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CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

I have been meaning to write this for a couple months now but I am notoriously lazy and been traveling a lot.

The hobby can drag one down sometimes when you get stuck in the “gotta but to enjoy” cycles or one learns a lesson the hard way$$$$. Not to mention the limited examples of some coins creates unnecessary competition with jerks. But if that kind of stuff bums one out, it would be wise to focus on the best parts of the hobby. For me that is when I get in a room with like minded guys freely sharing thoughts and ideas while examining genuinely interesting relics from our history and chosen hobby. This was one such days

Some of you might remember when TDN pondered selling his chop mark set through legend auctions. That notion was short lived as our very own DDR reached out and quickly came to terms on the set. This combined the top two registry sets (Arguably the 2 greatest collections of chop mark dollars ever assembled) in to one monster set.

DDR reached out to some of the other Trade and Chop collectors and organized a get together at his place in the DC metro area. attendees
OriginalDan
TLeverage
DDR
KAZ
Rich L (not on forum)
KEOJ (face time)
my self

Not only did DDR have the legand collection present with some of his other highlights

But Rich L had the fortune to buy may of the rose coins when that collection was sold years ago. Simply amazing seeing the very coins features in the book such as chop marked seated and bust dollars, double eagles and many unique foreign examples. Really a unique collection.

I brought with me a couple of cool show and tell such as the former legand 1876s DDO chop mark trade (finest known) and one of only two complete wide CC (1.2mm) sets

It was simply a great day with great guys and we wrapped the whole thing up with tacos and a local restaurant. Congrats on the accomplishments DDR on putting togeather clearly the finest chop mark set and thank you for a truly special day that represents the best of our hobby.

David’s amazing Chop Mark set
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/dollars/trade-dollars-specialty-sets/trade-dollars-chop-mark-set-circulation-strikes-1873-1878/alltimeset/19247

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like you guys had fun. Thanks for sharing.

    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin Geeks of the Highest Order

    :p

    Betcha had a blast. Good on you guys

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I didn’t see any Capped Bust half dollars. Were there any there?

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes there was a chop mark bust Half.

  • TLeverageTLeverage Posts: 259 ✭✭✭

    The quality of chopmarked coins at this event was second to none, it took some time to find a date that fit everyone's schedules but it was absolutely worth it to see the caliber of coins that were present.

    DDR has now put together the cream from both his set and TDN, and their combined efforts really can't be topped by anyone else, more finest knowns than you can shake a stick at.

    A special thanks goes out to Rich L, whose collection of chopmarked pieces from the Rose Collecfion is fantastic to see in hand. Chopmarked examples of a Hawaiian Dala (unique), rare 8 Reales varieties, and much more than I could comfortably list here.

    The coins and company were top notch, my favorite "show" of the year!

    @BustDMs said:
    I didn’t see any Capped Bust half dollars. Were there any there?

    Yes, there was an example, which I still have. Dipped, but nice detail.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely great coins with absolutely great friend's. Don't get any better.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome set. Bet it was fun to look through all the examples.

    Trade $'s
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would have been fun to see those coins together. It also looks like some younger collectors in that group.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some very nice T Dollars here :smile:

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:
    I didn’t see any Capped Bust half dollars. Were there any there?

    Yes, there was an example, which I still have. Dipped, but nice detail.

    What Date?

    Are you willing to share your thoughts on the rarity of chops on the CBH’s? How about other US minors?

    Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?



    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



    A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic write-up, John, thanks for taking the time to do this.

    For my part, let me say it was an honor to host such a group of intellectually curious, friendly and helpful Trade Dollar and chop mark experts. When Keoj joined the conversation via Skype, I doubt there has ever been a time when such Trade Dollar knowledge has ever been gathered together at the same before.

    I have to salute and thank Bruce Morelan for putting together such an outstanding collection. I knew it was a great collection, but I was doubly impressed when the coins arrived and I was able to examine them one-by-one. The quality was all there and then some. And also thanks to Bruce for agreeing to sell me the set intact. I have combined the two sets and a number of the duplicates are off to fine homes where they will be appreciated.

    As for Rich Licato's collection, what can I say. Flipping through his collection was like flipping through the pages of the Frank Rose book on chopmarks, or Colin Gullburg's recent update. Rich bought many of the Rose coins when the collection was disbursed and it seemed like every coin I held in my hand I had seen before in one of those two books. It was one amazing coin after another.

    And I agree with John on one important point, as amazing as it was to see all of those chopmark and Trade Dollar rarities together at one time, the best part was sitting around and talking with an outstanding group of enthusiasts and collectors. The fellowship and camradarie were what made it all worthwhile. That day was the highlight of my numismatic year.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are a couple of highlight's that I purchased from Bruce (TradeDollarnut):

    The first is an 1878-CC Trade Dollar in AU-58. Very few 78-CC Trade Dollars were minted and about half of those were melted. Those that were issued circulated locally. However, a few did make it over to China. Probably less than a dozen survive chopmarked. Here is the nicest one I've seen:

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a 74-P. These are so tough to find chopmarked, PCGS has only certified 15 (compared to for example 117 of the 1874-CC). This one is a beauty in hand.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2017 8:11PM

    I love the idea of a mini-summit! It's definitely great to share the hobby and it looks like everyone had a great time!

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mbogoman said:
    Sounds like a great time!!!

    Rumor has it the next chop fest will be in the Seychelles ;) that is the one you will want to attend mbogoman

  • BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How is it we didn't hear about the sale?
    TDN sold his TDs? Was this a recent transaction? Good for you, wow what a great bunch of rare stuff.

    I would love to own any one of those TDs was the sale publicised?


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2017 9:05PM

    @BruceS said:
    How is it we didn't hear about the sale?
    TDN sold his TDs? Was this a recent transaction? Good for you, wow what a great bunch of rare stuff.

    I would love to own any one of those TDs was the sale publicised?

    His chops were sold intact

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BruceS said:
    How is it we didn't hear about the sale?
    TDN sold his TDs? Was this a recent transaction? Good for you, wow what a great bunch of rare stuff.

    I would love to own any one of those TDs was the sale publicised?

    To be clear it was his Chop set. I would check upcoming Legand auctions for some of the better duplacites considing it was two great set merged into one.

  • TLeverageTLeverage Posts: 259 ✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    What Date?

    Are you willing to share your thoughts on the rarity of chops on the CBH’s? How about other US minors?

    The date on the coin in question is 1811; it remains the earliest-dated chopped half dollar that I have seen.


    CBH's are generally quite scarce with chops, and several of the examples that I have seen with what are claimed to be chops, are in my opinion either graffiti or similar intentional damage for a purpose other than that of chop marks.

    US minors, with the exception of Seated Halves, are typically quite rare with chops, and generally increase in rarity as the denomination becomes smaller, but the populations of all US minors (apart from Seated Halves) are so small anyway the differences are nearly imperceptible. I'm talking populations of fewer than ten pieces (per type) that could be called genuine, as they were never intended to circulate as trade coins. For a minor to be chopped it means that it would have to travel as pocket change, be accepted and circulate as silver bullion, and then be spared the melting pot to survive to the modern day.

    The author of the most recent publication on chopmarks, Colin Gullberg, claims that he knows of fewer than five examples of Seated Liberty Quarters with chops. Frank Rose, the pioneer of chop collecting, had as one of the prizes of his collection a chopped 1836 Dime, but that chop is undecipherable (what he called a Mongolian chop), and of unknown origin; I have seen no others. Barber coinage, while scattered examples are known, is extremely scarce w/ chops, and many pieces of later date (post-1880) chopmarked US coinage display evidence of being later forgeries; dealer Hans Schulman would apply genuine chops to host coins that would not typically bear them to create his own rarities: this is where most of the known 'chopmarked' Peace Dollars originate.

    However, I believe that genuine examples exist of even chopmarked Large Cents. Very rare, their purpose was essentially the creation of a 'lucky penny' as opposed to a mercantile guarantee. But again, these originated from pocket change as opposed to the designated shipments of the Trade Dollar. However, their lack of silver content did encourage the small population that was created to endure.

    As a practice, chops ended with the rise of communism in the 1930's, and as a rule of thumb any pieces minted after 1915 should be considered suspect (though all examples should be considered with a grain of sand; the more esoteric, the more critical one should be).

  • shishshish Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations DDR on your wonderful addition. Crypto and friends thank you for sharing some details of your coin mini-summit. Sharing information and stories with fellow collectors and friends continues to be one of the highlights of numismatics for me. I would have loved to attend!

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @mbogoman said:
    Sounds like a great time!!!

    Rumor has it the next chop fest will be in the Seychelles ;) that is the one you will want to attend mbogoman

    We could stop at the Lower Zambezi in Zambia along the way and I could take you all fishing for Zambezi Tigerfish amongst the hippos, crocs and elephants!!!

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in. And then on to flats-fishing in the islands for bones and trevally. Wait a sec, aren't coins involved somehow?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What an amazing meeting and assemblage of coins.... truly a memorable occasion... Thanks for the pictures above....Cheers, RickO

  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19, 2017 9:55AM

    @DDR said:
    That day was the highlight of my numismatic year.

    Took the words out of my mouth. Was a privilege to be invited - I was the lone west coast attendee. Chopmark collecting is a bit of a niche. Many of the coins shared at this meet are unique or nearly so (with Chopmarks). Then theres quality of the Legend Collection of choppmarked trades put up next to DDR's own collection...OMG. I was seriously geeking out. I couldn't have designed the meeting better myself, as if it was tailored to my specific collecting interests. Thanks again DDR, thoroughly enjoyed the get-together and thanks to all attendees for the conversation and sharing of coins.

    As for the choice of food, don't forget just how many millions of Mexican coins took a boat ride to China where they picked up a few chops. Without the Mexican silver, Chinese trade would have been much, much different.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BustDM: I also have a chopmarked Bust Half, an 1836, but it is really beat up, not nearly as nice as TLeverage's posted above.

    BruceS: As Crypto mentioned, I only purchased Bruce's chopmarked set. I can't imagine Bruce ever selling off his main set. Some of the duplicates from the merger will be appearing in Legend's December Regency auction. Some others have already found their way to the collections of chopmark and Trade Dollar enthusiaists.

    Shish: We would have loved to have had you there! We tried to reach out to you, but I guess our attempts at communcation failed. Next time in Seychelles!

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TLeverage said:

    @BustDMs said:

    What Date?

    Are you willing to share your thoughts on the rarity of chops on the CBH’s? How about other US minors?

    The date on the coin in question is 1811; it remains the earliest-dated chopped half dollar that I have seen.


    CBH's are generally quite scarce with chops, and several of the examples that I have seen with what are claimed to be chops, are in my opinion either graffiti or similar intentional damage for a purpose other than that of chop marks.

    US minors, with the exception of Seated Halves, are typically quite rare with chops, and generally increase in rarity as the denomination becomes smaller, but the populations of all US minors (apart from Seated Halves) are so small anyway the differences are nearly imperceptible. I'm talking populations of fewer than ten pieces (per type) that could be called genuine, as they were never intended to circulate as trade coins. For a minor to be chopped it means that it would have to travel as pocket change, be accepted and circulate as silver bullion, and then be spared the melting pot to survive to the modern day.

    The author of the most recent publication on chopmarks, Colin Gullberg, claims that he knows of fewer than five examples of Seated Liberty Quarters with chops. Frank Rose, the pioneer of chop collecting, had as one of the prizes of his collection a chopped 1836 Dime, but that chop is undecipherable (what he called a Mongolian chop), and of unknown origin; I have seen no others. Barber coinage, while scattered examples are known, is extremely scarce w/ chops, and many pieces of later date (post-1880) chopmarked US coinage display evidence of being later forgeries; dealer Hans Schulman would apply genuine chops to host coins that would not typically bear them to create his own rarities: this is where most of the known 'chopmarked' Peace Dollars originate.

    However, I believe that genuine examples exist of even chopmarked Large Cents. Very rare, their purpose was essentially the creation of a 'lucky penny' as opposed to a mercantile guarantee. But again, these originated from pocket change as opposed to the designated shipments of the Trade Dollar. However, their lack of silver content did encourage the small population that was created to endure.

    As a practice, chops ended with the rise of communism in the 1930's, and as a rule of thumb any pieces minted after 1915 should be considered suspect (though all examples should be considered with a grain of sand; the more esoteric, the more critical one should be).

    Thanks for the information!

    Your comment on your 1811 being the earliest really intrigues me. I have a nice original surface 1812. I am happy to know it is one of the earliest. I assume there are a few draped bust halves?

    Great information. Thanks for sharing. Where can I pickup a copy of the latest book? If it is possible to get one directly from the author autographed it would be my preference as I also collect autographed numismatic books.

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    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



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  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    Where can I pickup a copy of the latest book? If it is possible to get one directly from the author autographed it would be my preference as I also collect autographed numismatic books.

    BustDM I'll PM you the authors' email address. Not sure he still has any or would be able to autograph one, but he's a good guy and will likely try to make it happen.

  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19, 2017 12:32PM

    A few pictures of coins now in my collection after this mini-summit. Love all of them, thanks DDR and TDN.

    1874-P PCGS MS61 Ex. DDR. As mentioned above, super tough to find a mint-state 74-P with chops.

    1875-S PCGS MS64 Ex. DDR. For all the TD's I've owned, I never bought a 75-S type I/I because they are so common and I was being picky. This one is much nicer than most of the coins in my collection, discounted for the "damage" ;)

    1875-S/CC PCGS MS62 Ex. Legend. Very nice eye-appealing coin, especially for the grade given.

    1876-P (4-finger variety) PCGS AU58. Ex. DDR Somewhat proof-like, expected given both the obv. and rev. dies were also used for proof coinage. One of my top varieties, in the past was debated whether there were any circulation strike examples but this pretty much proves there were.

    1876-CC PCGS MS62 Ex. Legend. Another lovely for the grade example.

  • TLeverageTLeverage Posts: 259 ✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    Thanks for the information!

    Your comment on your 1811 being the earliest really intrigues me. I have a nice original surface 1812. I am happy to know it is one of the earliest. I assume there are a few draped bust halves?

    Great information. Thanks for sharing. Where can I pickup a copy of the latest book? If it is possible to get one directly from the author autographed it would be my preference as I also collect autographed numismatic books.

    Would love to see an image; any genuinely chopmarked examples of early US issues are interesting, and I really enjoy seeing new examples.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking at those coins, Dan, I ask myself: "They are beautiful, why did I ever let them go?!!" But what makes me happy is that they are with someone who can appreciate them.

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great thread. This one is a catch and release from earlier this year from the other end of the spectrum. One of the last pieces to be chopmarked:

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:
    Great thread. This one is a catch and release from earlier this year from the other end of the spectrum. One of the last pieces to be chopmarked:

    I remember that from Ebay I think, I considered it but want convinced it was a proper chop. Test cut sure but chop? It is really late in the period and one would like it definitive. Cool never the less

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DDR said:
    Looking at those coins, Dan, I ask myself: "They are beautiful, why did I ever let them go?!!" But what makes me happy is that they are with someone who can appreciate them.

    Sums up my feelings exactly. Looks like a great event!

  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    I remember that from Ebay I think, I considered it but want convinced it was a proper chop. Test cut sure but chop? It is really late in the period and one would like it definitive. Cool never the less

    Which certainly begs the question: If our hosts call it a chop, does that make it a chop?

    In-hand, it had the characteristics of a chop--same size, same depth, same coloration, placement. It's of the region, of the era, the right metal and denomination where a chop would be logical.

    The edges of the chop, IIRC, were slightly beveled in a way that made it seem intentional rather than just a random V shape. Translations of the chop " 人 "could be "People", "Person", "Human Being"--all of which are intriguing given its period of history and the rise of communism.

    It's too bad it wasn't a more defined, recognizable character. But it is an interesting bookend to the discussion of the era of chopmarks.

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:

    @Crypto said:

    I remember that from Ebay I think, I considered it but want convinced it was a proper chop. Test cut sure but chop? It is really late in the period and one would like it definitive. Cool never the less

    Which certainly begs the question: If our hosts call it a chop, does that make it a chop?

    In-hand, it had the characteristics of a chop--same size, same depth, same coloration, placement. It's of the region, of the era, the right metal and denomination where a chop would be logical.

    The edges of the chop, IIRC, were slightly beveled in a way that made it seem intentional rather than just a random V shape. Translations of the chop " 人 "could be "People", "Person", "Human Being"--all of which are intriguing given its period of history and the rise of communism.

    It's too bad it wasn't a more defined, recognizable character. But it is an interesting bookend to the discussion of the era of chopmarks.

    I agree with all of your points except maybe that after dealing in the niche that PCGS opinion on what a chop is and isn’t shouldn’t be taken as gospel. I know plenty that are widely accepted that they don’t and many that are dubious at best in Chop holders

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ever feel like a square outside an inner circle of trust ? And I wonder how many Chinese merchants it took to start this fad.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my mind I rotated Weiss' chopmarked coin, and came up with my own translation: the Federation (Star Trek).

  • TLeverageTLeverage Posts: 259 ✭✭✭

    Hopping on the train of examples from this extraordinary meetup, I was forced to be picky but was more than happy to pick up the following:

    1876-P PCGS AU-58 Chop Mark, Ex-DDR, Ex-Sneddon. Good looking for the grade, and on an underrated host. The PCGS Pop Reports record just 12 examples, and a single MS specimen, for the 1876-P Trade Dollar w/ chops, but the prices do not reflect their rarity, especially given that all three conventional hub combos exist for the date as well as the four finger 'Transitional' Obverse Hub. I hope to one day put together that complete set for the Centennial, as examples of all four (including the elusive Type 2/2) exist with chops.

    1876-S PCGS MS-64 Chop Mark, Ex-DDR. Booming luster, fantastic cartwheel, and interesting, sharp chops. I couldn't ask for more in a common date T$.

    And @OriginalDan, if you ever feel the need to sell that 75-S w/ the 'X' chop, you know I've got a set that could use that particular coin!

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ex DDR

    Ex OriginalDan (rev of 76)

    Ex Legend

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recognize a few faces from coin shows!

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    I recognize a few faces from coin shows!

    and one from the post office

    m

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a great thread as mentioned above... and I just have to contribute my Chop TD to this thread.... Cheers, RickO

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow!
    What a cool gathering, great coins!
    Particularly would love to see the Rose coins...fantastic!
    I have a companion here to one of them... it's been awhile since I've posted it so here it is :)

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats to all who participated. This is what coin collecting is all about!

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    If a tpg says something is a chop it doesn't mean it always is and if they say something isn't a chop it doesn't necessarily mean it isn't. As far as I am concerned they are experts in the field of grading and with that make their share of mistakes but they aren't the last word expert in chop marks and will thus make even more mistakes attributing them correctly. That is just the way it is, it is the game that is being played now and hopefully it will evolve. They can't be experts in everything especially since they have't been grading chops all that long and at the same time collectors want them to grade them, they are just fulfilling a need with a great service. That is why I will resubmit until I feel like I am getting what I want, some may think it is stupid and wasteful but it is how I chose to deal with the problem as I see it.

    While in typically Alan fashion a sentence or two longer than it needed to be, I agree 100%

    You need to stop being reasonable, the board enjoys our bantering

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And I agree with Crypto.

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