of 12/15"
92vette: Where exactly did this figure come from (and does it still show this figure somewhere) and is there still a chance this is the "right" figure?
Wondercoin >>
The mint has been publishing its XLS spreadsheet before it puts its html report on the website. For the last two weeks the spreadsheet has shown a higher figure: last week I think it was 18917 and this week was 18907. Folks have noticed this discrepancy before, in products like the 2013 west point ASE sets which "previewed" the downward revised 230K or so sales figure though no to the exact number the mint would eventually furnish. Also I thought I read somewhere a number in the low 42K range for the RP buffalo was seen on the XLS spreadsheet right before the last report was furnished.
Wondercoin
If one actually reads the text on the US MINT site, it says:
"Figures are posted weekly by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesdays to reflect sales demand through the previous Sunday, starting on June 18, 2013"
US MINT SALES PAGE
So actually as the US Mint site says at 6:30 PM (ET) Tuesday these *really* are the numbers versus what was there *BEFORE* 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, that took the wind out of our sails.
Yesterday, I saw the 18,907 with my own eyes after getting the US MINT link from 92vette [see earlier post in this thread] .
I have the 'old" XLS file of one day ago to compare with the 'new' xls file.
Lets see what it is by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, December 24th, 2013. Of course the Mint folks will be leaving early that day and we may not see even it ;>
<< <i>If one actually reads the text on the US MINT site, it says:
"Figures are posted weekly by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesdays to reflect sales demand through the previous Sunday, starting on June 18, 2013"
US MINT SALES PAGE
So actually as the US Mint site says at 6:30 PM (ET) Tuesday these *really* are the numbers versus what was there *BEFORE* 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, that took the wind out of our sails.
Yesterday, I saw the 18,907 with my own eyes after getting the US MINT link from 92vette [see earlier post in this thread] .
I have the 'old" XLS file of one day ago to compare with the 'new' xls file.
Lets see what it is by 5 p.m. (ET) Tuesday, December 24th, 2013. Of course the Mint folks will be leaving early that day and we may not see even it ;> >>
And put the wind in the sails of others?
<< <i> And put the wind in the sails of others? >>
I do not mean to be flippant, but no one ever said life was fair....
<< <i>92vette: Thank you ... so what conclusion do you now make from all of this?
Wondercoin >>
The conclusion I draw is that though the data contained in the xls spreadsheet, while possibly useful, is going to take a back seat to the html report as far as the market is concerned because the html report is always the number that sticks and hence the number the market cites as truth. Of course if you happen to know a given coin is either scarcer or more common than what the market thinks, you can take advantage of this as well.
Box of 20
Maby the spreadsheet is only actual orders placed and the adjustment for cancelled and returned orders is deducted from that before the final report
is issued. With the mint who knows what goes into the numbers. If someone could make a connection with the right person in the mint who
could give us a correct explination of how the report is prepared it would be great, however you might have better luck finding someone to give
you the winning numbers for the next big Mega Millions drawing.
<< <i>I am looking at # 360808189163 and all I can see is the buy it now price of $2,949.75. It was not an auction.
I am searching sold items not compleated auctions. It shows buy it now sales, best offer sales and auction sales.
I do not know what you mean by open up the sale. I do not have a Fleabay account and never will. Only use it to see going prices.
I will never buy on Ebay or use ripoff pal. I only buy from MCM and APMEX where I can count on excelent service, quick delivery,
getting exactly what I ordered and competitive pricing and often the best price if the timing is right. >>
If I had such a closed mind, I would not be here.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>
<< <i>I am looking at # 360808189163 and all I can see is the buy it now price of $2,949.75. It was not an auction.
I am searching sold items not compleated auctions. It shows buy it now sales, best offer sales and auction sales.
I do not know what you mean by open up the sale. I do not have a Fleabay account and never will. Only use it to see going prices.
I will never buy on Ebay or use ripoff pal. I only buy from MCM and APMEX where I can count on excelent service, quick delivery,
getting exactly what I ordered and competitive pricing and often the best price if the timing is right. >>
If I had such a closed mind, I would not be here. >>
Twosides2acoin,
We all have choices and preferences as to how and where we do things. If you believe that someone has a closed mind because
they do not agree with your choices or preferences is that not also a sign of a closed mind?
The forum is a place for everyone to express related opinions to add to the knowledge base of everyone and not the place
to criticize others opinions.
If not for eBay, I would not have found this place, and so many closed doors.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
about current topics. And if you have not noticed already, sometimes throw a little gasoline on the fire.
<< <i>Where else can a novice collector with limited knowledge about the hobby learn as well as be able to state his opinions
about current topics. And if you have not noticed already, sometimes throw a little gasoline on the fire.
Facebook ?
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>The mint sales link now says 18,596 >>
Interesting. Looks like 2013 is back in the race.
Pairing of the 2008 $50 with $25-$10-$5 pieces
Pairing of the 2013 with the $50 reverse proof.
While I understand the pairing thing I see a difference in that there are more 2008 1 oz. proof buffalos (18,863) than possible sets (12,169-the 1/2 oz. mintage) while there are far fewer proof 2013s available to pair with the available Rev Proof versions. As of now there can only be a possible 18,596 pairings/sets for 2013. That sounds like a shortage.
<< <i>Speaking of pairing, I am thinking a rev proof and regular proof in a PCGS proof 70 double holder would sure be neat. Anyone think that would be a bad idea? >>
That would be one hell of a hot slab.
<< <i>2manycoins2fewfunds
While I understand the pairing thing I see a difference in that there are more 2008 1 oz. proof buffalos (18,863) than possible sets (12,169-the 1/2 oz. mintage) while there are far fewer proof 2013s available to pair with the available Rev Proof versions. As of now there can only be a possible 18,596 pairings/sets for 2013. That sounds like a shortage. >>
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I agree that from a simple standpoint of making sets the 2013 is most appealing.
Collectors just have a natural tendency to make or collect things as sets.
I actually bought 10+ 2013 proofs and zero reverse proofs because I felt there would be demand from guys wanting examples of each and I had a hunch the regular proof numbers would not be too high with all the blanks going to make reverse proofs. Now I wish I had bought more.................
The 2008s appeal to those wanting sets of 2008s in all 4 demoninations and also to those collecting the $50 by year.