@botanist said:
What grade would you give that 1870-S yourself, not considering what holder it's in?
I am a very conservative grader. Without the tick marks on the cheek and field, I would give the coin MS66 or MS67. With the tick marks, it is a 64+. I do not own any of those beautiful $20 SRH coins.
The reverse of the 1870-S seems okay to qualify as gem. But in rechecking, doesn't it seem there's been considerable rub on the curls and above the coronet? All 13 stars show hits. Plus obviously it had opportunities to be handled during the almost 20 years before most of the horde was stashed. I'm thinking the obverse might only be worth AU, and maybe not AU 58 but rather AU 55.
Saying that the coins were placed in "Baking Powder cans" (I should point out here that only ONE of the cans was a Folgers Brand baking powder can) in San Francisco is as conjectural as commenting on what color pants the owner was wearing when he buried the coins.
Blue ... perhaps tan ... no, definitely blue ... yeah, blue pants.
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Saying that the coins were placed in "Baking Powder cans" (I should point out here that only ONE of the cans was a Folgers Brand baking powder can) in San Francisco is as conjectural as commenting on what color pants the owner was wearing when he buried the coins.
Blue ... perhaps tan ... no, definitely blue ... yeah, blue pants.
Sorry, blue and tan didn't even get a mention:
"A man's daytime suit in the 1890s would be considered appropriate for the most formal of occasions in modern day. Men wore vests, or waistcoats as they were known, and often had many of them in different colors and materials as a way to vary their work wardrobe. Pants worn for daytime had a high waist and were cut slim with a flat front, no pleats. They were often brown or grey or even patterned with stripes or checks.
Saying that the coins were placed in "Baking Powder cans" (I should point out here that only ONE of the cans was a Folgers Brand baking powder can) in San Francisco is as conjectural as commenting on what color pants the owner was wearing when he buried the coins.
Blue ... perhaps tan ... no, definitely blue ... yeah, blue pants.
Sorry, blue and tan didn't even get a mention:
"A man's daytime suit in the 1890s would be considered appropriate for the most formal of occasions in modern day. Men wore vests, or waistcoats as they were known, and often had many of them in different colors and materials as a way to vary their work wardrobe. Pants worn for daytime had a high waist and were cut slim with a flat front, no pleats. They were often brown or grey or even patterned with stripes or checks.
Saying that the coins were placed in "Baking Powder cans" (I should point out here that only ONE of the cans was a Folgers Brand baking powder can) in San Francisco is as conjectural as commenting on what color pants the owner was wearing when he buried the coins.
Blue ... perhaps tan ... no, definitely blue ... yeah, blue pants.
Sorry, blue and tan didn't even get a mention:
"A man's daytime suit in the 1890s would be considered appropriate for the most formal of occasions in modern day. Men wore vests, or waistcoats as they were known, and often had many of them in different colors and materials as a way to vary their work wardrobe. Pants worn for daytime had a high waist and were cut slim with a flat front, no pleats. They were often brown or grey or even patterned with stripes or checks.
I cannot believe the amount of misogynistic clap trap I see here.
Where, pray tell, did ANYONE determine it was a HE that put the coins in the cans in the ground? Or did you all just LEAP to antiquated decadent bourgeois cisheteropatriarchical prating.
I mean, this is CALIFORNIA, near SAN FRANCISCO we are talking about.
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@Rich49 said:
Next to the register is a "one arm bandit calculator" .We used them in my Dad's buisness. Fun to use
That's a Burroughs Adding Machine. The scion of the family that made a fortune on those was none other that William S. Burroughs, notorious (and brilliant) author of Junky, Queer, Naked Lunch, etc. etc., who rather famously shot his wife in the head in Mexico City during a drunken game of William Tell.
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@Rich49 said:
Next to the register is a "one arm bandit calculator" .We used them in my Dad's buisness. Fun to use
That's a Burroughs Adding Machine. The scion of the family that made a fortune on those was none other that William S. Burroughs, notorious (and brilliant) author of Junky, Queer, Naked Lunch, etc. etc., who rather famously shot his wife in the head in Mexico City during a drunken game of William Tell.
Old Bull Lee...
Interesting to learn of William S Burroughs life after the shooting of his common law wife. Eventually at the age of 69 he settled down in Lawrence, Kansas where he was able to live with his drug demons under a managed methadone program. Apparently he never had to work due to the stipend that his family was able to provide him from the sales of the Burroughs Adding Machine.
Reviving an old thread. Walked the floor at Long Beach yesterday and didn't see a single one of these. I'm guessing many were upgraded due to the conservative grading.
Something that occurs to me, many of these were proof-like, especially the 1890-S, 1892-S etc. Now that PCGS will designate PL on the label, has anyone tried to submit their Saddle Ridge hoard coins for the PL designation?
@OriginalDan
I completely agree that many of the original SRH coins were conservatively graded making those coins that upgraded bargains at their original selling price.
After the hoard was offered for sale, I followed the market for these coins and noticed that a couple of the prooflike coins were submitted to NGC for the PL designation (since PCGS didn’t offer the designation for non-Morgan dollars at the time). I believe the two coins were an 89-S $20 and 92-S $20 that made it into NGC holders with the designation. I had PL examples for these dates so I wasn’t in the market.
By far the most common dates for double eagles in the SRH were 89-S, 90-S and 92-S. None of these dates are “commonly” found with reflective surface. I think only a small handful would qualify for the PL designation. In fact, based on NGC population data, less than 1% of graded examples have received the PL designation. Current, PCGS has not graded a single 90-S and 92-S in PL, and only a one 89-S has received the PL designation at PCGS.
This double eagle is from the Saddle Ridge Hoard and was graded by PCGS as MS63 and subsequently CAC approved.
While this coin would not qualify for the PL designation, I have not seen such a dramatic difference between obverse and reverse surfaces on a double eagle.
@BloodMan said:
This double eagle is from the Saddle Ridge Hoard and was graded by PCGS as MS63 and subsequently CAC approved.
While this coin would not qualify for the PL designation, I have not seen such a dramatic difference between obverse and reverse surfaces on a double eagle.
That one is amazing, both for absolute quality and for the dramatic contrast between obverse and reverse.
Some outstanding $20 gold there and I bought and sold many 1850 pieces and on as have much larger players here. Some spoke disparagingly of the "shipwreck" gold coins never thinking a hoard of later date $20s in PCGS's backyard would show up as it did.
OK, it has been over 5 years since the last posting on this thread. Despite the passage of time the mysteries surrounding the Saddle Ridge Hoard remain just as mystical to this day.
No mystery. Somebody buried some gold, as people have been doing for thousands of years. Some lucky people legitimately found the gold, and wisely kept their mouths shut to keep greedy people with no rights to that gold from pestering them.
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The reverse of the 1870-S seems okay to qualify as gem. But in rechecking, doesn't it seem there's been considerable rub on the curls and above the coronet? All 13 stars show hits. Plus obviously it had opportunities to be handled during the almost 20 years before most of the horde was stashed. I'm thinking the obverse might only be worth AU, and maybe not AU 58 but rather AU 55.
Blue ... perhaps tan ... no, definitely blue ... yeah, blue pants.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Sorry, blue and tan didn't even get a mention:
"A man's daytime suit in the 1890s would be considered appropriate for the most formal of occasions in modern day. Men wore vests, or waistcoats as they were known, and often had many of them in different colors and materials as a way to vary their work wardrobe. Pants worn for daytime had a high waist and were cut slim with a flat front, no pleats. They were often brown or grey or even patterned with stripes or checks.
https://oureverydaylife.com/mens-fashion-in-the-1890s-12485051.html
LOL ... that just means our guy was a rebel!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Yesteryear's wardrobe?
SHAME SHAME SHAME
I cannot believe the amount of misogynistic clap trap I see here.
Where, pray tell, did ANYONE determine it was a HE that put the coins in the cans in the ground? Or did you all just LEAP to antiquated decadent bourgeois cisheteropatriarchical prating.
I mean, this is CALIFORNIA, near SAN FRANCISCO we are talking about.
Sign up sheets for sensitivity training will be posted later today.
Just remember that the Unc coins represent ordinary, day-to-day production quality from the US Mints.
Great coins posted by everyone!
Is information on the SRH coins assembled anywhere? Is there, or should there be, a legacy PCGS Registry Set?
@Northcoin We had a Washing Machine just like that in the 50's
Knew a kid that got his arm caught in the Wringer once.
So ... the man distracts the woman so the kid can rifle the cash register? Right below the "Amish Culture" sign! LOL!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
That obverse is 68!
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That photo certainly deserved a caption. You did a great job.
(Actually the kid with his hand in the till is related to me. What can I say, starting coin collecting at an early age?
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Next to the register is a "one arm bandit calculator"
.We used them in my Dad's buisness. 
Fun to use
That's a Burroughs Adding Machine. The scion of the family that made a fortune on those was none other that William S. Burroughs, notorious (and brilliant) author of Junky, Queer, Naked Lunch, etc. etc., who rather famously shot his wife in the head in Mexico City during a drunken game of William Tell.
Old Bull Lee...
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
Interesting to learn of William S Burroughs life after the shooting of his common law wife. Eventually at the age of 69 he settled down in Lawrence, Kansas where he was able to live with his drug demons under a managed methadone program. Apparently he never had to work due to the stipend that his family was able to provide him from the sales of the Burroughs Adding Machine.
Reviving an old thread. Walked the floor at Long Beach yesterday and didn't see a single one of these. I'm guessing many were upgraded due to the conservative grading.
Something that occurs to me, many of these were proof-like, especially the 1890-S, 1892-S etc. Now that PCGS will designate PL on the label, has anyone tried to submit their Saddle Ridge hoard coins for the PL designation?
I love Liberty $20's. I really like the idea of the Saddle Ridge Hoard but give me a 1st Gen Rattler with CAC any day over the SRH packaging.
@OriginalDan
I completely agree that many of the original SRH coins were conservatively graded making those coins that upgraded bargains at their original selling price.
After the hoard was offered for sale, I followed the market for these coins and noticed that a couple of the prooflike coins were submitted to NGC for the PL designation (since PCGS didn’t offer the designation for non-Morgan dollars at the time). I believe the two coins were an 89-S $20 and 92-S $20 that made it into NGC holders with the designation. I had PL examples for these dates so I wasn’t in the market.
By far the most common dates for double eagles in the SRH were 89-S, 90-S and 92-S. None of these dates are “commonly” found with reflective surface. I think only a small handful would qualify for the PL designation. In fact, based on NGC population data, less than 1% of graded examples have received the PL designation. Current, PCGS has not graded a single 90-S and 92-S in PL, and only a one 89-S has received the PL designation at PCGS.
This double eagle is from the Saddle Ridge Hoard and was graded by PCGS as MS63 and subsequently CAC approved.
While this coin would not qualify for the PL designation, I have not seen such a dramatic difference between obverse and reverse surfaces on a double eagle.
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That one is amazing, both for absolute quality and for the dramatic contrast between obverse and reverse.
I wish I could have some Saddle Ridge gold but it’s too expensive for me to afford.😢
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Some outstanding $20 gold there and I bought and sold many 1850 pieces and on as have much larger players here. Some spoke disparagingly of the "shipwreck" gold coins never thinking a hoard of later date $20s in PCGS's backyard would show up as it did.
OK, it has been over 5 years since the last posting on this thread. Despite the passage of time the mysteries surrounding the Saddle Ridge Hoard remain just as mystical to this day.
No mystery. Somebody buried some gold, as people have been doing for thousands of years. Some lucky people legitimately found the gold, and wisely kept their mouths shut to keep greedy people with no rights to that gold from pestering them.