Thanks Zion for posting the article. There were several interesting comments that DLH made. One that caught my interest was the disclosure of what his focus will be in the next two years. I think some folks can interpret the statement in a couple different ways.
The second thought. I don’t understand why one of the modern specialist did not offer their services to John and Dell. It appear that was a miss opportunity for someone.
_Regarding major rarities, he'd like to do more watching and study:
“Over the next two years I’d like to research and watch some of the real rarities that come available,” Hansen reflected. “The holy grails to the set don’t come around often, but I’d like to research these further and learn more about the coins before pursuing them.”_
Sometimes, opportunity is more important than price...
Research is what Bruce and "The Kid" RSD do. Not only can they tell you every nuance of a coin, these 2 know exactly where every specimen that exists is. Its a very rare quality I do NOT see often. I can tell you, I think Private Collector is the same way as Bruce and RSD too.
Delloy is NOT a purist student like these guys. He can't say very much about what he has. BUT that is okay. So long as he enjoys his coins that is all that matters. I'm sure he does read up on them after the fact.
AS TDN is saying, he should have bought the 1804 $1 Bruce has and The 1913 5C (which would have upset me to no end as I wanted it back badly). When these coins come up-you buy them especially if your trying to be Eliasberg. He confuses me sometimes. BUT then Mr Simpson refuses to buy these 2 coins.
@specialist said:
Delloy talks about research. Really??
Research is what Bruce and "The Kid" RSD do. Not only can they tell you every nuance of a coin, these 2 know exactly where every specimen that exists is. Its a very rare quality I do NOT see often. I can tell you, I think Private Collector is the same way as Bruce and RSD too.
Delloy is NOT a purist student like these guys. He can't say very much about what he has. BUT that is okay. So long as he enjoys his coins that is all that matters. I'm sure he does read up on them after the fact.
AS TDN is saying, he should have bought the 1804 $1 Bruce has and The 1913 5C (which would have upset me to no end as I wanted it back badly). When these coins come up-you buy them especially if your trying to be Eliasberg. He confuses me sometimes. BUT then Mr Simpson refuses to buy these 2 coins.
"Dell Loy"
Everyone has their own level of research from @RogerB on down. It's great people can enjoy learning about their coins.
Why does Simpson refuse the 1804 $1 and the 1913 5C?
Because the only reason I can own them is because Dell Loy and Simpson happen to ignore them? If you read the thread, you’ll get it
Or they know when a Honey Badger is in the auction ring........ and that Honey Badger has a voracious appetite for true rarities and the price be damned. Perhaps Simpson and DLH are more rational than the Honey Badger.
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
Totally agree, Mr. Hansen has one of the greatest collections in our lifetime. Doesn’t matter to me who is the “greatest”. Who cares if a given person is missing a handful of coins? They did their best and hopefully are enjoying themselves with their pursuit. That’s like saying who is the greatest baseball player of all time?
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
You misspelled one of the greatest current collector's names again. It's Dell Loy. Not Delloy.
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
We understand that you think that, but thanks for telling us again every day.
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
YOU made your point posts ago, but you keep bringing it up.
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
YOU made your point posts ago, but you keep bringing it up.
There's a difference. I keep responding because I want to read about Dell Loy in a Dell Loy thread
It seems like half this thread is now about promoting other collectors and how they are better.
Also, one point that I'll keep stressing is that she's already acknowledged that she's misspelled his name so can she at least spell it correctly? If not, perhaps use the references she's used in the past like "The Utah Billionaire who now wants to be Eliasberg jr."
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
YOU made your point posts ago, but you keep bringing it up.
There's a difference. I keep responding because I want to read about Dell Loy in a Dell Loy thread
It seems like half this thread is about promoting other collectors and how they are better now.
Also, one point that I'll keep stressing is that she's already acknowledged that she's misspelled his name so can she at least spell it correctly? If not, perhaps use the references she's used in the past like "The Utah Billionaire who now wants to be Eliasberg jr."
I think its fair to write in a Dell Loy thread, what he did not buy and to discuss why he did not buy it. I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Also I think its fair to write here if someone doesnt understand what Dell is doing regarding his plan or strategy. I dont understand it either. It doesnt matter really, but Im allowed to write this.
Last but not least Specialist has a history of writing names wrong, she called Pogue for 2 years Pouge. So its not to humilate Dell, its just how Specialist is.
I guess what you gain by collecting coins since 20 years, like I do, is the appreciation for rarities coming to the market and becoming buyable. I had been collecting coins already for 18 years when Pogue came up for sale and most of his coins I never could buy anything close in these 18 years nor did I even see them. They were like rumors someone could only believe because PCGS pop said so. So when you have waited for 18 years and during this time never expected to buy them during your life time anyways - you understand what appreciation for a rare coin coming to market is.
For these who ask again why I write this in a Dell Loy threat: I guess it makes a difference if you have this 20 years of experience including the waiting or just 2 - 3 years. It probably makes all the difference to be willing to go all in on ultra rarities. If I had been collecting for 2 years only, I would never have bought all the Pogue coins I bought. I would not have been the high bidder.
I guess what you gain by collecting coins since 20 years, like I do, is the appreciation for rarities coming to the market and becoming buyable. I had been collecting coins already for 18 years when Pogue came up for sale and most of his coins I never could buy anything close in these 18 years nor did I even see them. They were like rumors someone could only believe because PCGS pop said so. So when you have waited for 18 years and during this time never expected to buy them during your life time anyways - you understand what appreciation for a rare coin coming to market is.
I agree with you completely. That was exactly my experience. Coins I heard existed but I'd never seen or if I had seen them in much earlier years, getting trounced at auction by the Pogues or others. Seeing them in the Pogue sales was like dreaming of things thought never to be known, let alone own. I knew exactly as a result of this long observation time that the Pogue sales and to a lesser extent the Newman and Gardner sales and Pogue sales needed my attention. Interestingly, there does seem to be significant turnover over the past 10 to 15 years in both 1804 dollars and 1913 Liberty Nickels. Dell Loy might be just fine with his strategy on these particular coins ultimately.
Part of the joy and fun of the hobby is that, even with the sales of Pogue, Newman and Gardner now past, the pop reports show lots of terrific coins still squirreled away somewhere. You just never know what might pop up!!
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
I'm sure losing out on a multi-million dollar long-term revenue stream> @specialist said:
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
@specialist said:
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
No insult to Delloy. Pogue is a diff matter ....
I have confidence you can do it
You have no problem with other names like Eliasberg, Pogue, Bruce, Stewart, etc. In fact, in the past 10 years of following your posts, I don’t recall you ever being bad with names before.
I’m pulling for you!
Regarding being insulted, I almost get the sense you feel insulted when people say Dell Loy is the best (which I haven’t). Is that how you feel?
While you say you’re not insulting Dell Loy, your response to his comment on research came across a bit that way to me.
@TwoKopeiki said:
I'm sure losing out on a multi-million dollar long-term revenue stream> @specialist said:
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
BTW, I do let him know feelings when he sees me. I'm sure he wasn't too happy hearing my yapping at ANA. We do get along. He likes to call me a NYC cab driver....how special.....
I missed nothing by not dealing w/him. He does not fit into my hard core program. With SImpson, Hedgie, Black Cat, RSD, etc we are hunters who most of the time get our prey-nothing less then the finest when possible. He does buy my HOF sets I built tho....
Sorry, Delloy is easier for me....And he can call me what ever he wants!
@TwoKopeiki said:
I'm sure losing out on a multi-million dollar long-term revenue stream> @specialist said:
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
No insult to Delloy. Pogue is a diff matter ....
Del Loy
Dell Loy. 😆
Touche
I do think it's funny how salty she is about this. My little nephew didn't get picked for a team last summer and has been calling the team captain by a nickname ever since. It's just funny to see an adult do it vs a 6 year old.
@FadeToBlack said:
Collecting as a whole isn't down.
My other hobby is Magic: The Gathering.
Holy Sh!t you wanna see price appreciation, look at the high end of the MTG market. Alpha Black Lotus in BGS 9.5 is a $100k card now, and I bet they're $1m+ cards within 15-20 years as there's maybe a handful known. Coulda bought one for sub $30k 4-5 years ago. "Crappy" stuff like Collectors Edition cards, could get a full set for $2k 3 years ago, today that will be over $8k. Even the lower end of the high end Reserved List market is pretty much a consistent ride up with anything on the aforementioned list that has utility basically tripling over the past 2-3 years.
Hobbies/collectables are, to an extent, about nostalgia. Very few individuals in my generation, which is finally attaining some real earning power, are nostalgic about coins. Coins are weak because of generational differences, and the failure to launch of the next generation of the US middle class. The failure of numismatics to engage this market is becoming more and more apparent every day. Thank god for companies like PCGS who constantly push the frontiers of tech in coins, that at least keeps the information accessible and easy to find. Throw in guys like DLH attempting to do something that challenges the historical precedents of the hobby in a measurable and very public way, and maybe you can get some more energy into the markets and get younger people interested.
I have a friend who follows Real Salt Lake and I mentioned their owner was collecting coins... He was interested, I explained more, and now he's joined my coin discord channel (basically IRC on speed). Hook them, engage them, and put them in an environment where they can grow and thrive, and they will. Know how many of my Magic friends just do it to make money? A bunch. When I laugh at them making $10 on a $40 card and tell them I flipped a $40 coin for $250, they get interested. You need to understand your market, engage it, and hopefully convert them, one or two at a time. DLH's adventure is a very public tool you can use to capture imaginations and engage people.
My 21 year old son collects these as well. Collecting is definitely not dead with the younger generation. He plays magic every week. There are magic stores popping up all over the place. People are playing tournaments, trading, buying, selling, etc. I dropped my other son off at college in a small town and we went out to eat and I look across the street on a holiday and see people going in and out of the magic the gathering store. It's hot.
@specialist said:
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
YOU made your point posts ago, but you keep bringing it up.
There's a difference. I keep responding because I want to read about Dell Loy in a Dell Loy thread
It seems like half this thread is about promoting other collectors and how they are better now.
Also, one point that I'll keep stressing is that she's already acknowledged that she's misspelled his name so can she at least spell it correctly? If not, perhaps use the references she's used in the past like "The Utah Billionaire who now wants to be Eliasberg jr."
I think its fair to write in a Dell Loy thread, what he did not buy and to discuss why he did not buy it. I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Also I think its fair to write here if someone doesnt understand what Dell is doing regarding his plan or strategy. I dont understand it either. It doesnt matter really, but Im allowed to write this.
I think that discussion is fair. It's the posts saying other collectors are so much better, research more, have spent so much more money, yada, yada, yada that seem a bit self-serving and also a bit defensive. I'm not sure how that contributes to the conversation other than making one feel better about oneself. But maybe that's enough to hit the post button?
Last but not least Specialist has a history of writing names wrong, she called Pogue for 2 years Pouge. So its not to humilate Dell, its just how Specialist is.
So she can spell correctly. From her recent posts, it does seem like she's simply choosing not to.
This post is not about Specialist's spelling ability. Laura does have a very significant perspective in to the Ultra-Rarities market. Her perspectice relative to most on this forum is mosty not significant relative to those like me, that are not playing in that ball park.
If at sometime in my life that I wanted to spend over a million on a coin, she would be the first I would call. She may not write well, but her numismatic perspective is special.
I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Of course, but maybe "wanting to do more research" was a just a BS answer because he didn't want to share his real reasons? I won't speculate on what DLH might really have been thinking, but it sure seems that way to me.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Sometimes you are just not ready. For example, he purchased the top pop 1/0 PCGS PR69 Trompeter HR, and now people are saying it's not all there. @specialist indicated, but did not specify, some history to this coin, so perhaps he feels he needs to learn more before making major purchases.
Needing a coin isn't like needing oxygen
Of course, but maybe "wanting to do more research" was a just a BS answer because he didn't want to share his real reasons? I won't speculate on what DLH might really have been thinking, but it sure seems that way to me.
Didn’t dell loy go in with someone on the 1854-S $5? Just catching up on this thread but feel like a few posts have mentioned he should have bid on it and I thought he did at least as a partner. Can anyone clear up?
@PhilLynott said:
Didn’t dell loy go in with someone on the 1854-S $5? Just catching up on this thread but feel like a few posts have mentioned he should have bid on it and I thought he did at least as a partner. Can anyone clear up?
DLH was a partner in the purchase of the 1854-S Half Eagle being that he's one DLRC partners, but the next morning after purchasing the coin, DLRC sold the specimen to another buyer.
@PhilLynott said:
Didn’t dell loy go in with someone on the 1854-S $5? Just catching up on this thread but feel like a few posts have mentioned he should have bid on it and I thought he did at least as a partner. Can anyone clear up?
DLH was a partner in the purchase of the 1854-S Half Eagle being that he's one DLRC partners, but the next morning after purchasing the coin, DLRC sold the specimen to another buyer.
@PhilLynott said:
Didn’t dell loy go in with someone on the 1854-S $5? Just catching up on this thread but feel like a few posts have mentioned he should have bid on it and I thought he did at least as a partner. Can anyone clear up?
DLH was a partner in the purchase of the 1854-S Half Eagle being that he's one DLRC partners, but the next morning after purchasing the coin, DLRC sold the specimen to another buyer.
Wrong the 1854S $5. Delloy is not partner. John Albanese bought it from Heritage and then asked JB to join him (I think it was DLRC as the partner not Delloy). The new owner is extremely private about it right now.
DLRC did NOT sell it. John Albanese sold it to someone he regularly deals with.
In other collectibles markets, the provenance of that coin wouldn't get a green light, in my opinion. This thread got me rooting for Dell Loy. I'm glad he passed on it.
@tradedollarnut said:
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
@tradedollarnut said:
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
I’d have passed on the 54-S because the collection can’t be completed without the Pogue 22. Might as well wait for a deal on the pair. And if it never happens, so be it. It doesn’t really matter if you’re one coin short or two.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@tradedollarnut said:
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
I’d have passed on the 54-S because the collection can’t be completed without the Pogue 22. Might as well wait for a deal on the pair. And if it never happens, so be it. It doesn’t really matter if you’re one coin short or two.
@tradedollarnut said:
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
I’d have passed on the 54-S because the collection can’t be completed without the Pogue 22. Might as well wait for a deal on the pair. And if it never happens, so be it. It doesn’t really matter if you’re one coin short or two.
@tradedollarnut said:
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
I’d have passed on the 54-S because the collection can’t be completed without the Pogue 22. Might as well wait for a deal on the pair. And if it never happens, so be it. It doesn’t really matter if you’re one coin short or two.
Or...a significant donation to the Smithsonian
Have they ever let any of their coins go?
I can't answer that question definitively, but I think that I can definitively say that it would be a mistake to think that they might let go of any of their more meaningful coins anytime in the foreseeable future.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Perhaps the price of these coins will go down in the future and he'll be able to buy them for less when they are offered? We'll see what the next decade brings...
Comments
Thanks Zion for posting the article. There were several interesting comments that DLH made. One that caught my interest was the disclosure of what his focus will be in the next two years. I think some folks can interpret the statement in a couple different ways.
The second thought. I don’t understand why one of the modern specialist did not offer their services to John and Dell. It appear that was a miss opportunity for someone.
Great read. Thanks for sharing.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
THANK you. I have even used "Delloy" ignorantly.
I won't again.
_Regarding major rarities, he'd like to do more watching and study:
“Over the next two years I’d like to research and watch some of the real rarities that come available,” Hansen reflected. “The holy grails to the set don’t come around often, but I’d like to research these further and learn more about the coins before pursuing them.”_
Sometimes, opportunity is more important than price...
The man sounds like a typical, serious collector, just more zeros left of the decimal.
Delloy talks about research. Really??
Research is what Bruce and "The Kid" RSD do. Not only can they tell you every nuance of a coin, these 2 know exactly where every specimen that exists is. Its a very rare quality I do NOT see often. I can tell you, I think Private Collector is the same way as Bruce and RSD too.
Delloy is NOT a purist student like these guys. He can't say very much about what he has. BUT that is okay. So long as he enjoys his coins that is all that matters. I'm sure he does read up on them after the fact.
AS TDN is saying, he should have bought the 1804 $1 Bruce has and The 1913 5C (which would have upset me to no end as I wanted it back badly). When these coins come up-you buy them especially if your trying to be Eliasberg. He confuses me sometimes. BUT then Mr Simpson refuses to buy these 2 coins.
BUT then Mr Simpson refuses to buy these 2 coins.
Thank goodness
"Dell Loy"
Everyone has their own level of research from @RogerB on down. It's great people can enjoy learning about their coins.
Why does Simpson refuse the 1804 $1 and the 1913 5C?
Nice coins, but how is this related to the subject of the thread?
Should this have it's own thread?
Because the only reason I can own them is because Dell Loy and Simpson happen to ignore them? If you read the thread, you’ll get it
There, I edited it to make it clearer
Or they know when a Honey Badger is in the auction ring........ and that Honey Badger has a voracious appetite for true rarities and the price be damned. Perhaps Simpson and DLH are more rational than the Honey Badger.
OINK
Dell Loy must be doing something right if people keep wanting to talk about other collectors in a thread about him.
Of course, I love talking about other collectors and collections. It's just interesting that they show up in this thread.
The problem is, Delloy is not doing things right. He goes hot and cold on that. JB has his work cut out. I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
I pop in because I want to make it clear Delloy is one of THE greatest collectors-not the single greatest. He really did some job in 2 years.
Totally agree, Mr. Hansen has one of the greatest collections in our lifetime. Doesn’t matter to me who is the “greatest”. Who cares if a given person is missing a handful of coins? They did their best and hopefully are enjoying themselves with their pursuit. That’s like saying who is the greatest baseball player of all time?
You misspelled one of the greatest current collector's names again. It's Dell Loy. Not Delloy.
If you think about what I wrote, it's about doing things right to get publicity because you and others keep talking about him
Regarding being "the" greatest vs. "one of the" greatest, you made your point pages ago now, but you keep bringing it up while others have moved on. Why do you feel the need to keep bringing it up?
Since you're ok with saying he's one of the greatest, please at least correctly spell the name of one of the greatest collectors.
We understand that you think that, but thanks for telling us again every day.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
YOU made your point posts ago, but you keep bringing it up.
There's a difference. I keep responding because I want to read about Dell Loy in a Dell Loy thread
It seems like half this thread is now about promoting other collectors and how they are better.
Also, one point that I'll keep stressing is that she's already acknowledged that she's misspelled his name so can she at least spell it correctly? If not, perhaps use the references she's used in the past like "The Utah Billionaire who now wants to be Eliasberg jr."
I think its fair to write in a Dell Loy thread, what he did not buy and to discuss why he did not buy it. I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Also I think its fair to write here if someone doesnt understand what Dell is doing regarding his plan or strategy. I dont understand it either. It doesnt matter really, but Im allowed to write this.
Last but not least Specialist has a history of writing names wrong, she called Pogue for 2 years Pouge. So its not to humilate Dell, its just how Specialist is.
I guess what you gain by collecting coins since 20 years, like I do, is the appreciation for rarities coming to the market and becoming buyable. I had been collecting coins already for 18 years when Pogue came up for sale and most of his coins I never could buy anything close in these 18 years nor did I even see them. They were like rumors someone could only believe because PCGS pop said so. So when you have waited for 18 years and during this time never expected to buy them during your life time anyways - you understand what appreciation for a rare coin coming to market is.
For these who ask again why I write this in a Dell Loy threat: I guess it makes a difference if you have this 20 years of experience including the waiting or just 2 - 3 years. It probably makes all the difference to be willing to go all in on ultra rarities. If I had been collecting for 2 years only, I would never have bought all the Pogue coins I bought. I would not have been the high bidder.
I don't have a> @privaterarecoincollector said:
I agree with you completely. That was exactly my experience. Coins I heard existed but I'd never seen or if I had seen them in much earlier years, getting trounced at auction by the Pogues or others. Seeing them in the Pogue sales was like dreaming of things thought never to be known, let alone own. I knew exactly as a result of this long observation time that the Pogue sales and to a lesser extent the Newman and Gardner sales and Pogue sales needed my attention. Interestingly, there does seem to be significant turnover over the past 10 to 15 years in both 1804 dollars and 1913 Liberty Nickels. Dell Loy might be just fine with his strategy on these particular coins ultimately.
Part of the joy and fun of the hobby is that, even with the sales of Pogue, Newman and Gardner now past, the pop reports show lots of terrific coins still squirreled away somewhere. You just never know what might pop up!!
so? I am bad w/names......I am bad writer too. BUT I have handled the very best coins ever with out any question and built many of today's greatest ever collections. So when I get insulted, I return fire. .....
No insult to Delloy. Pogue is a diff matter
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I'm sure losing out on a multi-million dollar long-term revenue stream> @specialist said:
Del Loy
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I have confidence you can do it
You have no problem with other names like Eliasberg, Pogue, Bruce, Stewart, etc. In fact, in the past 10 years of following your posts, I don’t recall you ever being bad with names before.
I’m pulling for you!
Regarding being insulted, I almost get the sense you feel insulted when people say Dell Loy is the best (which I haven’t). Is that how you feel?
While you say you’re not insulting Dell Loy, your response to his comment on research came across a bit that way to me.
Dell Loy. 😆
BTW, I do let him know feelings when he sees me. I'm sure he wasn't too happy hearing my yapping at ANA. We do get along. He likes to call me a NYC cab driver....how special.....
I missed nothing by not dealing w/him. He does not fit into my hard core program. With SImpson, Hedgie, Black Cat, RSD, etc we are hunters who most of the time get our prey-nothing less then the finest when possible. He does buy my HOF sets I built tho....
Sorry, Delloy is easier for me....And he can call me what ever he wants!
Touche
I do think it's funny how salty she is about this. My little nephew didn't get picked for a team last summer and has been calling the team captain by a nickname ever since. It's just funny to see an adult do it vs a 6 year old.
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My 21 year old son collects these as well. Collecting is definitely not dead with the younger generation. He plays magic every week. There are magic stores popping up all over the place. People are playing tournaments, trading, buying, selling, etc. I dropped my other son off at college in a small town and we went out to eat and I look across the street on a holiday and see people going in and out of the magic the gathering store. It's hot.
I think that discussion is fair. It's the posts saying other collectors are so much better, research more, have spent so much more money, yada, yada, yada that seem a bit self-serving and also a bit defensive. I'm not sure how that contributes to the conversation other than making one feel better about oneself. But maybe that's enough to hit the post button?
So she can spell correctly. From her recent posts, it does seem like she's simply choosing not to.
So she can spell correctly.
Occasionally.
This post is not about Specialist's spelling ability. Laura does have a very significant perspective in to the Ultra-Rarities market. Her perspectice relative to most on this forum is mosty not significant relative to those like me, that are not playing in that ball park.
If at sometime in my life that I wanted to spend over a million on a coin, she would be the first I would call. She may not write well, but her numismatic perspective is special.
OINK
I agree with TDN and I dont understand why Dell wants to study rarities coming to market for two years, although they come to the market only every 35 years, if at all. What is there to study about a 1822 half eagle or 1854-S half eagle ? Either you need the coin or not, both of them sold the last time 35 years ago.
Of course, but maybe "wanting to do more research" was a just a BS answer because he didn't want to share his real reasons? I won't speculate on what DLH might really have been thinking, but it sure seems that way to me.
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Don't mind me, just seeing the sights!
Sometimes you are just not ready. For example, he purchased the top pop 1/0 PCGS PR69 Trompeter HR, and now people are saying it's not all there. @specialist indicated, but did not specify, some history to this coin, so perhaps he feels he needs to learn more before making major purchases.
Needing a coin isn't like needing oxygen
Wow.
The subject of him doing research is probably true to a degree. I saw that as a general public statement. No harm done
Didn’t dell loy go in with someone on the 1854-S $5? Just catching up on this thread but feel like a few posts have mentioned he should have bid on it and I thought he did at least as a partner. Can anyone clear up?
DLH was a partner in the purchase of the 1854-S Half Eagle being that he's one DLRC partners, but the next morning after purchasing the coin, DLRC sold the specimen to another buyer.
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is the new owner public?
Wrong the 1854S $5. Delloy is not partner. John Albanese bought it from Heritage and then asked JB to join him (I think it was DLRC as the partner not Delloy). The new owner is extremely private about it right now.
DLRC did NOT sell it. John Albanese sold it to someone he regularly deals with.
Could be 30 years before one of those is available again...
In other collectibles markets, the provenance of that coin wouldn't get a green light, in my opinion. This thread got me rooting for Dell Loy. I'm glad he passed on it.
The lack of provenance for that coin is interesting given the difficulty in detecting counterfeits for a while now.
It hasn’t been accepted by PCGS in CoinFacts yet. There’s a comment but it’s not in the main census.
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/coin/detail/8260
Exactly, so how do we explain the paradox of DLH's choice to pass on a seemingly once in high lifetime opportunity unless he is working to buy the Pogue coin, is not 100% committed to the completeness of the set, or has run out of available funds. Seems like only one of the three can explain passing of the 54-S $5 and I'd bet on one of the first two. Perhaps add the 1822 $5 to the Pogue bundle?
His choice to pass on the 1913 5c and 1804 $1's can be explained in other ways but not the 54-S $5.
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I’d have passed on the 54-S because the collection can’t be completed without the Pogue 22. Might as well wait for a deal on the pair. And if it never happens, so be it. It doesn’t really matter if you’re one coin short or two.
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Or...a significant donation to the Smithsonian
Have they ever let any of their coins go?
I can't answer that question definitively, but I think that I can definitively say that it would be a mistake to think that they might let go of any of their more meaningful coins anytime in the foreseeable future.
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Perhaps the price of these coins will go down in the future and he'll be able to buy them for less when they are offered? We'll see what the next decade brings...