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Sharing my box of 20 for the 1st time - Old White Rattlers (OWR's).

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 6, 2021 6:15PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I started collecting OWR’s (Old White Rattlers) several years ago after seeing one for the 1st time on a 25th anniversary post here on the forums. It’s now posted on the OWR census thread.

My Box of 20 in a old rattler box.

Generation 1.0

Generation 1.1

The 1st one I saw in person was offered to me by Bill Shamhart. I was hooked after that.

They have come from a variety of sources – from dealers, at auction, from forum friends, cherry picked on ebay, etc. The oddest was an email I got from someone out of the blue who thought what they had was unusual and after Googling “white rattler label” came across my post on the BST and offered it to me. Some have been inexpensive, purchased before their existence became common knowledge, others I’ve had to pay up for. Some I’ve passed on with regret. The 20th came this week after a tip from a forum friend!

Smallest – H10, 3c piece.

Largest – Morgans, $20 Saint.

Most common – 3 1882-S Morgans.

As shown at the PCGS Museum of Holders, the 1.0 has a coarser dot matrix print. The easiest pickup for me from an online listing is the 1.0 has a slash between the grade and serial number 55 degrees from horizontal, the 1.1 is 45 degrees carried into the 1.2 generation.

Number of each in the box of 20:

1.0 - 7
1.1 - 13

There’s a theory that these are all undergraded since they were from the early days of PCGS. I don’t know the CAC history of all 20.

CAC gold – 4

CAC Green – 7

Would NEVER CAC – 1 of the 1.0’s, 2 of the 1.1’s.

Would probably CAC – 6, if submitted.

My favorite so far??

Biggest regret – selling a $20 Lib 1.1 to a friend that wore me out asking for it. :D

Will still be looking out for these but rather than buy everyone I can, the focus will now be on type coins that I need for my “Collectible Holder Type Set”. All tips on finding these are welcome! :D

"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That Buffalo nickel in 1938 looks severely undergraded.

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Outstanding!

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Freakin cool post! Excessively cool. The essence of collecting

    FYI TL I returned home to find a cool coin in my mail box from you. Check is in the mail!

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2018 8:14PM

    That Buffalo nickel in 1938 looks severely under graded.

    Not a great picture - you sure?? :D

    Actually that's the toughest coin in my 1938-D MS66 Buff PCGS generations set - will never break out that sucker!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent. :star:

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    Renowned mathematicians of Vedic culture viewed 108 as a number of the wholeness of existence. This number also connects the Sun, Moon, and Earth: The average distance of the Sun and the Moon to Earth is 108 times their respective diameters. Such phenomena have given rise to many examples of ritual significance.

    According to yogic tradition, there are 108 pithas, or sacred sites, throughout India. And there are also 108 Upanishads and 108 marma points, or sacred places of the body.
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  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful...

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Uh..... OK.

    Do yogies differentiate 1.0 from 1.1?? :D

    Hope to see you tomorrow!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well done...

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Uh..... OK.

    Do yogies differentiate 1.0 from 1.1?? :D

    Hope to see you tomorrow!

    Actually 1.0 often indicates a western beginners class. They go up in .5 point increments. Believe it or not I'm a certified instructor. For real. Yoga has been a Game changer for me
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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    That Buffalo nickel in 1938 looks severely undergraded.

    Why?

  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow, what a surprise, 3 of 4 OWR that I've owned have made it into your collection :P

  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭

    Such a nice looking box of 20!

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  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Outstanding box of 20! And except for all those d@*$ morgans quite the type set too! Lol
    congrats, Tim

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool. That feat would be pretty tough to replicate. I like the seated dime and the quarter eagle especially.

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great post and one helluva an awesome Box of 20!!

  • cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do love the idea of an 1938-D MS66 Buff PCGS generations set. Quite the unique way to collect those 38-D Buffs.

    Jeff

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All old and pretty!

    bob :)

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cool group

  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Amazing!
    Congrats on some very cool coins and special holders!

    Dave

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buffalo is a screamer. Looks Ultra gem 68 from my monitor.

  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    That 82-S Morgan with the gold bean sticks out like a sore thumb, what's the reverse look like?

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  • AuroraBorealisAuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2018 11:37PM

    Very cool! A true collector you are! AB

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the collection idea. Really love the 1838 dime and the Sesqui. Very cool.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very impressive

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice.... not being a slab expert, I must check some of mine... particularly some old MS66 Buffs I have...will let you know... Cheers, RickO

  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Outstanding!! Time to start another box. <3 See how far you can take a typeset in OWR holders.

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Folks, er, ah, ok, dumb question, what does OWR stand for? I get 'Rattler', but OW?

    How about:

    Other World Rattler
    Olde Wonderful Rattler
    Obsigned Wizened Rattler

    Okay I digress, nice coins and holders, but OWR?

    Best, SH

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  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice set!

    @spacehayduke I was thinking "Old White Rattler" but I like "Other World Rattler" better I think

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OW = Old White (Gen 1.0 and 1.1 rattlers had white labels)

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  • PurfrockPurfrock Posts: 545 ✭✭✭

    Stunning collection of 20!

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love your passion for collecting. Always have, always will.

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful looking coins!!! :+1::+1:

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  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's one of the coolest things I have seen in a long time. Very impressive!

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What fantastic pieces and beautiful collection! I am truly in awe B)

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ? OWR's please?

    "O" old or original?

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool idea for a collection. Very nice.

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  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2018 11:06AM

    ...

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

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  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrific collection. Thanks for sharing!!

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a cool set!

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the easy and useful tip. But if I read it, and see it, correctly, wouldn't your box of 20 have 13 1.0's and 7 1.1's?

    The 1.0's have the more upright slash between grade and serial number with the earlier dot matrix printer, fewer/larger dots per symbol - 1st picture.

    The 1.1's have the slash at a 45 degree with more/smaller dots per symbol - 2nd 2 pictures.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2018 3:18PM

    This might show it better.

    The 1.1 is on top, the 1.0 bottom.

    Compare the "/" between the grade and serial number.

    Look at the 1.0's - 3 dots to the base on the "1", 5 dots to the base of "1" on the 1.1's, etc.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    O = Old?
    W = White?
    R =

    It would help me enjoy the thread more!

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got it, thank you.

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    Tommy

  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice - thanks for sharing. I'd love to see those in person someday.

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  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I imagine you sitting at a computer screen with a protractor measuring the "/" to figure out if its a 1.0 or 1.1. :D

    Nice old green slab box too!

  • 2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭

    Cool set

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I imagine you sitting at a computer screen with a protractor measuring the "/" to figure out if its a 1.0 or 1.1. :D

    Actually, that's what I did! Back in the day when films were printed out and there wasn't a digital protractor on the computer, we measured angles and dimensions by hand.

    So, I might be off by 1-2 degrees, but not more. :D

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome set!!!!

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