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MaineJim · April 7, 2013 1:23PM

What do you think?

Jim

Tdec1000 · April 7, 2013 1:24PM

I vote fake, the date looks funny and so does the dentils.

Shamika · April 7, 2013 1:28PM

Fake. The date and design don't look right.

braddick · April 7, 2013 1:38PM

Could be real with an altered date.

AMRC · April 7, 2013 1:40PM

Real worked on.

ricko · April 7, 2013 11:47PM

Not a coin I would acquire..... too much in question...Cheers, RickO

CaptHenway · April 7, 2013 11:51PM

Chinese fake.
TD

DennisH · April 7, 2013 11:55PM

Fake.

LanceNewmanOCC · April 8, 2013 12:06AM

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really fake
.

Steve27 · April 8, 2013 5:03AM

At first I was leaning toward fake, and now altered date, because it looks like arrows (at the date) were removed. What does the reverse look like?

CyStater · April 8, 2013 5:07AM

<< At first I was leaning toward fake, and now altered date, because it looks like arrows (at the date) were removed. What does the reverse look like? >>

1Mike1 · April 8, 2013 5:07AM

<< Not a coin I would acquire..... too much in question...Cheers, RickO >>

+1

Dentuck · April 8, 2013 5:10AM

FAKE. There are only 327 dentils around the rim. There should be 328.

Wait . . . I lost track of where I started. Have to count 'em again.

johnny9434 · April 8, 2013 5:12AM

fake, the date and other things look totally bogus,

Kaline6 · April 8, 2013 5:28AM

I'm no expert but the smile looks retooled and the stars are kind of a mess.

Baley · April 8, 2013 6:15AM

looks so bad, doesn't really matter if real or fake, but I'd say fake. Let's see the reverse.

SamByrd · April 8, 2013 6:30AM

Genuine and significant alterations were done.

MaineJim · April 8, 2013 9:07AM

Here are the rest that were offered. They were all offered at a bit above melt.

Jim

MaineJim · April 8, 2013 9:13AM

Oh yea - the barber halves were all S mint except the 1904 and they were offered at $15 a piece...

Jim

410a · April 8, 2013 9:36AM

Real.......really wouldn't want the coin.

coachbedford · April 8, 2013 2:08PM

As for the 1849, I wouldn't rule out alterations on the date, but other than that, looks absolutely genuine to me. Some harsh cleaning (and possible date alteration) but unless it was being sold from China, I wouldn't suspect a fake. Geez, EVERY coin out there can't be fake!

TPRC · April 8, 2013 3:43PM

all fake....

MaineJim · April 8, 2013 9:13PM

I was thinking they were all fake myself. The barber halves had a similar look to them which made me suspicious along with the ridiculously low price. They were a craig's list item and were gone before I could see them in person but the dollar coin was listed as coming out of a bezel and severely scratched. I was wondering if anyone had seen Chinese fakes like this in a group. The person selling them wasn't going to make very much money so it seemed odd to sell them like that.

Jim

BillJones · April 8, 2013 10:08PM

All fake.

The second batch might look like worn genuine coins to the untrained eye, but the real problem is they were made from casts of genuine coins that lost the highest details of the designs. As for the offer of these pieces at "near melt" you might want to check the price of steel. Chinese are making a lot of their bogus coins out of that instead of silver to save money and allow them to offer bogus Morgan dollars at the flea markets for $30 or $32 apiece.

DoubleEagle59 · April 8, 2013 10:11PM

Fake.

coindeuce · April 9, 2013 7:56AM

Totally fake junk.

Taylor101 · April 9, 2013 12:11PM

<< Could be real with an altered date. >>

Exactly what I was thinking!
Taylor

Lewy · April 9, 2013 12:17PM

If that draped bust half is not counterfeit, then it is a new, yet undiscovered and unique variety (probably worth tens of thousands).

Amigo · April 9, 2013 1:15PM

I lean heavily towards fake.

I've ran into countless low lifes's selling fakes on craigslist. They always have a story "These belonged to my grandpa, Idk anything else about them " blah blah blah

BillJones · April 9, 2013 9:29PM

<< 

<< Could be real with an altered date. >>

Exactly what I was thinking!
Taylor >>

No, I've seen those kinds of crude digits on other Chinese fakes. The Chinese made an entire set of Seated Dollars that they marketed in a fake Dansco album. Beth Diesher had set that she showed a FUN show several years ago.

Who knows? May the dumb cluck who made the die for that "seated dollar" put arrows at the date that someone scraped off. It would not be the first time that the Chinese mint made some that never existed before, like an 1886-CC dollar.

CaptHenway · April 9, 2013 10:09PM

<< What do you think?

Jim >>

Some of the Chinese counterfeiters make a partially-dated obverse hub, sink several obverse dies from it and then add whatever digits they need to complete a run of differently-dated dies. The shapes of the added digits are usually wrong, as on this one.

LogPotato · April 14, 2013 12:06PM

Well they have been added to eBay if anyone wants to take a look.

LINK

Tdec1000 · April 14, 2013 1:33PM

They should be shut down... Especially since they know these are fake.

LanceNewmanOCC · April 14, 2013 1:37PM

<< They should be shut down... Especially since they know these are fake. >>

brb, time to put on my moron hat

.

EagleEye · April 14, 2013 3:08PM

Typical -- He's a stamp guy.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 14, 2013 3:29PM

Disgusting attempt at emulating our U.S. Mint.

LanceNewmanOCC · April 21, 2013 9:33AM

.
whom was it that offered the counterfeits at melt?

was it this account or a different one?

just asking because if it was a different account i'd like to add it to my database

thanks
.

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