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1893 Morgan - Genuine or Altered Date?

C0inCollect0rC0inCollect0r Posts: 374 ✭✭
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Hi folks,

I'm curious to get your opinions on whether you think this is a genuine 1893 Morgan or not. I may be overly paranoid because of how many fakes and scams I've seen recently, but the "3" of the date looks a bit weird to me.

Anyhow, here are the pics:



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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm new to looking at Morgan's but just a quick search and I see the 3's look different on graded Morgan's so I would say altered date.

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  • BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2017 9:03AM

    Somebody played with that date no doubt


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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look like an altered 1898 to me. Looks kind of like tooling marks.

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  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't look like the 1893 dollars pictured in PCGS Coin Facts or NGC Coin Explorer. It could very well be a altered 1898.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An 1898 dollar that just took a sip from the fraudulent fountain of youth.

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Altered all the way.
    :(

  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's altered; and not even close. Here it is compared to a legitimate 1893 that Heritage sold.

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Altered. Good eye

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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭

    The 9 is closed on the authentic one, open on the OP coin.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a match at all, definitely altered, just like these two 'Twins'.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Funky surface, too.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    fake

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will join the above and agree that it is an altered date..... good catch. Cheers, RickO

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree--poorly executed altered date.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what?

    no 'S'?

    If you are going to fake one, pick a key.

    The quickly go to eBay....

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2017 5:40AM

    An 1893-P sells for enough of a premium over an 1898-P to make the date alteration worthwhile. Some crooks, like the Chinese counterfeiters, are happy to get half a loaf instead of grabbing the whole thing. A fake 1893-P might fly under the radar better than a fake 1893-S. The super key date coin will get more scrutiny.

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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭✭

    Is that in a slab?

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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely altered date, run Forest run !!!

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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭

    Reminds me of the time many decades ago when I was wrongly tempted and hired a man to turn back my odometer. He drilled a hole, turned it back, then capped the hole he made with an off color button.

    Needless to say, it was so obvious what had happened, it would have fooled no one. Leaned my lesson.

    Only a neophyte would be fooled by that date alteration.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It does not matter, the coin is too ugly to own in either case.

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