coins that should not exist
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there are coins that should not exist. They are surrealistic.
Like the
MS 67 RB 1794 Half Cent
SP 67 Chain Cent
SP 68 RD Wreath Cent
MS 66 RD 1807/6 Cent
SP 66 1794 Dollar
MS 66+ 1795 eagle
which ones come to your mind ?
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Most of my collection
Any 18th Century coin graded MS-70. Some would argue any 19th Century coin also.
EDIT: Fred Weinberg's whole showcase.
1849-O $20.
You and I were on the same track. I originally posted an 1848 $20 Liberty. Then I read the OP's post and my coin is disqualified.
PS I had to make sure no 1849-O $20 existed as you know more than I for sure!
@ErrorsOnCoins said: "Most of my collection."
Would it be easy for you to post a few of your best?
64-S $5 in 65+
Latin American Collection
All of them.
Most of TDNs collection. The MS68 75p
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
1873-CC MS65 seated dollar
Should have been melted or lost to the bottom of the ocean hundreds of years ago, wait not what you ment
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Any 1913 Nickel. They were never officially minted. Any number of "fake errors" made by curious Mint officials
...now that's one hell of buy list for the weekend buddy!...here is mine...
12-pack Coke Cherry
2.5 LBS lean ground sirloin
large bag of shell-less pistachios
Swisher un-sweet Diamond cigarillos (full box of 2-packs)
$40 in mid-grade unleaded gasoline
...I like yours better
1844-O $5 proof ex: Parmelee. Even Breen couldn't make up a story about its location
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1844-O $10 proof ex: Parmelee in-hand inspection Bob Lecce.
1917 5c proof - in-hand inspection @MrE, etc - previously discussed.
Quite a few Classic Commem matte proofs
1870-S H10c
1870-S $3
1855-S 25c proof
1855-S 50c proof
1855-S $3 proof
1879-O, 1883-O $ proofs per PCGS, Wayne Miller-identified 'CC, O'Donnell-identified '95-O are arguable
I can work with the '94-S dimes in an urban legend sort of way
Some "CC" dime
1921 $20 SP
Mountain $20 SP
Some other Pioneer specimen Dr. Kagin bought maybe 15 years ago at auction.
Parmelee-Clapp 1821 $2 1/2 in MS66+ has moosaliciousness going for it, but is merely more unexpectable than the Garrett 1821 $2 1/2 in PR64.
1927 5c Chromed-die specimens
Geez.....
2004 D High/Low Leaf Wisconsin Statehood Quarters ( Miracle Grow )
2000 Sacagawea Mules ( magically appeared)
1944 Steel Cents ( who has one ? )
1943 Copper cents ( blame maintenance )
1955 Doubled Die (how did Lucky Strike come to distribute them ? Divine Intervention ? )
1856 Flying Eagle (the law that authorized the creation of the small cent was in Feb. 1857 )
Sacagawea "Boldly Detailed Tail Feathered" Dollars (made in 1999... dated 2000 P )
Well....
There are a few that should NOT exist, so let's thank our lucky fifty stars and mischievous mint employees, and , and and another 1933 Gold Double Eagle $20. It should not exist. And that 1964 D Peace Dollar (the authentic ones, whoever has one.... fess up )
These work for me:)
I'd love to know how a copper coin that's over 200 years old is still red?
That's some real safe keeping there in a period where there was no way to keep the elements at bay.
That '64D Peace Dollar(s)... They are very closely held... with good reason. I know for sure that Russ knew where one was....Cheers, RickO
In that state of preservation, no EAC copper should exist.
To me, more of an outlier than the '95 $10 or ......
Although I am entertained by some of the posts above, I am hoping that this thread will 'stay on topic.' It seems that @PrivateRareCoinCollector intended for this thread to be about pre-1820 coins of incredible quality, and thus not about mint errors, undocumented Proofs, or clandestine productions.
@PrivateRareCoinCollector:
Before attempting to add to his list, I wish to draw more attention to his list because I honestly believe that students of classic U.S. coins should learn about his list. It is important for collectors to learn about coins that they cannot afford! Like paintings, historical documents or vintage automobiles, knowledge of coins requires learning about items that not many people can afford!
Indeed, I support such a perspective with innumerable hours of work.
PrivateRareCoinCollector:
The Missouri Half Cent Collection, Part II: Tettenhorst, Superb Gem 1794
PrivateRareCoinCollector:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/986768/great-article-about-early-copper
PrivateRareCoinCollector:
Is the Naftzger-Blay 1807/6 the only Gem Quality & Full Red ‘Early Date’ Large Cent?
PrivateRareCoinCollector:
Incredible Carter-Lustig-Cardinal-Morelan 1794 silver dollar
@PrivateRareCoinCollector:
I have yet to write about this coin, though I did spend time examining it. My roster of 1795 Eagles is still a work-in-progress-. While I am familiar with the Eliasberg piece and the PCGS-65 coin HA auctioned at the 2014 ANA, the pedigrees and current certifications of the others are not so clear. Maybe forum members can tell me much about the listed PCGS-CAC-65 1795 Eagle and the PCGS-64 coin that HA auctioned on 01/12/05?
As for others in this category put forth by PRC, the Hayes-Gardner 1796 dime, the PCGS-68 1796 dime, the Norman Stack 1796 quarter, and the Rogers-Foxfire-Pogue 1797 half come to mind. Perhaps a couple of the half dimes in the Pogue I sale should be included as well. The Eliasberg-Blay-Morelan 1807 quarter is superb, too!
Although I am entertained by some of the posts above, I am hoping that this thread will 'stay on topic.' It seems that @PrivateRareCoinCollector intended for this thread to be about pre-1820 coins of incredible quality, and thus not about mint errors, undocumented Proofs, or clandestine productions.
I am talking about the one coin for the type that is just completely different by a huge margin to everything else that exists. That one coin for the type that stands out, that is surrealistic. The one coin that looks like it is a modern reproduction because we know of nothing else that looks like this.
The Hayes Gardener MS 67 1796 Dime is such a coin. The PCGS 68 1796 Dime is not, its just an overgraded high graded coin in my opinion. But the MS 67 1796 Dime, I would love to own this coin !
The 1793 SP 68 Red Wreath Cent, this coin looks like it was made yesterday.
The 1794 SP 66 Dollar, it stands out to all FH Dollars there are, 1794 or 1795.
The 1795 MS 66+ Eagle, it stands out too.
There us a SP 66 NGC 1796 Half Dollar, ex Konoxville, ex PCGS SP 65, a real specimen. This is the one coin for the type that stands out (and not my 65+ 1797 and also not the 66 1797).
What is amazing is that there seems to be really this one coin for the type only.
The 1807/6 Cent MS 66 RD for the type
the 1794 MS 67 RB half Cent for the type
the 1793 Chain Cent SP 67 (would love to own the coin)
the 1793 Wreath Cent SP 68 RD (would love to own this coin too...)
the 1811 MS 65 RD Cent
the 1796 MS 67 Dime
the 50 Cent 1796 SP 66 NGC
the 1792 Half Disme SP 67
the 1821 MS 66+ quarter eagle
the 1796 quarter Dollar MS 66 PCGS ex Pogue
the 1795 DB Dollar SP 66 ex Pogue (I missed this one, was the underbidder)
the 1799 NGC 67 Dollar ex Newman at heritage
the Specimen 69 20 USD kellogg
the proof 20 USD Assay office
the proof 50 USD humbert Slug
the 1808 quarter eagle PCGS 65
though not for all type coins this one special coin comes into my mind.
What is missing e.g. are the following, please let me know if you know any for these:
Eagle Type of 1799
Half Eagle Type of 1795 and type of 1800, type of 1810 and type of 1815
and many others...
Interestingly, the Hayes 1796 JR-1 Dime was the subject of the first article, in the first issue, of the John Reich Journal. Allen Lovejoy, one of the co-authors of Early United States Dimes, 1796-1837, stated that because JR-1 was first in the die emission order, the coin was proof-like, and had no cud, "it is not unreasonable to speculate that it might well have been one of the first dimes, if not the first dime, struck by the Mint."
would love to own this coin !!
the Byron Reed 1864 quarter eagle. never saw it but i read that it is a MS66 - 67 coin. That sounds unbelievable in term of condition for such a rare coin. Also, i don't think another come anywhere close.
The "coins" that really should not exist are the ones that never did exist, like 1886, 1887 and 1903 Carson City "Dollars" all from the Chinese Mint. These Chinese mules were made for jacks asses to sell to the fish who don't know any better.
Ultra high condition 19th century gold and silver better dates of many denominations for the most part shouldn't exist. But some do.
I consider some MS67 or better examples of seated quarters to be such coins (1840-o no drapery, 1841-o, 1850, 1851, 1854-0, 1855-0, 1864-s, 1865-s, 1867-s, 1868-s, and a few others. There tends to be one coin for each date that blows away all the others by a mile. It's a fluke how such coins survived. John Clapp helped make it happen for some post 1890 gold and silver coins....like the MS68/69 1894-s $5 Liberty. And until the James Stack, Norweb, Eliasberg, Pittman, and other collections came to market...no one would have thought they could exist.
The 1873-cc na dime, 1853-0 na halves, 1870-s half dime, and 1873-cc na quarters probably shouldn't exist at all....but they are here. The 1964-d Peace Dollars shouldn't exist.....and I'd wager at least one probably does.
Speaking as a highly-qualified grading/ultra-rarity savant/snob who's been cherry-picking Stacks auctions in plain sight since '73 or so, I think everyone has a point or three to make.
Do you have a picture of this coin? I would love to see a MS67 1796 dime.
Later, Paul.
here:
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/4461
I agree with your assessment that the MS67 is much nicer than the die crack filled 68. For me the 67 has much better eye appeal.
Later, Paul.
How about all the 18th century type which is obviously AU, but graded 63 or 64?
1953 ms68FB Rosie dime - previously in Nick's Almighty Dimes registry set.
1968D ms65FS Jefferson nickel - currently in Ray Overby's set.
1999 P Pennsylvania quarter ms68+ - stunningly clean surfaces with a PL look to it.
Ok, now go ahead and say how these coins are just pocket change, I'm ready for it