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And the beat goes on. JA wouldn’t even sticker this as a 63....
https://coins.ha.com/itm/a/1259-3892.s
And now look at it...
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Technically a "nice" coin and maybe you might agree with 64-. But I think that a coin that is 145 YO without the slightest trace of toning must have been stored in the International Space Station for at least 130 years.......unless it might have been owned by an alien collector. If copper it would be QC.
Here's the TrueView:
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But I think that a coin that is 145 YO without the slightest trace of toning must have been stored in the International Space Station for at least 130 years.......unless it might have been owned by an alien collector. If copper it would be QC.
--- you might want to look at the Heritage archives and reconsider that opinion.
@tradedollarnut,
Thanks for the links. You’re still ever vigilant about coins even when you have so much else going on.
About that 73CC (edited to correct the date), I am largely at a loss for words. Or, rather, I am at a loss for the appropriate public words.
But anyway, such is life. I’ve moved on from this episode and am happily re-learning coin imaging (camera, lighting and photoshop).
To lighten my mood, here are two recent pictures I did:
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Post edited to say that I really need to stop looking at coins using my iPhone. I had mistaken the OP coin as another. Oops. My bad.
But actually realizing that the 73CC upgraded really sucks.
@tradedollarnut - this is really disappointing.
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Interesting... gradeflation is alive and active.... Cheers, RickO
If it looks a good in hand as the true views photos, a sticker wouldn't make any difference to me. Really nice looking coinaccording to the pcgs photos.
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Real nice!!
Reminds me of the plethora of pretty Unc. Capped Bust Halves with bright white centers and cookie cutter rust, charcoal or cobalt even rim toning on the obverse and reverse that started appearing in 2003 and 2004.
Now, more than ever, you need to know what for you is an expensive coin should look like in a specific grade before you buy it. It's getting to be like the pre-slabbing days.
I remember many years ago, an expensive auction's coins were termed "optimistically graded" by a well known individual who previewed them.
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TDN, do you think something was done to the coin or is it mainly just a difference in the photography?? I know the insert number is different but that would change with a regrade submission.
I clearly have no idea how to grade this series as I would have guessed MS62 if this was a blind guess the grade thread. What would you call it @tradedollarnut?
I viewed it at lot viewing and thought it a decent 63 at the original sale. It never entered my mind that it had upgrade potential. Looks like it’s been recently dipped. I can say that if it’s a 64, then my coin is a lock 65.
But that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it...
It doesn't have to be... It can be what a collector wants it to be. And it can start with quality for the grade
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There are other reasons he does not sticker a coin. It is not always about the grade. Just ask him if you don't believe me.
Yes, that removed some of the toning that made it look rubbed, but the thigh issue is still there.
It likely didn’t sticker due to originality. CAC is heavy on original coins and not a fan of dipped or treated pieces....even if they are technically superior for the grade. Just my observation.
Here is my original image of the coin from about six years ago:
If you look carefully, you'll see the faint circle-like graffiti (or whatever it is) in my image as a 63 and in the TV image as a 64.
EVP
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And, I just want to say that it is sinful that a coin like that got dipped just for greed. Sad, truly sad. That's the danger of the US coin market where we have micro-grading and huge price swings between micro-grades. I collect dark side now, and so far the issue of micro-grading hasn't significantly raised its ugly head.
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Yes, that's were I am going.
I think the coin looks better now.
I think your coin is a 65.
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I am looking for one coin to complete a set. A piece that would have worked cropped up six months ago. The trouble was it was over graded by one point, and that doubled the price. The incremental amount was over $6,000. The coin sat in the dealer's inventory for several months before he sold it to another dealer. This dealer is noted for fast turnovers in inventory so I was not the only one who viewed the coin that way.
Hi all that are trade dollar fans/experts, For educational purposes - what do you think kept the coin from going CAC at 63? Why do you feel the coin is over graded at 64? Thanks ahead of time for your opinions
The coin has obviously been dipped a few times.
No big deal.
The grading companies love a frosty blast white coin.
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I agree with EVP "I just want to say that it is sinful that a coin like that got dipped just for greed. Sad, truly sad."
As the grading companies continue to reward the practice of dipping coins the number of remaining coins with original surfaces (skin) continues to decrease making them even rarer.
What? And miss the excitement of controversy? Whatever could be WRONG with you?
It’s not that the TPGs like “dipped”. Collectors want shiny coins. What is market acceptable ? The examples are market acceptable, and there are people who will take it. Some of us in the shorts.
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It looks like it was more than dipped if that graffiti is gone, of course that could be lighting.
I don't see the coin from 6 years ago as original skin either. It is a white coin with a touch of toning. That coin had already been dipped in it's past. John puts CAC stickers on blast white coins all the time. They were in fact white when they were made.
I don't think the current TrueView and the six-year old EVP picture really look that much different. the owner(s) should be able to comment on that. I will only say that we all tend to agree that tone will often mask marks but it can also, due to the lighting, make things look different than what is really there. perhaps (if) the coin was dipped the removal of light tone cleaned the image so it looks like something that was there before is now gone.
I agree with the sentiment that the US coin market is maxed out to the 3rd degree. Grade inflation, plusses, stars, CAC stickers, crazy toning premiums, premium depending on the type of holder and HUGE jumps in price between hard to distinguish grades puts me off big time.
I have much more FUN and enjoyment collecting world coins knowing I can buy key dates, nicely toned examples and can complete sets at affordable prices. I started off my collection with 100% US and now its about 40%.
The darkside is calling
I agree that this example was likely dipped previously but that doesn't change the fact that each additional dip effects the surfaces. Although the following statement is true: "They were in fact white when they were made." it means little when discussing coins that are 145 years old that have been exposed to our atmosphere for almost a century and a half.
TwoSidesToACoin makes an excellent point. "Collectors want shiny coins. What is market acceptable? The examples are market acceptable, and there are people who will take it." If the demand for coins with these characteristics continues then this practice will continue.
Education is the key, JA has done a lot to educate numismatists both novice and experienced.