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Duke's Creek Dahlonega $5 Collection for Sale

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
Yes, there was another thread, but "creek" was spelled like "freak", and for future reference, I thought the coin forum should have a searchable thread for future reference*. There were also some non-productive tangents re: photography that detracted from that thread. I have recently conversed with an expert who has intimate knowledge of the coins, and he provided me with some additional information and insight.

Many of the coins have upgraded from the prior 8-10 year old (or even older) PCGS grades as NGC has recently regraded and holdered the set. As I argued that the NGC grades were "looser", the counterargument is that the PCGS grades might have been "too tight", and either argument can be effectively made and never sufficiently resolved. What is indisputable is that these coins are the finest of the finest of Dahlonega coins, with many pedigreed into the early 20th century, and some even traceable back to the late 1800's. Nearly all coins have been held in major named collections of both specialists and generalists. Unlike some of the Duke's Creek $1's and $2.50's, these coins have not been mistreated. Suffice to say, if I were forunate enough to have $1.75M to spend on coins, I would buy this collection in a heartbeat.

Link to Duke's Creek $5 collection

Who wouldn't want to own this Bad Boy?

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(* I was also annoyed that joebb beat me to the punch on a major Dahlonega gold news story)

Comments

  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
    Nevermind.. I see it's for sale as a set.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there archives available for the 2004 sale?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are there archives available for the 2004 sale? >>



    If you are referring to the sale of the $1's and $2.50's, they were sold in a Heritage spring ANA sale in April, 2006.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Buy the set, RYK. There's always another time to remodel the kitchen image
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Are there archives available for the 2004 sale? >>



    If you are referring to the sale of the $1's and $2.50's, they were sold in a Heritage spring ANA sale in April, 2006. >>



    I know about that sale, but I was referring to the 2004 sale as I want to compare the coins in 2004 and 2012.

    The 2006 and 2004 sale had different NGC cert numbers.

    The 2012 and 2004 sale have the same NGC cert numbers. Between 2004 and 2012, of the 4 coins I was able to match, NGC gave one a * while the other three had identical grades.

    I was hoping Mid-American Rare Coin Gallery would have the 2004 archives because they handled the 2004 sale and are now running the 2012 sale.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭✭
    interesting
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw this collection at the 2013 Winter FUN show. The price was 7 figures then. There are some remarkable coins in this set, but I would advise anyone who is not good at grading gold coins to seek some professional advice before you buy it.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are some great coins.
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners. :smile:
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's the kind of collection you look at and say...ok. wrap them up please. if you have the $$$$$$$.



    sigh.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's well known that these coins have been conserved. Darn shame!
  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's well known that these coins have been conserved. Darn shame! >>

    I am not sure that to be true for the Half Eagles but I could be wrong. What someone did to the dollars was just awful. With that said, I do believe RYK was high bidder on the 57-D dollar back in 2006. Pedigreed to Eliasberg and unmolested if memory serves me correctly.

    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's been 4.5 years since this post.

    The set still looks like it's available.

    Has it been sold yet?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 11:53AM

    It seems like they are selling them 1 coin at a time. The set originally had 27 coins and 12 are still available.

    Duke’s Creek Collection of Dahlonega Half Eagles
    The Duke’s Creek Collection was carefully assembled over many years by the late Jack Hancock and Bob Harwell with the choicest pieces from three significant collections of Dahlonega gold. It comprises a complete set of Dahlonega Mint issues, and virtually every coin is the finest known or nearly so.
    Mid-American Rare Coin Galleries,in association with Hancock & Harwell, first handled the Duke's Creek Collection in 2004. The entire collection was certified by Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC), and the one dollar through three dollar pieces were subsequently sold individually at auction. The half eagles remained intact,however, and were purchased by a serious collector.
    This collector has now selected Mid-American Rare Coin Galleries to handle the sale of the 27 half eagles from the Duke's Creek Collection.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The price was $1,7 million dolllars when I saw that Dahlonega $5 set at the 2013 FUN show. There were still some great coins in it, but my comment about seeking professional grading advice applied to several pieces that had been messed up in my opinion by "conservation efforts." As Boosibri said, "Darn shame!"

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:

    @RYK said:
    Yes, there was another thread, but "creek" was spelled like "freak", and for future reference, I thought the coin forum should have a searchable thread for future reference*. There were also some non-productive tangents re: photography that detracted from that thread. I have recently conversed with an expert who has intimate knowledge of the coins, and he provided me with some additional information and insight.

    Many of the coins have upgraded from the prior 8-10 year old (or even older) PCGS grades as NGC has recently regraded and holdered the set. As I argued that the NGC grades were "looser", the counterargument is that the PCGS grades might have been "too tight", and either argument can be effectively made and never sufficiently resolved. What is indisputable is that these coins are the finest of the finest of Dahlonega coins, with many pedigreed into the early 20th century, and some even traceable back to the late 1800's. Nearly all coins have been held in major named collections of both specialists and generalists. Unlike some of the Duke's Creek $1's and $2.50's, these coins have not been mistreated. Suffice to say, if I were forunate enough to have $1.75M to spend on coins, I would buy this collection in a heartbeat.

    Link to Duke's Creek $5 collection

    Who wouldn't want to own this Bad Boy?

    (* I was also annoyed that joebb beat me to the punch on a major Dahlonega gold news story)

    Why are you helping to push these coins and give a recommendation to buy them?

    Why are you putting words in my mouth?

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone know why this collection was graded exclusively by NGC?

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    Anyone know why this collection was graded exclusively by NGC?

    The frank answer is some misguided soul thought that "conserving" the coins and shipping them to NGC to get higher grades would enhance the value. That strategy took them in the opposite direction.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad about the 'conserved' gold coins.... such a shame.... I am a gold coin lover, but some sins are not forgivable.... Cheers, RickO

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2017 4:22PM

    I remember when the Al Adams Gold rush collection came up for sale. I happen to be in auction lot viewing that day looking at John Hugons Barbers. I remember thinking how the barber's for the most part were maxed out and upgraded to the kilt before the sae, but the old green gold from the g rush sale was unmolested, extremely nice and undergraded by large margins in some cases. I was not into gold at the time, but darn they were nice compared to the holdered grades on the other stuff in auction. I had herd from some folks later that some of those coins upgraded a ton.

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