I know it's been dipped, but ...
BillJones
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I know it's been dipped, but if it looks like it did the day it dropped from the dies 100+ years ago, does it matter?
Here is a case in point. This 1838 No Drapery dime must of have been dipped. Otherwise how could it be this white? So far as the coin goes I imagine that this piece looked like this the day it was struck. Adding to the fun is that fact that I have owned this coin for six years, and it has not toned in the holder.
So why is the dipping so bad? Care to comment? I have more examples.
Here is a case in point. This 1838 No Drapery dime must of have been dipped. Otherwise how could it be this white? So far as the coin goes I imagine that this piece looked like this the day it was struck. Adding to the fun is that fact that I have owned this coin for six years, and it has not toned in the holder.
So why is the dipping so bad? Care to comment? I have more examples.
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I know it has been dipped. But it is one of the flashiest, most lustrous CBH's I've seen. I'm okay with it.
Lance.
This was part of the Don Willis Premium Collection, auctioned by B&M in 11/07 (lot 2242). Brilliant, full luster with satiny surfaces. Sharp strike and free of any distracting abrasions. Wonderful eye appeal.
Lance.
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again we must assume it has been dipped, and yet it had to have been done right since it is fully lusterous. >>
It's pretty hard to improperly dip a coin. As long as you don't leave it in solution for hours on end, the solution won't continue to remove metal beyond the toned portion. "Overdipping" is a misnomer. If I took a blast white silver dollar, and dipped it 10 times in EZest over the span of 10 minutes, it would pretty much look identical to how it did before.
Instead, the issue is when people dip coins that ought not to be dipped---when the toning is too heavy, or when the coin has retoned after a prior dipping. Stripping the surface of a thick oxidized layer will expose the effected metal flow lines (or in the case of PL coins, the underlying mirrors). This is when you see the hazy, milky, dull, "dipped out" look.
What I'm getting at is, if you're looking to dip a coin to blast white, the results are often pre-determined, so long as you rinse very well at the end. The coin will either dip out well, or it won't, and immediately subsequent dips to a blast white surface won't do much of anything.
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again we must assume it has been dipped, and yet it had to have been done right since it is fully lusterous. >>
It's pretty hard to improperly dip a coin. As long as you don't leave it in solution for hours on end, the solution won't continue to remove metal beyond the toned portion. "Overdipping" is a misnomer. If I took a blast white silver dollar, and dipped it 10 times in EZest over the span of 10 minutes, it would pretty much look identical to how it did before.
Instead, the issue is when people dip coins that ought not to be dipped---when the toning is too heavy, or when the coin has retoned after a prior dipping. Stripping the surface of a thick oxidized layer will expose the effected metal flow lines (or in the case of PL coins, the underlying mirrors). This is when you see the hazy, milky, dull, "dipped out" look.
What I'm getting at is, if you're looking to dip a coin to blast white, the results are often pre-determined, so long as you rinse very well at the end. The coin will either dip out well, or it won't, and immediately subsequent dips to a blast white surface won't do much of anything. >>
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<< <i>Dipping is bad only to those purists who have made the personal decision that they will not accept coins which have been subjected to the process. Of course, many do, unknowingly, because done correctly, it will not be detectable. Cheers, RickO >>
Agreed
Now, I tend to avoid them. Is it because my tastes have changed? Have I been swayed by public opinion?
Probably a combination of things. If I collect long enough, I may once again seek out such coins.
At this point in my collecting career, I just can't get past the fact that"They shouldn't look like that"
Bill, you are a more advanced collector than I am and I value your opinion. What do you like?
If able to choose between two identical coins, with one more natural looking, Which would you choose?
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again we must assume it has been dipped, and yet it had to have been done right since it is fully lusterous. >>
Realone, that is beautiful!...not that the others in this thread aren't because they are but holy smokes!
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
Hoard the keys.
Anyway, if you like a dipped coin, why not buy it? Personally, I tend not to like them, but that's just me.
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<< <i>Dipping is bad only to those purists who have made the personal decision that they will not accept coins which have been subjected to the process. Of course, many do, unknowingly, because done correctly, it will not be detectable. Cheers, RickO >>
It's detectable just by virtue of being blast white after 100 years.
<< <i>I just sent 5 ASE s PR70s in to our host with spots. They came back with no spots..How did they do that?
Replaced the coins??? I didn't think milk spots were able to be removed. I did the same ATS and they told me they were buying the coins in the market and would replace my coins.
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<< <i>I just sent 5 ASE s PR70s in to our host with spots. They came back with no spots..How did they do that?
Replaced the coins??? I didn't think milk spots were able to be removed. I did the same ATS and they told me they were buying the coins in the market and would replace my coins. >>
Something about this isn't right, assuming it's true. It really shouldn't matter for modern 70 stuff, I guess. And most collectors probably wouldn't mind. But it feels a little underhanded if it is done without the owner's permission.
Suppose there was some special attachment to the coin...it was a gift from a dear friend who passed on, e.g.?
And what would prevent the TPG from being a little generous about the grade on the replacement coin. Not many collectors can tell a 69 from a 70, and the 69 is often much less expensive.
Lance.
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again we must assume it has been dipped, and yet it had to have been done right since it is fully lusterous. >>
It's pretty hard to improperly dip a coin. As long as you don't leave it in solution for hours on end, the solution won't continue to remove metal beyond the toned portion. "Overdipping" is a misnomer. If I took a blast white silver dollar, and dipped it 10 times in EZest over the span of 10 minutes, it would pretty much look identical to how it did before.
Instead, the issue is when people dip coins that ought not to be dipped---when the toning is too heavy, or when the coin has retoned after a prior dipping. Stripping the surface of a thick oxidized layer will expose the effected metal flow lines (or in the case of PL coins, the underlying mirrors). This is when you see the hazy, milky, dull, "dipped out" look.
What I'm getting at is, if you're looking to dip a coin to blast white, the results are often pre-determined, so long as you rinse very well at the end. The coin will either dip out well, or it won't, and immediately subsequent dips to a blast white surface won't do much of anything. >>
I agree with most of what you say except if you take a coin and dip it a bunch of times it will strip the metal and leave hairlines. Especially a proof coin. It is not a misnomer.
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<< <i>I just sent 5 ASE s PR70s in to our host with spots. They came back with no spots..How did they do that?
Replaced the coins??? I didn't think milk spots were able to be removed. I did the same ATS and they told me they were buying the coins in the market and would replace my coins. >>
Something about this isn't right, assuming it's true. It really shouldn't matter for modern 70 stuff, I guess. And most collectors probably wouldn't mind. But it feels a little underhanded if it is done without the owner's permission.
Suppose there was some special attachment to the coin...it was a gift from a dear friend who passed on, e.g.?
And what would prevent the TPG from being a little generous about the grade on the replacement coin. Not many collectors can tell a 69 from a 70, and the 69 is often much less expensive.
Lance. >>
The TPG referred to in my post called me and asked which I would prefer...a replacement coin, FMV for the coin, or regrade of the coin at a lower grade and the difference in FMV refunded. They were 2006 20th ASE's (RP's and PF's)...I chose the replacement. Sorry for not being clearer but we were OT as it was....
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<< <i>I just sent 5 ASE s PR70s in to our host with spots. They came back with no spots..How did they do that?
Replaced the coins??? I didn't think milk spots were able to be removed. I did the same ATS and they told me they were buying the coins in the market and would replace my coins. >>
Something about this isn't right, assuming it's true. It really shouldn't matter for modern 70 stuff, I guess. And most collectors probably wouldn't mind. But it feels a little underhanded if it is done without the owner's permission.
Suppose there was some special attachment to the coin...it was a gift from a dear friend who passed on, e.g.?
And what would prevent the TPG from being a little generous about the grade on the replacement coin. Not many collectors can tell a 69 from a 70, and the 69 is often much less expensive.
Lance. >>
The TPG referred to in my post called me and asked which I would prefer...a replacement coin, FMV for the coin, or regrade of the coin at a lower grade and the difference in FMV refunded. They were 2006 20th ASE's (RP's and PF's)...I chose the replacement. Sorry for not being clearer but we were OT as it was.... >>
I would have no problem with that. It would be the correct thing to do. I thought you were suggesting that maybe our host did this without the knowledge and approval of the owner.
Lance.