edynamic marketing out of business?
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I haven't seen any of his grossly AT'd offerings on ebay lately.
Anyone have further information?
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Just saw a bunch a few days ago... does anyone know a way to block sellers on Ebay searches ? Id really like to block this guys coins from coming up in my searches for toned coins....
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seem still active
https://ebay.com/sch/edynamicmarketing/m.html?item=272761103813&hash=item3f81d425c5%3Ag%3ARowAAOSwhilZZ5yw&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Still around, unfortunately.
Someone should start a database of all the coins he has sold to save for posterity. I wish I had the time.
I sure as hell hope so!!!
Unfortunately more and more of his stuff is finding its way into PCGS and NGC plastic...
Simple store search...
1371 for PCGS and
467 NGC...
Not saying all of those are AT but I remember when he started and almost none of his coins were in plastic...
He definitely buys and then sells naturally toned coins to legitimize his coin doctoring. I once pulled a listing when he was high bidder.
With 9500 plus current auctions, just how hard did you look before asking if he is out of business?
Don't forget his raw gems. This one is only $34.99.
The AT market is alive and thriving.... He is certainly not the only purveyor of technicolor trash... though he is a major player at this time. The really well done products still sell and slab....Cheers, RickO
Oh my god I hate this seller!!! He is still around. How could we get this guy off of EBay? You figure if enough different EBay users complain about him maybe we could do something.
PCGS needs to flag this guy and ban him from submitting or at least review all his coins with extra scrutiny for AT. Below is a link to a coin that he likely submitted himself. PCGS should identify the individual that submitted this and watch all further orders from him. this is just getting ridiculous.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-PCGS-PR67-UNIQUE-Rainbow-Color-Toned/282672988182?hash=item41d09f8016:g:glIAAOSwnjpZzS3Z
Its amazing how his toning patterns are all so similar....
This one must be the twin of the proof 68-S JFK...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-S-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-PCGS-PR67-Stunning-Rainbow-Color-Toned/282673001757?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=2&asc=49476&meid=6c72e4bf36124c4d9c4a0d9e51da05ac&pid=100005&rk=6&rkt=6&sd=282672988182&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m2219
And the BU brother of those two coins...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-D-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-PCGS-MS64-Attractive-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem/272830107632
and a proof 68-S JFK...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-PCGS-PR64-Gorgeous-Light-Rainbow-Color-Toned/282672993947
Same toning pattern on a PCGS graded Peace $... so its just not moderns...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Peace-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-63-Rare-Crazy-Metal-Blue-Color-Toned/282544952672
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Both PCGS and NGC should be photographing every coin that comes through their doors. That way when someone sends in a bunch of coins for reholder and TV, that group can be compared to the original grading images. Then when every coin in that submission is drastically different from the originals, alarms can go off. PCGS should then send all the coins back, charge the fees and cancel the certification numbers. That would at least slow clowns like this down.
What he is doing could be considered fraud, as he is taking a coin in a good holder, gassing it, then sending it in for reholder and TV. The cert number stays good, it appears that the coin is now legit, and he is representing something that would never truly make it through the grading room.
And NGC does photo every coin that gets holder.... and many of his coins have TrueViews... I doubt those coins were gassed in the holders... I know people want to believe that PCGS/NGC would never actually grade such blatantly AT'd coins but dont you think that a tampered holder would be much easier for a grading company to detect than AT ? And once they saw one tampered holder it would send up red flags all over the place...
Thousands of AT toned coins that made it past a bunch of graders doesnt ruin a company -- but a handful of tampered plastic slabs can -- that can of worms is much much larger. AT is a matter of opinion. A slab that can easily be tampered with is a matter of fact...
This guy's stuff is ridiculous. What did PT Barnum say about the people who buy this stuff?
So how exactly does he end up with coins that have been proven to have started out white, end up toned and in new holders with TrueView images with the same old certificate number? It's widely known that especially the older holders, they are not air tight. He's not tampering with the holder, simply taking advantage of a flaw. My guess is he's using pressure cookers.
The engineer/scientist/inventor/experimenter in me wants to try to do what he is allegedly doing, but I have more important things on my plate at the moment
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someone in the past showed from eBay a purchase and then relisting in a couple weeks of one of their beauties - it went from white to ugly periphery around the tong holders in a couple weeks. it has been theorized that a few of these ( ? toned in slab ? ) went back to PCGS for re-holder and truview. If that is the case, I suspect that only the photographers and slabbing technicians did most of the work, and graders did not see the coins again in their new and improved (quickie inslab AT) condition.
on a positive note, they are so ugly most people are repulsed by them anyway. I am not sure who is buying, but they continue to do so.
I took at look at most of the threads/posts discussing edynamicmarketing. I saw a lot of people guessing how he's getting his toned coins in PCGS and NGC holders. I did not see a single poster say they used a gassing technique (microholes in the slabs, using needles to inject the slab, using a pressure cooker ect) and replicated edynamicmarketing's results. Just a lot of supposition... Perhaps I missed the thread where someone else did replicate his toning patterns using microholes, injections or a pressure cooker. If I did please show me a link to the results. Im not saying its impossible Im just saying its very unlikely.
Until someone can replicate his patterns - I will go with Occam's Razor and accept that that the most simple explanation is usually the correct answer... and that answer is he's sending them in toned and they are getting pass the graders of both PCGS and NCG... sad but true...
Since PCGS doesnt photograph every graded coin and NGC does lets look at his NGC graded coins... and the verification photos from NGC...
The photos from NCG seem to show that these coins were toned prior to being slabbed. They all seem to have his signature toning patterns/colors. Does NGC re-image coins that have been re-slabbed ? I dont know... maybe but why would they ? NGC's own PR says coins are imaging as part of the grading process, it doesnt mention not reholdering.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-Washington-Silver-Quarter-NGC-PF-66-Monster-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-8398-/272931489814?hash=item3f8bfc0816
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2694078-057/66/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-O-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-1-NGC-MS63-Toned-Monster-Rainbow-Color-/282731690308?hash=item41d41f3944
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/3545658-038/63/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-S-Eisenhower-Silver-Dollar-Ike-NGC-PF-66-Cameo-Rainbow-Color-Toned-Gem-/272744701110?hash=item3f80d9dcb6
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4298855-029/66/
You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is obviously higher of PCGS and NGC of catching AT coins. A lot of members on here know how strict and picky they can be. So in my view Occam's Razor would dictate that the chances of batch after batch of these bad coins getting by 3 graders when they all have very similar toning colors, is minute. Is it possible? Yes, but so is winning the Powerball jackpot.
My theory of how he is toning these coins, is only a guess. It is an educated guess though. The term "gassing" has been used over and over on threads about this guy, it's a simple matter of searching out the threads.
I've never claimed he has put micro holes in the holders. There is no need to do that. The holders are simply not air tight. This is why PCGS no longer honors its warranty on color designated coins such as copper. Because the environment in which the coins are stored even when holdered has proven to effect the coin. The simple act of shipping a coin across the country impacts the coin in the holder. If the coin is on an aircraft in a package in a cargo hold, then it is stored in very frigid temperatures as well as very low pressure (equivalent to around 35,000 feet or so), the holder equalizes to the surrounding atmosphere. When the coin lands the holder re-pressurizes to the surrounding atmosphere. That atmosphere can be dry or very humid.
There was a thread not long ago about a whole slew of PCGS Certified coins with TrueViews that had the cert numbers nuked. A few people showed images of the original coins in the original holders, the coins were white. If you had found a way to artificially tone a coin in the holder and you wanted to legitimize that claim by providing a TrueView image of the coin. What would be the easiest way to accomplish that? One that would involve the fewest scrutinizing eye's as possible? Reholder with TrueView service added or cracking them all out and crossing your fingers that they all made it past 2 graders and a finalizer?
Where is the thread of the before and after pictures?
I remember it a while back, it clearly shows him buying blast white coins and within a couple months he had them for sale with that trademarked toning. He got wise over the years and started the reholder game and he has been quite successful.
I tried looking for the old threads but I can't seem to find them? , but I know what I saw and it's a pretty well known fact. I just cant believe he continues to get away with It.
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You answer or educated guess fails to address the evidence from NCG that illustrates the coins are toned before being certified though...
Are you aware of KPL out of Utah ? He's been getting his modern toned coins into PCGS holders for years (10+) - they all look the same they all have the same patterns/colors. I own a few of his coins... He absolutely doesnt gas his coins in holders... Ive bought raw toned coins from him that have the same patterns as the coins that were graded by PCGS. His coins sell for very nice premiums.
edynamicmarketing isnt the only one... he's one of many...
Its really not that hard to get AT coins into graded plastic... especially moderns. PCGS is especially lax when it comes to toning on moderns...
I have not heard of KPL. Not everyone AT's coins. The evidence against edynamicmarketing is grossly overwhelming. I've also had the displeasure of experiencing his pathetic business ethics first hand. The guy is simply a scumbag of the worst sort.
We can both agree to disagree. I'm not sure why you are trying to defend him, but that is your right to do so. I for one, can't stand them.
By the way, I would love it if you could PM me a link to KPL's stuff. I'd love to see it.
It is obvious the majority of his stuff is AT and not even attractive toning at that so I dont know who buys his crap. I think the reality is though that PC or anyody else is legally handcuffed to do anything about it becuase he is the owner of the slabbed coins and he can do whatever rhe hell he wants to them period and thats a fact. Buyer beware and that goes for anyone buying anything in slabs. I have seen several recently slabbed coins that the two "sonically sealed" pieces just come apart and can be fitted back together and if someone was unscrupulous could slip another inferior coin in and pass it off. Know your shiat or pay the piper.
Here are some of his old offensive PCGS gasses:
Buffalo with brain and arm cancer variety.
I'm not sure why you are trying to defend him, but that is your right to do so. I for one, can't stand them.
Im not defending him. Im stating my opinion that he isnt gassing coins in the slabs and I presented evidence of that - photos of coins he sent into NCG that obviously shows the coins were toned before they were certified. Some seem to think PCGS or NGC would obviously catch his AT work - they dont.
No one has presented any evidence that proves he gasses his coins in the slab and then sends them back to PCGS and NCG for reholdering.
Here's a link some of KPL's coins as posted by bolivarshagnasty in 2016... these are not gassed in the holder either...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11577064#Comment_11577064
Asked in 2017. The answer in 2019 is they seem to have a new inventory now.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1014031/a-flood-of-semi-circle-toned-coins-has-hit-ebay-all-proofs-from-the-same-well-known-seller#latest
TWO YEAR OLD THREAD---RED ALERT!!!
And to think I was getting excited, oh well.
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