The 2012 issue should be a sign of dwindling collector base for this coin. Perhaps the huge drop in gold spurred the decline. If 2012 can have a mintage in the 19K range, there could be even lesser sold in the future.
<< <i>The 2012 issue should be a sign of dwindling collector base for this coin. Perhaps the huge drop in gold spurred the decline. If 2012 can have a mintage in the 19K range, there could be even lesser sold in the future. >>
Correct, look at the last three issues of the burnished gold eagle (and the subseqent price declines).
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<< <i>The 2012 issue should be a sign of dwindling collector base for this coin. Perhaps the huge drop in gold spurred the decline. If 2012 can have a mintage in the 19K range, there could be even lesser sold in the future. >>
Nothing goes in one direction indefinitely. Well...nearly.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
It all depends on how the Mint prices its issue. Gold just got monkey-hammered again, this afternoon.
A 2014 Buff Proof is not going to sell well at $1,740, but will do ok if the spreads are less.
Download the 2012 Annual US Mint Report.
As I read thru it today, the Mint looks as if they may have started to figure out that pricing and product demand have some sort of causal effects upon one another.
Epiphany? Not yet, but hopefully the changed in Contractors may lead to more realism when it comes to offering hundreds of coin crap they have been trying to sell over the last few years.
Would I bet on it? Nope.
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"A 2014 Buff Proof is not going to sell well at $1,740, but will do ok if the spreads are less."
Wouldn't that coin be priced at $1,600 or even less using current spot? In fact, might it be argued that the $500/oz "mini-crash" in spot gold in 2013 left many collectors behaving like "deers in the headlights" in deciding on whether to pick up some interesting issues such as these regular proof Buffs? Unless we see gold falling another $200 or $300+/oz. in 2014 (with similar behavior by the collecting base), I would not rule out sales even possibly picking up at the Mint in 2014 potentially creating some interesting low mintage coins in both 2012 and 2013.
As always, just my 2 cents.
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How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014.
2manycoins2fewfunds Regardless of the final numbers both the 2008 and the 2013 will find some additional demand/support beyond mintage alone because of guys wanting examples for pairing.
Pairing of the 2008 $50 with $25-$10-$5 pieces
Pairing of the 2013 with the $50 reverse proof
Interesting thought. Also don't forget that 2013 regular Proof is ALSO 100th anniversary coin while it was not really advertised as such... Some folks may just want to celebrate the 100th anniversary with the regular proof version
<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W.
Something caused the low demand for the 2012s when they were selling from the mint, not the aftermarket. The static design doesn't help either. I would think if the mint did a gold bullion each year with a new classic design they would sell well, much like the palladium coming up of the mercury dime design. I personally only collected the fractional 08s bought originally from the mint and the 2013.
We will see how much demand is created by it now being a low mintage as there was no demand before. For three weeks before MCM had 25 PCGS PR70 FS Flag Label buffs for sale. After three weeks and lowering the price to $ 2,149 only 3 had sold. Not much demand there. They went out of stock when the sold out notice went up at the mint and the website said to send them an email and they would let you know when they were back in stock. 22 of them will again be available at a new price.
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<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W. >>
The mint sold what...........70 MILLION Dollars plus of reverse buffs.
Not every colector has an extra $1700-$1800 laying around and I'm sure some collectors had to make a decision whether to buy the Reverse proof or regular proof.
A lot probably figured they better buy the reverse proof first and pick up the regular proof later.
Unfortunately that was exactly the wrong thing to do.......................
<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W. >>
The mint sold what...........50 MILLION Dollars plus of reverse buffs.
Not every colector has an extra $1700-$1800 laying around and I'm sure some collectors had to make a decision whether to buy the Reverse proof or regular proof.
A lot probably figured they better buy the reverse proof first and pick up the regular proof later.
Unfortunately that was exactly the wrong thing to do……................. >>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of my millionaire customers hasn't purchased as much as a grain of gold from me in 2013. She said "gold is a bad investment this year". Turned out she was right She's got EVERY buffalo proof gold coin up to 2013. And in some years, multiples. I have a feeling what she did not do was exactly the right thing to do.
If we have learned anything, these are 'Hold Numbers' in the XSL file.
It did not go up a magical 310 Coins
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 43,853 12/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,596 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,906 12/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,264 12/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,128 11/24/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,906 11/17/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,640 11/10/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,310 11/3/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,046 10/27/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 16,400 10/20/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,846 10/13/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,687 10/6/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,495 9/29/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,271 9/22/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,676 9/15/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,332 9/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,921 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,606 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,141 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,821 8/11/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,297 8/4/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,155 7/28/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,757 7/21/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,522 7/14/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,291 7/7/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,205 6/30/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,872 6/23/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,255 6/16/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,255 6/16/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/22/2013 N<---------- Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,596 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,264 12/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,128 11/24/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,906 11/17/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,640 11/10/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,310 11/3/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,046 10/27/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 16,400 10/20/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,846 10/13/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,687 10/6/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,495 9/29/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,271 9/22/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,676 9/15/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,332 9/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,921 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,606 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,141 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,821 8/11/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,297 8/4/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,155 7/28/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,757 7/21/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,522 7/14/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,291 7/7/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,205 6/30/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,872 6/23/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/22/2013 N<---------- Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
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As suspected, it was a Mint Monkey at work, someone pluging in a 'hold number'
Above Data is from the XSL Data File on Monday,
Then the data below is the XSL file from Today.
They didn't even bother updating the date from 12-15-2013 on the HTM page
BU7 went up three coins.
2013 W Proof Buff is Still the King
All of a sudden the Reverse Proof goes back to what it was.
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/22/2013 N<---------- Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
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it's getting to be hard work to "call" a winner in a particular series these days. For all we know, it is 2012 (once the figures are adjusted for that year)
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Hattrick. I agree with you. But, it should be interesting to see what a puny <5% difference in mintage means in this series a few years from now. All (3) sub-20,000 mintage coins are neat in my book. Wondercoin.
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<< <i>Hattrick. I agree with you. But, it should be interesting to see what a puny <5% difference in mintage means in this series a few years from now. All (3) sub-20,000 mintage coins are neat in my book. Wondercoin. >>
I believe that eventually all three will be in the same range. Even the different 70 labels will not make much of a difference.
However, for now the king will be the king and the label chasers will rule.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Monday's "Mint Monkey" Hold Numbers from the XSL file used until the "Official" Number is plugged in on Tuesday, Dec. 31 at 5:00PM EST
REF = 18,863 = 2008 W
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,893 12/29/2013 N ---"This week's Mint Monkey Generated Hold Number"-- Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,596 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,264 12/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,128 11/24/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,906 11/17/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,640 11/10/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,310 11/3/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,046 10/27/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 16,400 10/20/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,846 10/13/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,687 10/6/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,495 9/29/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,271 9/22/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,676 9/15/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,332 9/8/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,921 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,606 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,141 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,821 8/11/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,297 8/4/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,155 7/28/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,757 7/21/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,522 7/14/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,291 7/7/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,205 6/30/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,872 6/23/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,255 6/16/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 43,775 12/29/2013 N ---"This week's Mint Monkey Generated Hold Number"-- Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
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Yup, these "hold Numbers" are inputted on Sunday and the *real* number is then officially inserted to updated the as SAME number in both the XSL file and the webpage on Tuesday Night at 5:00 PM EST.
I do not understand why the Mint uses a 'plugs-in' number that is different from the week before on Sunday only to have the real number 'plugged' in on Tuesday afternoon. But it has been doing this verey week.
For the Reverse Proofs, the "Hold Number" is approx. 4,000 units less than the official number that has not changed.
I say there is someone at the US Mint that is doing a "Messin' with Sasquatch" for two days before the official update.
Why? Why not?
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<< <i>Im wondering if the "hold" number is a run-rate, based on prior week numbers (maybe?), or,
could it be actual thru Sunday (seems unlikely), or,
? >>
I think its simply a Mint Monkey who is:
1.) Screwing with Collectors 2.) Screwing w/ Ebay Prices 3.) Picking a number out of his butt
When working at the US Mint, I am sure there are so many rules that are delineated for each job that must be followed. This may be one area that has not had a rule made up to follow.
So the Mint employee is pushing the 'envelope' because right now, he can. I think its as simple as that.
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Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/29/2013 N <------Mint 'Hold Number' now replaced with REAL Number
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We may have a "winner", but once again, the coin is showing weakness in price at this time as a big seller is selling off PR70FS coins for about $400 or $500/coin less than where the coins were trading at the high about a week earlier.
It may take some time for this one to be appreciated!
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The 2008 issue has been on top for 4-5 years and I would think a lot of people have a fair amount invested in them but now that the 2013 has seemingly dethroned the '08 I would think current '08 owners/buyers might be in a quandary. If indeed the '13 is confirmed as the new low what happens to the value of the '08? What would justify keeping the current values in place? Logic tells me the '08 should drop and the '13 should ascend. Or at least the '13 would eventually rise to current '08 levels. But in the end why would/should the '08 values stay where they are? Yes, they are part of a 4 coin set for that year but the 1/2 oz. is the key to that set mintage wise meaning there are more 2008 1 oz. available than possible sets.
<< <i>The 2008 issue has been on top for 4-5 years and I would think a lot of people have a fair amount invested in them but now that the 2013 has seemingly dethroned the '08 I would think current '08 owners/buyers might be in a quandary. If indeed the '13 is confirmed as the new low what happens to the value of the '08? What would justify keeping the current values in place? Logic tells me the '08 should drop and the '13 should ascend. Or at least the '13 would eventually rise to current '08 levels. But in the end why would/should the '08 values stay where they are? Yes, they are part of a 4 coin set for that year but the 1/2 oz. is the key to that set mintage wise meaning there are more 2008 1 oz. available than possible sets. >>
It will hold value because of the 08 set. It's availability on the market is limited because of collectors who prefer to keep it as a set. Mintage is only part of the price value formula in this case.
IMO those who took my earlier advice and sold the 13 proof made the smart move.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
I understand the set uniqueness but there can only be 12,169 possible sets based on the 1/2 oz. mintage which means in light of the 1 oz. mintage of 18,863 there are 6,694 1 oz. coins that have no home. Doesn't that diminish some of the luster?
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<< <i>The 2012 issue should be a sign of dwindling collector base for this coin. Perhaps the huge drop in gold spurred the decline. If 2012 can have a mintage in the 19K range, there could be even lesser sold in the future. >>
Correct, look at the last three issues of the burnished gold eagle (and the subseqent price declines).
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
<< <i>The 2012 issue should be a sign of dwindling collector base for this coin. Perhaps the huge drop in gold spurred the decline. If 2012 can have a mintage in the 19K range, there could be even lesser sold in the future. >>
Nothing goes in one direction indefinitely. Well...nearly.
A 2014 Buff Proof is not going to sell well at $1,740, but will do ok if the spreads are less.
Download the 2012 Annual US Mint Report.
As I read thru it today, the Mint looks as if they may have started to figure out that pricing and product demand have some sort of causal effects upon one another.
Epiphany? Not yet, but hopefully the changed in Contractors may lead to more realism when it comes to offering hundreds of coin crap they have been trying to sell over the last few years.
Would I bet on it? Nope.
Wouldn't that coin be priced at $1,600 or even less using current spot? In fact, might it be argued that the $500/oz "mini-crash" in spot gold in 2013 left many collectors behaving like "deers in the headlights" in deciding on whether to pick up some interesting issues such as these regular proof Buffs? Unless we see gold falling another $200 or $300+/oz. in 2014 (with similar behavior by the collecting base), I would not rule out sales even possibly picking up at the Mint in 2014 potentially creating some interesting low mintage coins in both 2012 and 2013.
As always, just my 2 cents.
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Regardless of the final numbers both the 2008 and the 2013 will find some additional demand/support beyond mintage alone because of guys wanting examples for pairing.
Pairing of the 2008 $50 with $25-$10-$5 pieces
Pairing of the 2013 with the $50 reverse proof
Interesting thought. Also don't forget that 2013 regular Proof is ALSO 100th anniversary coin while it was not really advertised as such...
Some folks may just want to celebrate the 100th anniversary with the regular proof version
<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W.
An NGC 70 fetching even more than PCGS 70's are trading at! But, a great sign at $2,900!
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<< <i>Apmex has Ngc 70 proof buffs at $2300. Get them while you can! >>
NGC brown label at $2300, yet the NGC Early Releases label at $2995. That's an awful big spread for an Early Releases.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
had 25 PCGS PR70 FS Flag Label buffs for sale. After three weeks and lowering the price to $ 2,149 only 3 had sold. Not much demand there.
They went out of stock when the sold out notice went up at the mint and the website said to send them an email and they would let you know when they were back in stock.
22 of them will again be available at a new price.
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<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W. >>
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The mint sold what...........70 MILLION Dollars plus of reverse buffs.
Not every colector has an extra $1700-$1800 laying around and I'm sure some collectors had to make a decision whether to buy the Reverse proof or regular proof.
A lot probably figured they better buy the reverse proof first and pick up the regular proof later.
Unfortunately that was exactly the wrong thing to do.......................
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<< <i>How many potential 2013 Proof sales were diverted to the Rev Proof? 1000. 2000. 5000. More? So far it doesn't look as though that will be the case in 2014. >>
Exactly! I think that if '13 ends up King it may well retain the title for a while. W/o the RP competing for Buff collector $ the '13 W sales would, I think, be well above the '08 W. >>
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The mint sold what...........50 MILLION Dollars plus of reverse buffs.
Not every colector has an extra $1700-$1800 laying around and I'm sure some collectors had to make a decision whether to buy the Reverse proof or regular proof.
A lot probably figured they better buy the reverse proof first and pick up the regular proof later.
Unfortunately that was exactly the wrong thing to do……................. >>
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One of my millionaire customers hasn't purchased as much as a grain of gold from me in 2013. She said "gold is a bad investment this year". Turned out she was right
She's got EVERY buffalo proof gold coin up to 2013. And in some years, multiples. I have a feeling what she did not do was exactly the right thing to do.
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They had (4) listings.
It did not go up a magical 310 Coins
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1-07-14. The ship date keeps moving.
Not looking like I will ever get this coin.
18,599
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/
Above Data is from the XSL Data File on Monday,
Then the data below is the XSL file from Today.
They didn't even bother updating the date from 12-15-2013 on the HTM page
BU7 went up three coins.
2013 W Proof Buff is Still the King
All of a sudden the Reverse Proof goes back to what it was.
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Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 N
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I knew it would happen.
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<< <i>jmski52 - Thanks. Obviously, not a bad coin either. The adjusted figure on that 2012, could challenge 2008 as well.
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A challenge ? Possible, however a third place showing is all but guaranteed for the 2012.
<< <i>Hattrick. I agree with you. But, it should be interesting to see what a puny <5% difference in mintage means in this series a few years from now. All (3) sub-20,000 mintage coins are neat in my book. Wondercoin. >>
I believe that eventually all three will be in the same range. Even the different 70 labels will not make much of a difference.
However, for now the king will be the king and the label chasers will rule.
Or will I be given a big surprise and actually get this thing?
<< <i>My expected ship date is now 1/11/14. When will the cancellation come?
Or will I be given a big surprise and actually get this thing? >>
From another thread
I noted that the credit card is charged when shipped. In accounting, a 2014 charge and ship means a2014 sale.
Now, I presume that thought led the Mint to not ship the commemoratives past 12-31.
However, once coined in 2013, I do not know of such a restriction for other releases like these buffs.
I think the remaining bullion is even unloaded into the early next year.
REF = 18,863 = 2008 W
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Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,596 12/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,264 12/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,128 11/24/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,906 11/17/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,640 11/10/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,310 11/3/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,046 10/27/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 16,400 10/20/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,846 10/13/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,687 10/6/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,495 9/29/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,271 9/22/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,676 9/15/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,332 9/8/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,921 9/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,606 8/25/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,141 8/18/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,821 8/11/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,297 8/4/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,155 7/28/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,757 7/21/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,522 7/14/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,291 7/7/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,205 6/30/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,872 6/23/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,255 6/16/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 43,775 12/29/2013 N ---"This week's Mint Monkey Generated Hold Number"--
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
I do not understand why the Mint uses a 'plugs-in' number that is different from the week before on Sunday only to have the real number 'plugged' in on Tuesday afternoon. But it has been doing this verey week.
For the Reverse Proofs, the "Hold Number" is approx. 4,000 units less than the official number that has not changed.
I say there is someone at the US Mint that is doing a "Messin' with Sasquatch" for two days before the official update.
Why? Why not?
could it be actual thru Sunday (seems unlikely), or,
?
<< <i>Im wondering if the "hold" number is a run-rate, based on prior week numbers (maybe?), or,
could it be actual thru Sunday (seems unlikely), or,
? >>
I think its simply a Mint Monkey who is:
1.) Screwing with Collectors
2.) Screwing w/ Ebay Prices
3.) Picking a number out of his butt
When working at the US Mint, I am sure there are so many rules that are delineated for each job that must be followed. This may be one area that has not had a rule made up to follow.
So the Mint employee is pushing the 'envelope' because right now, he can. I think its as simple as that.
final report number was around 300 if my memory is telling the truth. Maybe the spreadsheet only accumulates
the sales numbers then it is adjusted by the year to date cancellations and returns from some other location.
Just a thought as to what makes up the difference. If any body kept track see what the weekly difference was for
the last few weeks since the sell out. Good luck to all who own the current king and hope it stays that way for a
long time. EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!
18,599
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/
Like badhop55 says for Dec. 29:
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/29/2013 N <------Mint 'Hold Number' now replaced with REAL Number
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,599 12/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,596 12/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,264 12/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,128 11/24/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,906 11/17/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,640 11/10/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,310 11/3/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 17,046 10/27/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 16,400 10/20/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,846 10/13/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,687 10/6/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,495 9/29/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,271 9/22/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,676 9/15/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 14,332 9/8/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,921 9/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,606 8/25/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,141 8/18/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,821 8/11/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,297 8/4/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 12,155 7/28/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,757 7/21/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,522 7/14/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,291 7/7/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 11,205 6/30/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,872 6/23/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,255 6/16/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/29/2013 N<---------Mint Hold Number replaced with REAL Number
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/8/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 12/1/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/24/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/17/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/10/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 11/3/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/27/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/20/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/13/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 10/6/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/29/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/22/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/15/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836 9/8/2013 N
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 42,285 9/1/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 37,314 8/25/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 32,676 8/18/2013 Y
Precious Metal Products BV1 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 24,883 8/11/2013 Y
Also, Proof 1oz gold eagle sold out.
It may take some time for this one to be appreciated!
Wondercoin
<< <i>The 2008 issue has been on top for 4-5 years and I would think a lot of people have a fair amount invested in them but now that the 2013 has seemingly dethroned the '08 I would think current '08 owners/buyers might be in a quandary. If indeed the '13 is confirmed as the new low what happens to the value of the '08? What would justify keeping the current values in place? Logic tells me the '08 should drop and the '13 should ascend. Or at least the '13 would eventually rise to current '08 levels. But in the end why would/should the '08 values stay where they are? Yes, they are part of a 4 coin set for that year but the 1/2 oz. is the key to that set mintage wise meaning there are more 2008 1 oz. available than possible sets. >>
It will hold value because of the 08 set. It's availability on the market is limited because of collectors who prefer to keep it as a set. Mintage is only part of the price value formula in this case.
IMO those who took my earlier advice and sold the 13 proof made the smart move.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Not much of a premium for a new King. Sometimes being the King is not all there is.
Or in the end will I get a chopped up 5 time reject?
Thanks!
18,594* A drop of 5 from the previous week.
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/