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  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There have been a hand full of upgrades and additions made in several sets. Although, I did not see anything that stood out in the last few days. John and Del must have caught up on the good stuff. Anyone have anything to add, please feel free.

    Last couple days I have been looking at the POPs and availability of early $5 proofs. Most dates are impossible. This may be something to discuss in future postings.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    What coins should DLH purchase in the next two days of Auctions?

    Any ideas!

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2018 4:28PM

    How about the MS-67+ FBL CAC Franklin 50c bid at 100K?

  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    @Perfection said:
    What coins should DLH purchase in the next two days of Auctions?

    Any ideas!

    He needs the Bust half mega rarity in the 1817/4, maybe he'll go for it considering the finest AU example is in very strong hands.

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    will this thread ever end?????

    Just do another Hot Topics article. The party will move to a new thread.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    It’s your auction and you are reading this blog!
    Any bids from DLH you care to reveal?

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    How about the MS-67+ FBL CAC Franklin 50c bid at 100K?

    Can someone share some light on this coin? Legend estimated to realize $15,000.00 - $17,500.00. I know it has a sticker, but what else am I missing? Did Legend under estimated this coin?

    https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/43537837/50c-1958-pcgs-ms67--fbl-cac/?q=&ref=watch-list

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    It’s amazing. Top,three sales of all time. 82k 65k. 44k. I think

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    I,was at 25k all in!

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it is lot 172, it is bid at $110k right now

    Doug
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Yes but that if you take all five of them

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lot #172 is the lot to watch. So, did Legend way underestimate the toning premium????

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    She’s not a specialist on Franklin’s?

  • 10000lakes10000lakes Posts: 811 ✭✭✭✭

    So what would it have been worth as a 66+, maybe $1,000?
    Cert# is no longer valid, but the image is still listed.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2018 8:38PM

    Top pop + monster color is a great combo. Here's the current TrueView at MS67+ FBL CAC.

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2018 8:43PM

    Congratulations to the successful bidder for the 1958 PR67+ Franklin. The highest auction result for a 67 FB was $3643 and this coin sells for $110,000 plus juice. So was the toning premium of $118,000 a record toning premium? And what about the underbidder.........pretty sure RickO was not in on this one. LOL

    But DLH has an excellent set of PR IHC's that are toned.

    OINK

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2018 8:52PM

    17.50% BP so $129,250.00.

    Who said the coin market isn't strong?

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Every one was stunned. BUT this WAS the FINEST toner any one had ever seen.

    Our estimate--was off. oops.

    Delloy has agreed to be call THE GREATEST CRAZIEST COLLECTOR EVER (JB will tell us if I heard wrong), or an aspiring collector. He knows how I feel about him being called the THE greatest collector ever.

    Delloy did roll in for our special party but could not stay. He bid from his plane

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    Delloy has agreed to be call THE GREATEST CRAZIEST COLLECTOR EVER (JB will tell us if I heard wrong), or an aspiring collector. He knows how I feel about him being called the THE greatest collector ever.

    Did he have a problem being called THE greatest collector ever? ;)

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2018 2:44AM

    .

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2018 3:20PM

    Who wrote the auction catalogue for the 1958? Let's be brutally honest. Everything about the coin's color and eye appeal in the catalogue is in the ballpark. No disagreement here. As for needing magnification....

    Take away the color of this coin and there are at least a half dozen large bagmarks and a scrape on the bust. A textbook low end MS-66 with a bump (the +) for color. I guess that was its original grade at one time.

    As for FBL...it is very fortunate that PCGS decided to change the requirement of a FBL from both bands to only the bottom set. Unfortunately, if that were not the requirement of today, the hit across the upper bands would disqualify this coin for the FBL designation.

    Note that both the winner, underbidder, and all the bids over $4K have disproved my assessment of the coin.

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did Hansen buy the 1858 Franklin?

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does Mr. Hansen and his representative ever purchase raw coins, and after the purchase submit them for grading?

    Or are only slab

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or are only slabbed coins purchased?

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Does Mr. Hansen and his representative ever purchase raw coins, and after the purchase submit them for grading?

    Or are only slab

    DLRC buys raw coins, sure. We don't buy coins to pursue cracking them out for upgrades though.

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Small fish swimming by here, I’m doing my own Hansen watch. Viva Variety. He has been catching up. Photographic evidence for Aspie Rocco posterity, I was once leading “The Hansen”

    Seriously though, Cool thread folks, amazing information and coin art.

  • earlycoinsearlycoins Posts: 282 ✭✭✭

    The gentleman has impeccable taste.

  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @earlycoins said:
    The gentleman has impeccable taste.

    "I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best." - Oscar Wilde

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For all you who wonder, I hung w/Delloy in LV. He tolerates me.....

    We did agree on The Finest Craziest Collector.....(JB can tell you).

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice post on the 1864-S. I wouldn't put much importance on the $6000 pcgs price guide. The coin is so rare that it rarely trades and there is almost no auction data for lower graded coins. I think the $6000 for a G-4 is way too low and Doug's price represents a fair value for such a coin. The pcgs guide price looked pretty random

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is the little black arrow imbedded in the middle arrowhead?

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I ran thru the first several pages and have not seen a post
    from @Analyst Greg Roberts. I thought a thread like
    this would bring out some comments from him.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tibor said:
    I ran thru the first several pages and have not seen a post
    from @Analyst Greg Roberts. I thought a thread like
    this would bring out some comments from him.

    You mean Greg Reynolds? :smile:

  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes . I'm sorry. I did mean Greg Reynolds.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reynolds is nothing more then a self promoter. I think and hope he was forced to hide. He has NO cred among any major respected dealers.

    Now please, back to Delloy! I can tell you, he will have several NEWPS to post shortly.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    What is the little black arrow imbedded in the middle arrowhead?

    Interesting. Was it mentioned in the auction as it is definitely a punch mark., Possibly an ID mark made by a previous owner? Never saw a "chop" as this one.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tibor said:
    I ran thru the first several pages and have not seen a post
    from @Analyst Greg Roberts. I thought a thread like
    this would bring out some comments from him.

    He was last here on July 11, 2018. I hope everything is ok.

  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2018 12:24PM

    @specialist said:
    Reynolds is nothing more then a self promoter. I think and hope he was forced to hide. He has NO cred among any major respected dealers.

    Now please, back to Delloy! I can tell you, he will have several NEWPS to post shortly.

    I disagree. I think Reynolds is/was a great numismatic writer and has plenty of support in the industry.

    Why are you now reporting on his NEWPs?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2018 3:51PM

    @Currin said:
    1866 "No Motto" Dollar Proof Only (2 Minted, Unique Private Coin in Simpson Collection)

    I'm curious why this is included. I thought this is considered a fantasy pattern which has been cataloged as Judd-540:

    The famous 1866 "No Motto" dollar. This is a fantasy coin, deliberately struck for Robert Coulton Davis probably circa 1869 or in the early 1870s.

    http://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j540p605.html

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    1864-S $5 AG3 CAC Cert 35961185 PCGS POP 1/16 (Survival 32)

    This rare San Francisco half eagle is well worn, but does have CAC sticker. This purchase was called by jonruns on Sept 2nd of this month. In knowing that DLH needed this coin, he noticed that Doug Winter Numismatics sent out an email of their ANA purchases which included an 1864-S $5 PCGS/CAC AG03. Being the coin was not listed the next day in the NEWP as he expected, it made him wonder. He contacted DW and was told the coin had been purchased. Well now we know who purchased it. Great investigate work Jon.

    The coin did eventually appear on DWN website. A sold total was posted on the website, the coin realized $12,500. To make matters more interesting, there is not a PCGS Price Guide value for the AG3. The next coin up, G4 is valued at only $6000. DLH paid doubled the amount for a lower graded specimen. There is no identified history on the coin. Although DWN states: This piece is fresh to the market and it comes from a collection which has been put away for decades. As for the condition, he says, If we used split grades to designate coins; I’d call this a VG8 obverse/AG3 reverse. It is extensively worn but totally problem-free with attractive warm natural russet color and problem-free surfaces.

    As with other coins, the story to tell for this addition is the count toward the Eliasberg Quest. Also, the coin falls short in matching Eliasberg’s coin. His specimen had an estimated grade of XF45. The specimen was Ex. Atwater; Mehl (1946). The coin was sold by Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 price realized $2,530

    Provenance: Doug Winter Numismatics

    1864-S $5 AG3 CAC Lowest PGGS Graded Specimen

    This is a great story. Love hearing about how this collection is being built!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Legend Regency Double Feature

    Hansen picked up two of Laura’s beautiful little ladies from the Regency Auction 28 this week. The two half dimes are replacements in the early proof collection. One of the coins is a PCGS POP 1/0 and the other is an exceptional Pop 2/1.

    The coins do not have a history listed by Legend. Only a brief hint is given in one of the coins description: This coin has never sold in auction before. It is fresh to the market. Both specimens have lovely toning and are CAC labeled. They replaced coins in Hansen’s collection there were of high grade and Condition Census coins. This is a good example of not only are low and mid-grade coins are being upgraded, but also very nice specimens are being replaced when better coins become available.

    1849 Half Dime PR66 CAC Cert 35147640 PCGS POP 1/0 – Replaces 1849 PCGS PR65 POP 1/1

    This is the Finest 1849 that have been encapsulated by PCGS. The mintage for this proof is published to be 15. Coin Facts places the survival to be 10. There are only three coins certified by PCGS, and they are a single PR64, PR65, and PR66. The Hansen collection presently has the PR65 and PR66 specimens. I will not claim the PR66 to be the finest. There are three 1849 Half Dimes certified NGC, with one of them being a PF66 CA. This would be the Kaufman-Eliasberg specimen. The NGC PF66 is the only 1849 that has been certified as Cameo. I think the argument could be made that the NGC is the finest of all specimens.

    Legend described the coin as: This example is among the FINEST known, with just the Eliasberg coin graded NGC PR66 CAM sitting with this GEM at the top of known specimens. The mirrors are highly reflective and beam from under the magnificent, rich blue toning. The eye appeal is exceptional in every way. The watery fields are devoid of any post minting distractions; the only thing we can find on this coin is a lint mark from die polishing at 12:00 on the obverse. The devices are very sharply struck up and the eye appeal of this beautiful coin cannot be beat by any of the other survivors. The mintage was a paltry 10-15 and the number that survive is miniscule. As one of the FINEST, this coin belongs in a world class cabinet. The Pittman coin set a record for the issue, as a "raw" GEM PROOF in October 1997, when it sold for $38,500. The Eliasberg coin, when it sold as part of the Kaufman Collection in 2008 realized $48,875. This SUPERB GEM is a real prize for the advanced collector and we can see a record being shattered when this one crosses the block. This is a VERY RARE opportunity!

    This purchase did set a new record for this proof half dime. Legend estimated the coin to sell for $45,000 - $50,000. When the dust settled, the coin realized $52,875.

    Provenance: Legend Rare Coins

    1849 Half Dime PCGS PR66 CAC - A SUPERB example of this VERY RARE Proof Half dime (LRCA)

    Kaufman-Eliasberg specimen PR66CA Specimen

    1866 Half Dime PR67 CAM CAC Cert 35588497 PCGS POP 2/1– Replaces 1849 PCGS PR67 POP 2/3

    The 1866 Proof half Dime is not as rare as her 1849 sister. But she is special in her own way. This is not the finest specimen certified by PCGS, but still (in Legend words) stunning. They describe as Stunning SUPERB GEM! This coin is tied for second FINEST KNOWN 1866 (behind a PR67 DCAM). The mintage for this proof is published to be a whopping 725. Coin Facts places the survival to be 550. So as early proofs go, this is not a rarity. The coin that Hansen replaced was PR67. I will include the picture of the coin being replaced for you to compare.

    Legend described the coin as: Outstanding mirrors seem like those you would find on a proof Morgan, not a small Half Dime; they are super deep and beam boldly from all over, offering crystal clear reflection. A vibrant mix of original champagne/gold/pale reddish gold/blue colors swirl all over. Miss Liberty and every detail are so fully struck and are covered with such a thick frost they look like they were sculpted from a block of frosted ice. The eye appeal is powerful! This coin has never sold in auction before. It is fresh to the market. There is a Collectors Universe Value of $11,000. The other PCGS/CAC example realized $11,163 in our January 2018 Regency Auction. If you are building the ultimate GEM Proof Half Dime set, or just love Top Pop rarities, this coin is for you!

    Legend estimated the coin to sell for $7,250 - $8,000. The coin realized $ 8,518.75. The Auction record is $19,975 for a PCGS PR67DC that sold in 2015 by Heritage Auctions. This is a blast white specimen. Hansen’s specimen is toned. I have included all specimens for you to compare. Do you like the blast white better?

    Provenance: Legend Rare Coins

    Hansen’s 1866 Half Dime PCGS PR67 CAM CAC - Superb Gem

    Hansen’s Duplicate 1866 Half Dime PCGS PR67

    Finest Known 1866 Half Dime PR67 DC – Blast White

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2018 5:10PM

    Finest Known 1866 Half Dime PR67 DC – Blast White

    Wow, that looks like a pattern in that condition!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2018 7:10PM

    The 1849 PR-66 (V-8) is the Pittman coin:
    PR-66 2017 NGC 3319303-001 Pittman
    PR-66 2015-8 Heritage $19,388 NGC 4203001-001 Pittman
    PR-65 1997-9 Akers $38,500 Pittman

    This is hinted at in the description, and it's straightforward to match the image to the 2015-8 Heritage photos.

    I list 5 different 1849 V-8 proof half dimes in my census based on auction records from the past 20 years (especially the census in the Kaufman sale).
    As you mentioned, this one is #2 since the Eliasberg is cameo.
    https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/hdag/1849_half_dime_guide.pdf

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely stunning Pr half dimes. WOW!


    Later, Paul.
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2018 12:53PM

    @Zoins said:

    @Currin said:
    1866 "No Motto" Dollar Proof Only (2 Minted, Unique Private Coin in Simpson Collection)

    I'm curious why this is included. I thought this is considered a fantasy pattern which has been cataloged as Judd-540:

    The famous 1866 "No Motto" dollar. This is a fantasy coin, deliberately struck for Robert Coulton Davis probably circa 1869 or in the early 1870s.

    http://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j540p605.html

    Zions... this is one of those coins that can go in several sets. Yes, in many cases it is considered a pattern. PCGS have a number for both a US regular issue and pattern issue. The PCGS number for the US regular issue is 7009. I don’t remember the pattern number, but there is one. The coin is listed as a required coin in the U.S. Coins Complete Set with Major Varieties, Proof (1801-1964).

    There were some discussions on including this coin back on pages 3 - 4 on this forum. The reason for including was discussed then. Hint; It has to do with the Eliasberg Set. If you did not follow the thread from the begainning, then you have missed a great deal. When you get time, I am sure it would be interesting the read from the begainning... thanks for the question.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stellas are patterns. So are 1856 flying eagle cents

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