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1871-CC Seated Liberty Quarter Counterfeit - How was this made?
Humbaby
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Authentic 1871 - CCs have mint marks with wide spacing between the two "c"s with one "c" on each side of the bottom arrow quiver. This counterfeit has a no space in between the cc mint mark directly under the last arrow quiver.
My guess is the coin has the correct weight and silver composition for a seated liberty quarter, so can anyone speculate on how it was made? Best phone pics I could get here. The phone pic gives it a golden hue, but the coin does has an expected silver appearance and tone.
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Appears to be modern Chinese die-struck counterfeit.
The graininess makes it look like a cast counterfeit. The obverse could be cast from a Philadelphia coin while the reverse might be from another Carson City Mint quarter issue. This would not be the first time that a counterfeiter used the mismatched images to make a rarity. The trouble is you have to be an expert in the series to notice the placement of the “CC” is wrong without going to “Coin Facts” or some other site with photos of the real thing.
@BillJones said: "The graininess makes it look like a cast counterfeit."
While this is true: "looks cast,'" the coin is probably 99.9% die struck. The Chinese have not been casting this type of fake for probably a decade at the least. The only way to prove this is a cast is to look for the characteristics we see on those coins - such as the graininess you mention. However, this thing is so crude that if it were a cast, there would be a large raised seam on its edge. Possibly something the OP would have noticed.
I've heard that the same thing was going on in the 1970's. The DIE STRUCK gold counterfeits were so crude that all the so-called "expert authenticators" were calling them casts because they didn't know better!
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Let's put this way. From the photos, the surfaces are bad enough for me not to want to get involved with it.
Here it is after I messed with the photos. If that is a Chinese die struck counterfeit, it's poor one. It sill looks like it was hatched from a mold to me.
Date font is way off, I suspect these dies were homemade and not chinese.
Interesting for sure.
bob
Until I see the edge, it is die struck. IMO, the only characteristic on this piece that remotely resembles a cast is the "cut" in the denticals to the right of the "A" in America.
BTW, I really, really, truly hope the coin turns out to be a cast after all. LOL, helps keep me humble.
Remember, a clock is exactly correct two times out of eighty-six thousand, four hundred times a day!
I saw the spot above the "A" also, and that confirmed my opinion that it's a cast, but until you get to handle the thing you never know. We can all agree IT'S BAD.
If you just break off the second hand from your clock, you'd be sixty times more accurate.
@BillJones said: "I saw the spot above the "A" also, and that confirmed my opinion that it's a cast, but until you get to handle the thing you never know. We can all agree IT'S BAD."
Actually a low power image of the edge or a high power image of its surface would be enough for some of us.
Allow me to post some things for you to consider:
Tried to capture a feature on the edge that might help identify the method.
Thanks for the input everyone!
These are very plentiful, unfortunately. I have seen 1872-s, and 1885 seated quarters with similar appearance. The dead giveaway is the dates are always horribily cast/struck. Link to 1885 quarter on the bay recently.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1885-US-Quarter-My-local-dealer-says-its-a-high-qaulity-restrike-weighs5-75gram/322902648301?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=1&asc=41376&meid=cc67ce4c3f544f8f8f9cbbc22a948edc&pid=100011&rk=2&rkt=12&sd=322892802138&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850
What is the backstory? How did you acquire th coin?
Latin American Collection
A relative who has since past gave my son a few odd ball coins and some 2 dollar bills several years ago. I only came across it when I was cleaning out his backpack recently and found the group of coins and bills in a small plastic bag tucked away in some obscure pocket.
The relative was not involved in numismatics, so no idea how they came across it. I'm sure they didn't pay anything for it as they would not have been inclined to pay more than .25 cents for any quarter.
I had collected for years as a kid, so I knew enough to figure out this was a counterfeit after a little research. Still have everything I collected when I was younger, so we will add to the collection with its interesting side story.
@Humbaby.... Welcome aboard.... Interesting counterfeit.... I tend to lean towards cast from the pictures... but the experts here are working toward a conclusion.... Cheers, RickO
Thats one backstory on these boards that I actually believe
Latin American Collection
This might add something in determining cast vs struck. It states coins are cast from this seller on alibaba. Well the seller could certainly not know due to the language barrier, but who knows?
http://173.214.160.124/item/1866-1887-CC-S-20PCS-USA-Seated-Liberty-Quarter-Dollar-Coins-COPY/32808802896.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_0_10130_10152_10151_10558_10557_10539_10594_10596_10595_10059_10312_10314_10534_10313_10533_10084_100031_10083_10547_10107_10546_10307_10604_10548_10603_10341_10065_10142_10340_10068_10343_10541_10342_10562_10345_10103_10344_10325_10545_10324,searchweb201603_0,ppcSwitch_0&algo_pvid=871763ce-d437-469f-8161-d7b1d76f215e&algo_expid=871763ce-d437-469f-8161-d7b1d76f215e-26