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2 1944 WLHs guess the grades & guess which one sold for almost 10x more

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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    2nd one. The first one has the pox or something.....all those black spots.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mkman123 said:
    2nd one. The first one has the pox or something.....all those black spots.

    What grades would you give them?

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2018 8:13PM

    Both look MS 67.

    I like the first one the best.

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    bigmountainlionbigmountainlion Posts: 203 ✭✭✭

    MS67+ and MS68 ? If there are more MS68, the price would fall a lot.

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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those are horrible images.

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the bottome one !!! :)

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2nd coin has super clean obverse but reeding marks on the wing.
    Both look 67/67+ to me.
    The first coin looks almost AT from the images provided but the images are not the best, as @Justacommeman said.

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will guess that both are in 66 holders and one sold for 67 money. Hard to say which as the 2nd is the nicer coin but those 4 hits on the wing are quite visible. I'll still guess 2nd one got 67 money.

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    JBNJBN Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First one has a lot of this and that noise on the reverse. The obverse features a nice strike and clear fields. Has the great color. MS67 on the color/in spite of reverse noise.
    Second one looks wonderful and seems to exhibit a real original 'skin'. Sort of looks like the lone MS68 that sold for oodles of money (I think near $100K) several years ago when first made. However, I get the sense that both coins have the same grade for your question's premise. MS67 on the second one, and it sold for the big bucks.

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    batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:

    @mkman123 said:
    2nd one. The first one has the pox or something.....all those black spots.

    What grades would you give them?

    67

    67+really nice piece, though imo not 10X as nice especially a common date.

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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭

    The second coin looks like an "all there" MS68. The top coin a 66+.

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    batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @batumi said:

    @KollectorKing said:

    @mkman123 said:
    2nd one. The first one has the pox or something.....all those black spots.

    What grades would you give them?

    67

    67+really nice piece, though imo not 10X as nice especially a common date.

    I will add that the strike along with eye appeal-at least if I were looking for a '44-are awesome. I definitely would ante up quite a bit more for #2.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,153 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm guessing the second one has the slightly higher grade and much higher resulting price.

    Also why I don't play in the late date mega grade arena.....too little difference for a lot more money, though this has been narrowing considerably. And with grade-flation some of my old 65's may be today's 66's.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First coin has a print in the right field. The chatter holds it to MS 66. The second coin looks flawless and uniform. They don't grade these MS 68 like...........ever so MS 67 + be my guess.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would guess they both were awarded MS66.... and the second one, being more 'flashy', sold for the larger sum. Cheers, RickO

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2018 7:12AM

    Both coins are MS68


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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2018 7:28AM

    @KollectorKing said:


    Sold $109K, 8/10.

    I remember that coin and was going to mention it......the PCGS 68 is a pop one coin while the NGC is not....it is a pop 2 and not in the right plastic for some. I still like the NGC coin and BOTH look 68 imho. There were audible gasps on the auction floor, as the price skyrocketed to almost $110K for the PC coin. It is now in the #1 PCGS registry short set.

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look at all that chatter on the pcgs skirt. Thats not what a 68 should look like IMO. Big baller must have submitted that.

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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    WHAT!!! The PCGS one is MS68? Look at the skirt area............lol oh my. HA did a good job sort of hiding it with their pic as you can't even see the skirt hits that well

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2018 1:25PM

    To defend one side of the coin, it doesnt look like those are bag marks on the wing after all. Just shadows on the feather curves. But still, the skirt is bad. I think the other NGC 68 is the best of the 3. But it has problems too.

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2018 1:27PM

    @mkman123 if you and I posted those coins in 66 holders asking if they had a shot at 67 we'd be laughed at.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the big baller theory. Both coins have hits that rule MS 68 out if I'm grading them.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fingerprint hurt the NGC coin, but I agree, both are over graded. 68 means maybe 1 tiny mark I thought. Both are very nice though.

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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭

    Both are a grade too high.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a lot of money for a very common coin.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    That's a lot of money for a very common coin.

    Even the NGC coin sold for mucho mas dinero!! :o

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    drfishdrfish Posts: 938 ✭✭✭✭

    From the images , I don’t find either coin appealing

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2018 8:32AM

    I wonder what each coin is worth in the current market. I bet both have depreciated.

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hard to compare when you use the Heritage picture Dead giveaway

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    batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I wonder what each coin is worth in the current market. I bet both have depreciated.

    I would be curious. My bet would be quite a lot even though I really like the pcgs coin, probably not near enough to spark my interest.

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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    20 years ago, the second coin would not have been put into a 6 holder because of the skirt lines. This is killing the hobby.

    The white balance is off on the NGC coin, so I can't see it as clearly as the PC coin.

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    AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread really makes me want to resubmit this. Especially if those are "MS68", (and skirt chatter is acceptable).




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