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MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭
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What do you think?

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    Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭
    I vote fake, the date looks funny and so does the dentils.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Fake. The date and design don't look right.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Could be real with an altered date.
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Real worked on.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a coin I would acquire..... too much in question...Cheers, RickO
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chinese fake.
    TD
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    really fake
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭
    At first I was leaning toward fake, and now altered date, because it looks like arrows (at the date) were removed. What does the reverse look like?
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    CyStaterCyStater Posts: 681 ✭✭✭


    << <i>At first I was leaning toward fake, and now altered date, because it looks like arrows (at the date) were removed. What does the reverse look like? >>

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not a coin I would acquire..... too much in question...Cheers, RickO >>



    +1
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭✭
    FAKE. There are only 327 dentils around the rim. There should be 328.

    Wait . . . I lost track of where I started. Have to count 'em again.


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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fake, the date and other things look totally bogus,
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    Kaline6Kaline6 Posts: 345 ✭
    I'm no expert but the smile looks retooled and the stars are kind of a mess.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks so bad, doesn't really matter if real or fake, but I'd say fake. Let's see the reverse.

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    SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    Genuine and significant alterations were done.
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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are the rest that were offered. They were all offered at a bit above melt.

    Jim

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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh yea - the barber halves were all S mint except the 1904 and they were offered at $15 a piece...

    Jim
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    410a410a Posts: 1,325 ✭
    Real.......really wouldn't want the coin.
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    coachbedfordcoachbedford Posts: 189
    As for the 1849, I wouldn't rule out alterations on the date, but other than that, looks absolutely genuine to me. Some harsh cleaning (and possible date alteration) but unless it was being sold from China, I wouldn't suspect a fake. Geez, EVERY coin out there can't be fake!
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    all fake....

    Tom

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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was thinking they were all fake myself. The barber halves had a similar look to them which made me suspicious along with the ridiculously low price. They were a craig's list item and were gone before I could see them in person but the dollar coin was listed as coming out of a bezel and severely scratched. I was wondering if anyone had seen Chinese fakes like this in a group. The person selling them wasn't going to make very much money so it seemed odd to sell them like that.

    Jim
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All fake.

    The second batch might look like worn genuine coins to the untrained eye, but the real problem is they were made from casts of genuine coins that lost the highest details of the designs. As for the offer of these pieces at "near melt" you might want to check the price of steel. Chinese are making a lot of their bogus coins out of that instead of silver to save money and allow them to offer bogus Morgan dollars at the flea markets for $30 or $32 apiece.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake.
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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Totally fake junk.image

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    Taylor101Taylor101 Posts: 275


    << <i>Could be real with an altered date. >>


    Exactly what I was thinking!
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    LewyLewy Posts: 594 ✭
    If that draped bust half is not counterfeit, then it is a new, yet undiscovered and unique variety (probably worth tens of thousands).
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    AmigoAmigo Posts: 966 ✭

    I lean heavily towards fake.

    I've ran into countless low lifes's selling fakes on craigslist. They always have a story "These belonged to my grandpa, Idk anything else about them " blah blah blah
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,830 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Could be real with an altered date. >>


    Exactly what I was thinking!
    Taylor >>



    No, I've seen those kinds of crude digits on other Chinese fakes. The Chinese made an entire set of Seated Dollars that they marketed in a fake Dansco album. Beth Diesher had set that she showed a FUN show several years ago.

    Who knows? May the dumb cluck who made the die for that "seated dollar" put arrows at the date that someone scraped off. It would not be the first time that the Chinese mint made some that never existed before, like an 1886-CC dollar.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,957 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you think?

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    Jim >>



    Some of the Chinese counterfeiters make a partially-dated obverse hub, sink several obverse dies from it and then add whatever digits they need to complete a run of differently-dated dies. The shapes of the added digits are usually wrong, as on this one.
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    CircOnlyCircOnly Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭✭
    Well they have been added to eBay if anyone wants to take a look.

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    Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭
    They should be shut down... Especially since they know these are fake.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They should be shut down... Especially since they know these are fake. >>


    brb, time to put on my moron hat image
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Typical -- He's a stamp guy.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Disgusting attempt at emulating our U.S. Mint. image

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    whom was it that offered the counterfeits at melt?

    was it this account or a different one?

    just asking because if it was a different account i'd like to add it to my database

    thanks
    .

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