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Am I being overly picky or is this a dog of a 66+ CAC Morgan?

FadeToBlackFadeToBlack Posts: 7,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

Hope Americana doesn't mind me borrowing their pics of this thing.

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    Hope Americana doesn't mind me borrowing their pics of this thing.

    It's a 100% dawg...for the assigned grade.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it were my inventory, I'd sure mind.
    Don't like? Don't buy.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2017 8:55AM

    Removed. I didn't realize this was an active sale by a forum member.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The OP is still active though.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's probably very attractive in hand.. would likely benefit from a video like iwog did for that 23-d Peace he sold.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    It's probably very attractive in hand.. would likely benefit from a video like iwog did for that 23-d Peace he sold.

    If I had to guess, the luster is great in hand, and the marks are just light grazes and high-point chatter that really pops under diffused light. Maybe just one of those coins that doesn't image well.

    Exactly my thoughts.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a pretty healthy cut across the eagle's breast!

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmmm, Not a full strike for sure. Thought 66's had to be fully struck. Guess I'm old school on that.

    bob

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I were in the market for a high grade 1896 dollar, which I could because of the presidential election that occurred that year, I would pass unless it had a bargain price.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it and the reason it popped to a plus would be the super clean fields. They are amazing.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2017 10:08AM

    Since you own it now, I'll comment freely. I don't agree with the grade, and I would not pay MS66 money for it based on the image unless I thought I could flip it for a quick score.

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to be a player on this as well but I couldn't get past the mark on the eagles chest. That said I wouldn't call it a dog, I think the obverse will look great in hand and agree it's probably one that is just tough to photograph in it's best light. I recently sold a 66+ CAC that looked 10x worse than this one did in photos no matter what I did to image it better. The sticker sold it I'm sure as it went fast still and I received rave feedback so just goes to show pictures don't tell the whole story.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilLynott said:
    I was going to be a player on this as well but I couldn't get past the mark on the eagles chest. That said I wouldn't call it a dog, I think the obverse will look great in hand and agree it's probably one that is just tough to photograph in it's best light. I recently sold a 66+ CAC that looked 10x worse than this one did in photos no matter what I did to image it better. The sticker sold it I'm sure as it went fast still and I received rave feedback so just goes to show pictures don't tell the whole story.

    How did it compare to the images specifically?

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2017 10:51AM

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @PhilLynott said:
    I was going to be a player on this as well but I couldn't get past the mark on the eagles chest. That said I wouldn't call it a dog, I think the obverse will look great in hand and agree it's probably one that is just tough to photograph in it's best light. I recently sold a 66+ CAC that looked 10x worse than this one did in photos no matter what I did to image it better. The sticker sold it I'm sure as it went fast still and I received rave feedback so just goes to show pictures don't tell the whole story.

    How did it compare to the images specifically?

    In hand I think it was a below average 66 (I do not think it was worthy of a + or sticker) but a little too nice for a 65+. In pictures it looked like a flashy 64. It had semi-PL fields and all I can figure is those just accentuated every tiny imperfection. I priced it below market and it sold fast to someone who loved it so happy ending and I didn't lose more than a few bucks on it.

    Also I bought it on pictures that showed the slab from like 3 feet away, so took a gamble on it to begin with. The guy I bought it from must have had the same troubles shooting it and eventually said screw it and posted far away shots lol

  • NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭

    Nice coin. Congrats on the purchase. Nice toning.

    Suprised by the grade. Maybe I sould send in my 65s to get a 66+ in the future...

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2017 11:21AM

    I like it. I'm guessing the photo technique is not helping it, but unless it's amazingly flashy it's probably better at MS66.

    If you grade backwards from 70 it has to have at least a few issues. A peace dollar with this exact look would top out at 65.

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Since you own it now, I'll comment freely. I don't agree with the grade, and I would not pay MS66 money for it based on the image unless I thought I could flip it for a quick score.

    yea... a 65 +

  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭

    OK except for the slash on the eagle.

    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well, good luck

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bet the scrapes on Liberty's cheek and the field in front of Liberty's face are superficial. While the hit on the Eagle looks serious, I am not sure it would not qualify for 66+. I bet it will look much better in hand than you anticipate. Good luck.

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice original lustre and unplayed with in saying so. + because of that pretty toning. The hit on the eagle doesn't bother me. The price was fair for the coin as I can see it, although not in hand. I like the CAC.
    Now, dawg is a bit harsh and I don't have it in hand, but again looks like original (no light dip flash) lustre.
    Toning is nice.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another deductive way of looking at coins such as this:
    How much do you deduct for the breast hit? One point? Half a point?
    I have to think a point.
    OK, does the rest of the coin look 67+?
    I would say no, but that' my humble opinion.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No. Yes.

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+ and CAC...... wow... seems there are a lot of doubters for such lofty credentials.... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fields are very clean on 80 % of the coin so I think a 66 is warranted. Thi hit on eagle because it is or looks deep doesn't make it a plus in my book. Strike is ave minus for a P mint, I think..

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2017 8:03AM

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    It's probably very attractive in hand.. would likely benefit from a video like iwog did for that 23-d Peace he sold.

    If I had to guess, the luster is great in hand, and the marks are just light grazes and high-point chatter that really pops under diffused light. Maybe just one of those coins that doesn't image well.

    You out bid me. I expected it to hit $500.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    It's probably very attractive in hand.. would likely benefit from a video like iwog did for that 23-d Peace he sold.

    Maybe just one of those coins that doesn't image well.

    Seems to be a common attribute to many of Heritage's offerings.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man that Eagle looks like it was stabbed in the chest! ;)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    Mmm yeah, pics were accurate, not a big fan of this coin, but I guess it fills a hole for now.

    You might be able to flip it for a quick profit. If all else fails, at least CAC might make you an offer.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's interesting, with the little crescent and all, and the field BEHIND her head, looks pretty clean, but I would agree about the cheek and the field in front of the face...and the small gash on the eagle's breast. :(

    I have 2 PCGS MS64 green CAC 1896 morgans. One toned on the obv, which hides some of the chatter (which, is either equal or less than this one) and one toned on the reverse. I prefer them both over this one because of the blast white look with the cheek and left obv field issues.
    The small gash on the breast doesn't really bother me near as much as the other issues.
    I only want to keep one, and haven't decided which to keep (one was originally NGC 64 and one was raw) but they were both less than this one and I just couldn't get over those 2 aforementioned issues :(

    Does it fill a whole for that date/mm in that grade? Or just for the date/mm?

    Btw, the auction photo capture is pretty small for the coin pic, but did it show the cheek and field in the same way? From the small pic, it almost looks like it didn't (lighting or touch up applied). If it didn't, that would upset me.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a fan.

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have an 84 CC in PC 6 with a sticker which looks better in hand than this image, and I think the TPGs are 1/2 to 3/4 point looser of grading CC Morgans than those from other mints.

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't like it as a 66.

    65 or 65+ seems more accurate (judging from pictures of course).

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see it getting a 66. The luster looks like it's there.

    Larry

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