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1798 Draped Bust Dollar Small Eagle

This one has me stumped. I can't spot where/if the coin has been plugged, the whizzed surfaces certainly don't help. Did PCGS get this wrong? I know they mis-identified it as being a Large Eagle when it obviously is not.

https://ebay.com/itm/1798-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Small-Eagles-PCGS-Genuine-/182846389799?

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fields have obviously had the metal in them moved. If you look inside the date and letters, you will see a different surface. There is a fake sheen the the surface of the fields. There is also a bright spot between the "ER" in "LIBERTY."

    I am on a iPad and can't post pictures. I will see what I can do tomorrow to show you the difference.

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  • BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Right above her head below the E and R I see some discoloring? Like you said its tough to tell as the fields have most likely been smoothed at some point. Other than that, a very desirable coin.

    nice piece of history and going to realize strong money.


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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a nice looking coin, but it's easy to see that the surfaces have been messed with from the photo. I will post a pictures of a dipped, but not polished 1795 dollar tomorrow.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That ERT area on the obverse looks funky and the corresponding area after AMERICA on the reverse looks odd, as well.

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  • BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭

    That was the first 18th century silver coin I bought in XF45. Years later bought an ex Cardinal example but have since sold the Cardinal piece. Great piece of history

    The plug shows on the lower right reverse besides tweet the E R

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree. Round discolored plug between the "ER." You'll notice the altered surface (no metal flow) on the reverse where the hole was repaired. The color and uniformity of a coin's surface are very useful to detect repairs, etc.

    BTW, there is a big difference between a labeling error and missing an alteration. I'll bet this is what happened, the coin was input as a large eagle. Then the first grader detected the repair and that the coin was a small eagle. In his excitement, he forgot to correct the variety and all that saw the coin after that were more concentrated on the plug.

  • ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    That ERT area on the obverse looks funky and the corresponding area after AMERICA on the reverse looks odd, as well.

    OK, I see the oval shaped plug outline on the reverse.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting... had my eye on this one :/

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2017 10:06AM

    The lower right serif on E in LIBERTY was re-engraved after the hole was plugged, and is slightly lower than the base of R, when it should be slightly higher than R on BB-82.

    The re-engraved E can also be determined by comparing it to the reverse E's, which have parallel base and top, the obverse E has a base that drifts downward and is not parallel to the top.

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  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still very nice coin.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2017 8:45AM

    There are two varieties of 1798 Small Eagle Bust Dollars. This one and the OP are the same variety, B-2 (Bolender) and BB-82 (Bowers). Here is the piece in my "Red Book" set. This one is graded VF-35.


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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As others have said, at the ER of LIBERTY. The great majority of holes are at 12 o'clock on the obverse, to hang on a ribbon or whatever.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still a nice coin..... pretty good work, though detectable.... Cheers, RickO

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is a definite plug at the "ER" as others have said. It also appears that a second plug is possible on Liberty's upper chest. Whoever worked on this coin was quite skillful.

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