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Am I being overly picky or is this a dog of a 66+ CAC Morgan?
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Hope Americana doesn't mind me borrowing their pics of this thing.
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It's a 100% dawg...for the assigned grade.
If it were my inventory, I'd sure mind.
Don't like? Don't buy.
Removed. I didn't realize this was an active sale by a forum member.
The OP is still active though.
It's probably very attractive in hand.. would likely benefit from a video like iwog did for that 23-d Peace he sold.
Collector, occasional seller
Exactly my thoughts.
Collector, occasional seller
That's a pretty healthy cut across the eagle's breast!
Hmmmm, Not a full strike for sure. Thought 66's had to be fully struck. Guess I'm old school on that.
bob
If I were in the market for a high grade 1896 dollar, which I could because of the presidential election that occurred that year, I would pass unless it had a bargain price.
I like it and the reason it popped to a plus would be the super clean fields. They are amazing.
Since you own it now, I'll comment freely. I don't agree with the grade, and I would not pay MS66 money for it based on the image unless I thought I could flip it for a quick score.
I was going to be a player on this as well but I couldn't get past the mark on the eagles chest. That said I wouldn't call it a dog, I think the obverse will look great in hand and agree it's probably one that is just tough to photograph in it's best light. I recently sold a 66+ CAC that looked 10x worse than this one did in photos no matter what I did to image it better. The sticker sold it I'm sure as it went fast still and I received rave feedback so just goes to show pictures don't tell the whole story.
How did it compare to the images specifically?
In hand I think it was a below average 66 (I do not think it was worthy of a + or sticker) but a little too nice for a 65+. In pictures it looked like a flashy 64. It had semi-PL fields and all I can figure is those just accentuated every tiny imperfection. I priced it below market and it sold fast to someone who loved it so happy ending and I didn't lose more than a few bucks on it.
Also I bought it on pictures that showed the slab from like 3 feet away, so took a gamble on it to begin with. The guy I bought it from must have had the same troubles shooting it and eventually said screw it and posted far away shots lol
Nice coin. Congrats on the purchase. Nice toning.
Suprised by the grade. Maybe I sould send in my 65s to get a 66+ in the future...
I like it. I'm guessing the photo technique is not helping it, but unless it's amazingly flashy it's probably better at MS66.
If you grade backwards from 70 it has to have at least a few issues. A peace dollar with this exact look would top out at 65.
yea... a 65 +
OK except for the slash on the eagle.
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
well, good luck
BHNC #203
I bet the scrapes on Liberty's cheek and the field in front of Liberty's face are superficial. While the hit on the Eagle looks serious, I am not sure it would not qualify for 66+. I bet it will look much better in hand than you anticipate. Good luck.
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Nice original lustre and unplayed with in saying so. + because of that pretty toning. The hit on the eagle doesn't bother me. The price was fair for the coin as I can see it, although not in hand. I like the CAC.
Now, dawg is a bit harsh and I don't have it in hand, but again looks like original (no light dip flash) lustre.
Toning is nice.
Here's another deductive way of looking at coins such as this:
How much do you deduct for the breast hit? One point? Half a point?
I have to think a point.
OK, does the rest of the coin look 67+?
I would say no, but that' my humble opinion.
Well, just Love coins, period.
No. Yes.
66+ and CAC...... wow... seems there are a lot of doubters for such lofty credentials....
Cheers, RickO
The fields are very clean on 80 % of the coin so I think a 66 is warranted. Thi hit on eagle because it is or looks deep doesn't make it a plus in my book. Strike is ave minus for a P mint, I think..
You out bid me. I expected it to hit $500.
Seems to be a common attribute to many of Heritage's offerings.
Man that Eagle looks like it was stabbed in the chest!
You might be able to flip it for a quick profit. If all else fails, at least CAC might make you an offer.
It's interesting, with the little crescent and all, and the field BEHIND her head, looks pretty clean, but I would agree about the cheek and the field in front of the face...and the small gash on the eagle's breast.
I have 2 PCGS MS64 green CAC 1896 morgans. One toned on the obv, which hides some of the chatter (which, is either equal or less than this one) and one toned on the reverse. I prefer them both over this one because of the blast white look with the cheek and left obv field issues.
The small gash on the breast doesn't really bother me near as much as the other issues.
I only want to keep one, and haven't decided which to keep (one was originally NGC 64 and one was raw) but they were both less than this one and I just couldn't get over those 2 aforementioned issues
Does it fill a whole for that date/mm in that grade? Or just for the date/mm?
Btw, the auction photo capture is pretty small for the coin pic, but did it show the cheek and field in the same way? From the small pic, it almost looks like it didn't (lighting or touch up applied). If it didn't, that would upset me.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Not a fan.
I have an 84 CC in PC 6 with a sticker which looks better in hand than this image, and I think the TPGs are 1/2 to 3/4 point looser of grading CC Morgans than those from other mints.
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I don't like it as a 66.
65 or 65+ seems more accurate (judging from pictures of course).
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I can see it getting a 66. The luster looks like it's there.