@MrEureka said:
If my accountant tells me to pre-pay my 2018 real estate taxes before the end of 2017, it will affect my short term budget for coins. That is, if I had a budget.
I asked my accountant the same this morning. In my case he said not to. I'm going to take a haircut next year
mark
Dey gonna redistribute some of my dough in 2018....
Again
As a grader, I grade parts of this thread: PCGS 91 - Questionable Content, 94 - Alternate Facts, 86 - Authenticity Unverifiable and 90 - Counterfeit Posting.
Anything said that can be easily verified and disputed is not "fake news" because it goes against what you thought you knew or believed. The "fake news" reply to the scenario above is nothing but a cop-out for the feeble minded; it's the equivalent of getting stuck deep in the ditch while calling the spinning tires forward progress, since the car is not in reverse.
Taxpayer works at a coin shop. Lives at home. Makes $12,000 annually. No rent, no kids, just living at home working a job until something better comes along.
The current system: Taxpayer will file single and the taxpayer is allowed to exclude from income the standard deduction of $6300. That means that the first $6300 earned is not taxed. This taxpayer will then exclude another $4050 because the taxpayer claims himself as an exemption. Any income over this sum is then subject to income tax. The current system will assess tax all income over the aforementioned $10350. Taxpayer is taxed on $1650.00 ($12000-$10350=1650) Taxpayer owes $164.00
New system: Same taxpayer making $12,000. The new standard deduction will now be $12,000 (nearly double the old standard of $6300) and the taxpayer will be taxed on any income over $12,000. The new system will not allow the taxpayer to claim himself as an exemption, but he is now excluding $12k from his earnings vs $10,350 from the current system. Taxpayer owes $0
Married couple. Both working at coin shop. Earning $60,000 2 kids younger than 17, renters:
The old system allows: Standard deduction of $12,600 and also excluding $4050 for each of the 4 exemptions on the return (Dad, Mom, Son, Daughter $16,200) . Total excluded from income = $28,800. Mom and Dad are now subject to paying tax on $31,200 (60,000-28,800=31,200) Because the children are younger than 17, this return would qualify for child tax credit and that credit is $1000 for each of the children. The income tax on $31,200 is $3749 and the deduction for the child tax credit is $2000 leaving mom and dad with total tax of $1749.00
New system: Standard deduction is now $24,000 and again, there is no deduction for exemption so mom and dad are now being subjected to paying tax on $$36,000 (60,000-24,000=36,000). The child tax credit is, however, being increased to $2,000 per child. The new bill collapses a few of the old tax brackets so this return will show total tax on $36,000 of $4320 (12%) and the deduction for the child tax credit will be $4000 leaving mom and dad with total tax of $320.00.
@Baley said: "Dey gonna redistribute some of my dough in 2018....Again."
It is going for good research like learning how far a three legged frog can travel up a tree in five minutes so they can determine how high up the side pillar on a SUV that a rear seatbelt should be anchored.
@Baley said: "They" also fight wildfires and come help me if i have a heart attack."
And the money for that comes from the same place - OUR TAXES. It is our money. Hopefully most of us will get to keep a tiny bit more and it appears that even the folks who don't put much in (if anything at all) will also. We live in a great country. Welcome all to our giveaway.
That just made me think of the Statue of Liberty Dollar! I'll bet most of you have no idea most of what we were taught about the Statue (and it's base) is Progressive "make believe." Do some research if you dare.
Well after speaking to my accountant at length again I will probably be buying less coins this year.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I’ll continue to be selective with numismatics... continue to purchase silver and gold... and I like the new tax plan...even though it will make very little difference in my life.
@Baley said:
"They" also fight wildfires and come help me if i have a heart attack
Not to worried about that kind of spending. Could do without the trillion dollar planes that can't fly and the billion dollar ships that drive straight into other ships in broad daylight.
If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
mark
OK. Do it already!
>
You need us to grade your coins for one thing. Just take that one thing away and chaos ensues.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
mark
OK. Do it already!
Wouldn't that double the cost of the wall?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
mark
OK. Do it already!
Wouldn't that double the cost of the wall?
By working in Mexico since the US Presidential Election I've come to the conclusion that they are more apt to build the wall themselves. To keep us out
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
mark
OK. Do it already!
>
You need us to grade your coins for one thing. Just take that one thing away and chaos ensues.
m
We still have CAC!!!
He will be out of business. He will need something to sticker. You really didn't think this whole thing through did you
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@10000lakes said:
To be fair you do realize that California has the largest state economy.
Which States Rely the Most on Federal Aid?
State-level taxes may be the most visible source of state government revenues for most taxpayers, but it’s important to remember that they are not the only source of state revenue. State governments also receive a significant amount of assistance from the federal government in the form of federal grants-in-aid. Federal aid is given to states for Medicaid, transportation, education, and other means-tested entitlement programs administered by the states.
CALIFORNIA is BANKRUPT and is completely reliant upon the Federal Government.
Will be on the sidelines when this beauty hits the block at FUN.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Taxes on income which were instituted about 1916+/- have failed to provide a "progressive tax system" that would appropriately distribute the tax burden so that the ones with the most income would pay the most taxes. The wealthiest do not need income. They can just sell a few shares of their stock to float their boat, and coin purchases.
All of us pay taxes on the value of our real estate and cars which is an equity based tax. But equities such as stock and bond holdings are tax free. Even a small % tax on ALL equities would do much to eradicate our deficit. Combined with a flat income tax system this would greatly increase revenue to our government on an equitable basis.
And if the equity tax is properly imposed, off shore investors will have to help fund our economic system in relation to their opportunities.
Wish you would become your own country and quit putting all your liberal crap on most of the rest of the country that chooses to live without all the government intervention ya'll do! We are Earth! Ya'll are all tech that will die quickly if and when the grid goes down!
No kidding. Thanks for chiming in and calling out the BS.
California's $2.717 trillion economy is larger than that of any other state. No other state is remotely close. If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
We would actually like to keep more but Uncle Sam does not agree.
Tax on equities such as you speak are double taxation. That's what the Liberals want as it would suck up all the old money so to speak.
@OldIndianNutKase said:
Taxes on income which were instituted about 1916+/- have failed to provide a "progressive tax system" that would appropriately distribute the tax burden so that the ones with the most income would pay the most taxes. The wealthiest do not need income. They can just sell a few shares of their stock to float their boat, and coin purchases.
All of us pay taxes on the value of our real estate and cars which is an equity based tax. But equities such as stock and bond holdings are tax free. Even a small % tax on ALL equities would do much to eradicate our deficit. Combined with a flat income tax system this would greatly increase revenue to our government on an equitable basis.
And if the equity tax is properly imposed, off shore investors will have to help fund our economic system in relation to their opportunities.
@MrEureka said:
If my accountant tells me to pre-pay my 2018 real estate taxes before the end of 2017, it will affect my short term budget for coins. That is, if I had a budget.
I asked my accountant the same this morning. In my case he said not to. I'm going to take a haircut next year
mark
Good thing! The House compromise bill eliminated the prepay option.
Lance.
@amwldcoin Please explain your idea of double taxation. We have double taxation on coorproate profits on income. Property tax has no double taxation. Just tax assets like like stocks and bonds like houses and cars, and reduce income taxes further........maybe only a flat tax. Taxation of assets is an appropriate means of ensuring equality in our society.
Is it still true that 45% of American households pay no federal income tax? At all?
Is it also true that the top 20% still pay around 87% of all federal income tax?
How about the top 1%? Still around 46%?
I don't get why folks gripe about the rich getting a tax break. You cut taxes and the rich benefit too. How could it be otherwise?
If only the lowest tax payers got a break it wouldn't be much of a tax savings plan with any economic impact.
I'm all for helping the lowest income households. That would include me (at $24k/year...all social security...with $21k property taxes). I'm okay with the plan and ready to pay my share.
Lance.
@amwldcoin said:
Wish you would become your own country and quit putting all your liberal crap on most of the rest of the country that chooses to live without all the government intervention ya'll do! We are Earth! Ya'll are all tech that will die quickly if and when the grid goes down!
No kidding. Thanks for chiming in and calling out the BS.
California's $2.717 trillion economy is larger than that of any other state. No other state is remotely close. If it were a country, California would be the 5th largest economy in the world.
We would actually like to keep more but Uncle Sam does not agree.
mark
I'm a conservative but I will gladly distance myself from your kind of thinking. It's exactly this sort of rhetoric that is divisive.
Merry Christmas just the same to you and yours
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@MrEureka said:
If my accountant tells me to pre-pay my 2018 real estate taxes before the end of 2017, it will affect my short term budget for coins. That is, if I had a budget.
I asked my accountant the same this morning. In my case he said not to. I'm going to take a haircut next year
mark
Good thing! The House compromise bill eliminated the prepay option.
Lance.
Wasn't trying to prepay 2018 just wanted to pay the second half of 2017 before Dec 31. Second half of 2017 taxes are due in Spring 2018. That way I would have paid 1.5 times in 2017 calendar year and only .5 in 2018. This is allowed. However, im my particular case it didn't matter. No benefit. It may benefit others
Merry Christmas Lance
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@ColonelJessup said:
I am going short on Uranian Mint products.
You can thank the Clintons
You've had two chances to notice you've been trolled.
The Uranian provenance is ..... never mind.....
Check your shorts
My shorts are clean.
It’s only going to be the biggest scam in US history when you check the real facts! This is already on the table for AG Sessions. Time’ll tell
Not uranium, not even Iranian....
I've already got $100 bet with another forum member on this NOT happening within six months of the last Baltimore show.
Want some?
Otherwise, stop talking out of Ur-anus.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
Better than Obamacare. Which, of course was decided by the Supreme Court to be nothing more than a tax. Gimme a break doc.
The Obamacare mandate was repealed in this tax bill. Obamacare is no more.
actually not.
Not repealed, but the subsidies were eliminated.
8.8 million people just signed up, so it couldn't be all bad
Don't you know that if you're poor, you don't deserve to have quality healthcare?? What are we, socialist Europe with better outcomes per dollar spent, better life expectancy, and better overall quality of life??
Signed,
Somebody who makes a living in managed care.
@MrEureka said:
If my accountant tells me to pre-pay my 2018 real estate taxes before the end of 2017, it will affect my short term budget for coins. That is, if I had a budget.
I asked my accountant the same this morning. In my case he said not to. I'm going to take a haircut next year
mark
Good thing! The House compromise bill eliminated the prepay option.
Lance.
Wasn't trying to prepay 2018 just wanted to pay the second half of 2017 before Dec 31. Second half of 2017 taxes are due in Spring 2018. That way I would have paid 1.5 times in 2017 calendar year and only .5 in 2018. This is allowed. However, im my particular case it didn't matter. No benefit. It may benefit others
Merry Christmas Lance
m
I think the bill eliminated the option to prepay state and local income taxes.
I believe that property taxes could still be prepaid if your county allows it.
I just finished prepaying mine. The website even had a drop down option for the payment purpose of "prepayment for next year tax payment".
It's worth a shot since it won't be of any use to me as a deduction next year.
@OldIndianNutKase said: @amwldcoin Please explain your idea of double taxation. We have double taxation on coorproate profits on income. Property tax has no double taxation. Just tax assets like like stocks and bonds like houses and cars, and reduce income taxes further........maybe only a flat tax. Taxation of assets is an appropriate means of ensuring equality in our society.
OINK
Any transaction fee tax applied to stock and bond sales would just increase the cost basis and lead to a lower reported capital gain. Plus there is a huge moneyed interest that will not allow that to happen.
Heck a lot of stocks now trade with a minimum of a 5 cent spread where you as an individual have to place your buy or sell order at the nickel increment, but market makers and high frequency traders can trade an any point in between the spread. It may not sound like much, but these firms make ten's of millions each skimming the difference.
@ColonelJessup said:
I am going short on Uranian Mint products.
You can thank the Clintons
You've had two chances to notice you've been trolled.
The Uranian provenance is ..... never mind.....
Check your shorts
My shorts are clean.
It’s only going to be the biggest scam in US history when you check the real facts! This is already on the table for AG Sessions. Time’ll tell
Not uranium, not even Iranian....
I've already got $100 bet with another forum member on this NOT happening within six months of the last Baltimore show.
Want some?
Otherwise, stop talking out of Ur-anus.
So Obama and the Clintons are just okay? LOL. Get a clue !
What a freaking joke. I’m gonna go laugh my ars off. Your a scary dude
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
The spin begins.
Several large companies have announced cash bonus to all of their non executive employee's, typically $1000.
Also some have announced increases in minimum wage to $15 per hour.
Right leaning media says 'see how great the tax plan is'
Left leaning media says 'the companies were going to do this anyways because of low unemployment'
Comments
Dey gonna redistribute some of my dough in 2018....
Again
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
As a grader, I grade parts of this thread: PCGS 91 - Questionable Content, 94 - Alternate Facts, 86 - Authenticity Unverifiable and 90 - Counterfeit Posting.
Anything said that can be easily verified and disputed is not "fake news" because it goes against what you thought you knew or believed. The "fake news" reply to the scenario above is nothing but a cop-out for the feeble minded; it's the equivalent of getting stuck deep in the ditch while calling the spinning tires forward progress, since the car is not in reverse.
10-4,
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My registry sets
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Federal welfare comes from the income tax that is paid in. I'm sure you already knew that
It's 9 % of the Federal government budget.
If you really want to know where your tax dollars are spent you can find all of the details here.
https://usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail_fy19bs22018n#usgs302
Lets create a couple of scenario's:
Taxpayer works at a coin shop. Lives at home. Makes $12,000 annually. No rent, no kids, just living at home working a job until something better comes along.
The current system: Taxpayer will file single and the taxpayer is allowed to exclude from income the standard deduction of $6300. That means that the first $6300 earned is not taxed. This taxpayer will then exclude another $4050 because the taxpayer claims himself as an exemption. Any income over this sum is then subject to income tax. The current system will assess tax all income over the aforementioned $10350. Taxpayer is taxed on $1650.00 ($12000-$10350=1650) Taxpayer owes $164.00
New system: Same taxpayer making $12,000. The new standard deduction will now be $12,000 (nearly double the old standard of $6300) and the taxpayer will be taxed on any income over $12,000. The new system will not allow the taxpayer to claim himself as an exemption, but he is now excluding $12k from his earnings vs $10,350 from the current system. Taxpayer owes $0
Married couple. Both working at coin shop. Earning $60,000 2 kids younger than 17, renters:
The old system allows: Standard deduction of $12,600 and also excluding $4050 for each of the 4 exemptions on the return (Dad, Mom, Son, Daughter $16,200) . Total excluded from income = $28,800. Mom and Dad are now subject to paying tax on $31,200 (60,000-28,800=31,200) Because the children are younger than 17, this return would qualify for child tax credit and that credit is $1000 for each of the children. The income tax on $31,200 is $3749 and the deduction for the child tax credit is $2000 leaving mom and dad with total tax of $1749.00
New system: Standard deduction is now $24,000 and again, there is no deduction for exemption so mom and dad are now being subjected to paying tax on $$36,000 (60,000-24,000=36,000). The child tax credit is, however, being increased to $2,000 per child. The new bill collapses a few of the old tax brackets so this return will show total tax on $36,000 of $4320 (12%) and the deduction for the child tax credit will be $4000 leaving mom and dad with total tax of $320.00.
@Baley said: "Dey gonna redistribute some of my dough in 2018....Again."
It is going for good research like learning how far a three legged frog can travel up a tree in five minutes so they can determine how high up the side pillar on a SUV that a rear seatbelt should be anchored.
"They" also fight wildfires and come help me if i have a heart attack
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
"I deal in the stock market of the soul, and I only sell short".
Doubly ironic for recovering Objectivists.
@Baley said: "They" also fight wildfires and come help me if i have a heart attack."
And the money for that comes from the same place - OUR TAXES. It is our money. Hopefully most of us will get to keep a tiny bit more and it appears that even the folks who don't put much in (if anything at all) will also. We live in a great country. Welcome all to our giveaway.
That just made me think of the Statue of Liberty Dollar! I'll bet most of you have no idea most of what we were taught about the Statue (and it's base) is Progressive "make believe." Do some research if you dare.
Well after speaking to my accountant at length again I will probably be buying less coins this year.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I’ll continue to be selective with numismatics... continue to purchase silver and gold... and I like the new tax plan...even though it will make very little difference in my life.
Not to worried about that kind of spending. Could do without the trillion dollar planes that can't fly and the billion dollar ships that drive straight into other ships in broad daylight.
OK. Do it already!
>
You need us to grade your coins for one thing. Just take that one thing away and chaos ensues.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Wouldn't that double the cost of the wall?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
By working in Mexico since the US Presidential Election I've come to the conclusion that they are more apt to build the wall themselves. To keep us out
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
We still have CAC!!!
He will be out of business. He will need something to sticker. You really didn't think this whole thing through did you
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
CALIFORNIA is BANKRUPT and is completely reliant upon the Federal Government.
Though losing California..
Would be a cut in the aorta..
Instead of Newport Beach..
Our coins would go to Florida!!
Burma Shave!
Can't prepay in WA state - checked and rejected.
Will be on the sidelines when this beauty hits the block at FUN.
Taxes on income which were instituted about 1916+/- have failed to provide a "progressive tax system" that would appropriately distribute the tax burden so that the ones with the most income would pay the most taxes. The wealthiest do not need income. They can just sell a few shares of their stock to float their boat, and coin purchases.
All of us pay taxes on the value of our real estate and cars which is an equity based tax. But equities such as stock and bond holdings are tax free. Even a small % tax on ALL equities would do much to eradicate our deficit. Combined with a flat income tax system this would greatly increase revenue to our government on an equitable basis.
And if the equity tax is properly imposed, off shore investors will have to help fund our economic system in relation to their opportunities.
OINK
Wish you would become your own country and quit putting all your liberal crap on most of the rest of the country that chooses to live without all the government intervention ya'll do! We are Earth! Ya'll are all tech that will die quickly if and when the grid goes down!
I will be on the sideline as well. That spot below Liberty bothers me.
Tax on equities such as you speak are double taxation. That's what the Liberals want as it would suck up all the old money so to speak.
OINK ...and a Merry Christmas to all!
Good thing! The House compromise bill eliminated the prepay option.
Lance.
I can see European Socialism from my house.
I'm old and am going to suck you dry.
Seriously
@amwldcoin Please explain your idea of double taxation. We have double taxation on coorproate profits on income. Property tax has no double taxation. Just tax assets like like stocks and bonds like houses and cars, and reduce income taxes further........maybe only a flat tax. Taxation of assets is an appropriate means of ensuring equality in our society.
OINK
Is it still true that 45% of American households pay no federal income tax? At all?
Is it also true that the top 20% still pay around 87% of all federal income tax?
How about the top 1%? Still around 46%?
I don't get why folks gripe about the rich getting a tax break. You cut taxes and the rich benefit too. How could it be otherwise?
If only the lowest tax payers got a break it wouldn't be much of a tax savings plan with any economic impact.
I'm all for helping the lowest income households. That would include me (at $24k/year...all social security...with $21k property taxes). I'm okay with the plan and ready to pay my share.
Lance.
I'm a conservative but I will gladly distance myself from your kind of thinking. It's exactly this sort of rhetoric that is divisive.
Merry Christmas just the same to you and yours
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Wasn't trying to prepay 2018 just wanted to pay the second half of 2017 before Dec 31. Second half of 2017 taxes are due in Spring 2018. That way I would have paid 1.5 times in 2017 calendar year and only .5 in 2018. This is allowed. However, im my particular case it didn't matter. No benefit. It may benefit others
Merry Christmas Lance
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
actually not.
Not repealed, but the subsidies were eliminated.
8.8 million people just signed up, so it couldn't be all bad
BHNC #203
Not uranium, not even Iranian....
I've already got $100 bet with another forum member on this NOT happening within six months of the last Baltimore show.
Want some?
Otherwise, stop talking out of Ur-anus.
In the end, we will always have the poor , the dreck and the schlock.
You pay taxes. You die. Nothing has changed.
It's been a bumper year for the news organizations, comedy and for hype. http://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/94060273a76684910a4e9423b94464ca1.jpg
sadly, I do agree with you.
One step forward, and three steps back
BHNC #203
I think the bill eliminated the option to prepay state and local income taxes.
I believe that property taxes could still be prepaid if your county allows it.
I just finished prepaying mine. The website even had a drop down option for the payment purpose of "prepayment for next year tax payment".
It's worth a shot since it won't be of any use to me as a deduction next year.
Any transaction fee tax applied to stock and bond sales would just increase the cost basis and lead to a lower reported capital gain. Plus there is a huge moneyed interest that will not allow that to happen.
Heck a lot of stocks now trade with a minimum of a 5 cent spread where you as an individual have to place your buy or sell order at the nickel increment, but market makers and high frequency traders can trade an any point in between the spread. It may not sound like much, but these firms make ten's of millions each skimming the difference.
Tax & Spend. It’s economical. Isn’t this how, or why we made cents of it ?
I’ll > @ColonelJessup said:
So Obama and the Clintons are just okay? LOL. Get a clue !
What a freaking joke. I’m gonna go laugh my ars off. Your a scary dude
The spin begins.
Several large companies have announced cash bonus to all of their non executive employee's, typically $1000.
Also some have announced increases in minimum wage to $15 per hour.
Right leaning media says 'see how great the tax plan is'
Left leaning media says 'the companies were going to do this anyways because of low unemployment'
Keeping our doctor, plan and saving $2,500 was funny too.
My coverage went down and my costs went up. It was hilarious.
I knew it would happen.
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@jmski52 said: "Keeping our doctor, plan and saving $2,500 was funny too."
No big deal, we all know there are lies, and damn lies.
Regardless of what side anyone is on, this thread is a real bummer for the run up to the Christmas weekend.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Don't worry India has it under control
https://theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/india-unveils-anti-smog-cannon-in-fight-against-delhi-pollution