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GTG 1/2¢ and Bust Dollar

Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Just got these two back from our hosts. Thought I would throw these out there for your grade guessing pleasures.

1804 1/2¢ crosslet 4, stems, the green dot in the ribbon loupe is not green in hand.

1797 $1 9*7 large letters

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2017 4:56AM

    Choice AU on first near AU on second? Just a guess; Also env. damage on dollar, I assumed they were numerical.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58 on the half cent, but could be MS - great looking coin!

    Really not sure about the bust dollar - VF25?

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm assuming they are straight graded!

    1/2 cent AU53(netting going on IMHO)
    Bust Dollar VF35

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,552 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU50 & VF30

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd have to see the 1/2 Cent. I owned a plain 4 variety in MS 65 BN. Your coin appears to be a late die state, which makes it harder to grade. The crud in the obverse left field is probably something from the mint.
    Like the obverse toning. The reverse toning, not so much, though I can't see this as not being market acceptable.
    I see some softness in the hair, so I'd say the coin is not Unc. This is reinforced by some light wear on some of the upper leaves on both sides of the reverse. I'd say it's a top notch AU, but I'm old school about grading. I've seen some Capped Bust Halves in this shape in MS 62, and occasionally, MS 63 holders.

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guesses are all over the place so I'll put out another outlier... I'll guess AU55 on the half cent and XF45 on the Dollar.

  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    interesting results thus far. Ill be posting the labels tonight after our coin club meeting.

  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55,40_

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50 and 35.... Cheers, RickO

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU and EF


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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 & 45

  • cnncoinscnncoins Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    58
    40

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    35/40 on the bust, I don't know on the 1/2C. :smile:

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 and mabe 40

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55 & 30

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  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first instinct was 58 and 45.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53 and 35?

  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53 and 35

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  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well sadly they both came back as "Details Grades".

    The half cent I thought was a solid AU58, AU Details Cleaned. Great eye appeal, nice luster, this is a coin I will try again. Just a stellar piece, and details or not it will be part of my type set for the long term.

    The Bust Dollar I was on mixed I was hoping for VF30, VF Details Environmental Damage. Toss up on this as I think the obv is quite nice in hand and the rev is a bit washed out. Possibly old cleaning that was stored in album only allowing the obv to tone back. Hard to say what I will do with this, might just sell and take the loss.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting....I wasn't sure about the dollar, thinking it may have been netted to VF25 due to an old cleaning and rev rim bump. But the half cent looked Ok in the photos.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well... that is disappointing...I thought the half cent would grade well.... Cheers, RickO

  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, sorry to let everyone down. Thought I would post some of my gamble losses. I post plenty of winners, so its only fitting to show there are two sides to every collection. This sub of 15 coins had these two details grade, the sub previous to this I sent off 31, 3 detail grades and 1 no grade.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not surprised. If I had reflected on them more I probably would been more accurate. Knee jerk response. Always do an acetone dip, not sure if conservation would help here.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,617 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was concerned about the colors on the half cent when I saw it. The patterns of the red parts were not consistent with natural toning. I resisted saying something because I did not want to discourage the person who posted the coin.

    The black toning and spots combined with the white color on the reverse were the warning signs on the dollar. The obverse looks to be quite nice. It's just a guess, but the dollar may have been washed with soap and water years ago and not properly rinsed in the reverse which accounts for spots. Soap can have some nasty stuff in it that can damage coins if it is left on the surfaces long enough.

    Both coins might have been very nice pieces if they had been left alone.

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The color on the reverse of the 1/2 Cent was funky, but I've seen worse in 1st world slabs.

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