What ever become of the Silver Baron?

Justacommeman

Last I heard he was shot down somewhere over these boards. Forgot how it ended

mark

PerryHall

I enjoyed reading his posts. Hopefully he'll be back.

ricko

Been a while... Perhaps this will bring him out of hiding... Cheers, RickO

derryb

If I recall, he was called a liar about his silver holdings, haven't seen him here since.

LukeMarshall

At last I recall, he had procured his third Engelhard executive set and was quite proud. Silver aside, he was undoubtedly an Engelhard afficiano in its many forms.

BAJJERFAN

@derryb said:
If I recall, he was called a liar about his silver holdings, haven't seen him here since.

Didn't he have like bajillion monster boxes of ASEs?

NVU

I sure missed his posts. If I recall correctly, he may have the 4th Engel 2oz poured silver bar in his collection.

rawteam1

@NVU said:
I sure missed his posts. If I recall correctly, he may have the 4th Engel 2oz poured silver bar in his collection.

Yes he had an awesome world class picture collection...

gsa1fan

The local loon run him off on one of his one of a thousand yearly RANTs! I do recall SB saying it was not worth it and not enjoyable any more to come here argue etc.. Just what I remember may have some facts askew!

derryb

@rawteam1 said:

@NVU said:
I sure missed his posts. If I recall correctly, he may have the 4th Engel 2oz poured silver bar in his collection.

Yes he had an awesome world class picture collection...

silvis envy?

OPA

@derryb said:
If I recall, he was called a liar about his silver holdings, haven't seen him here since.

He either worked, in a coin or pawn shop. All those pictures of dozens of ASE Monster boxes, that he claimed where his private hoard, where actually owned by the shop. As such, whenever he bragged over the years, of accumulating those ASE's for a SHTF event, was nothing but a lie. He was called out on it and eventually admitted his untruthfulness and that was the last we've seen or heard from him.

derryb

I do recall the accusations but don't recall him ever admitting to the accusations.

cohodk

@OPA said:

@derryb said:
If I recall, he was called a liar about his silver holdings, haven't seen him here since.

He either worked, in a coin or pawn shop. All those pictures of dozens of ASE Monster boxes, that he claimed where his private hoard, where actually owned by the shop. As such, whenever he bragged over the years, of accumulating those ASE's for a SHTF event, was nothing but a lie. He was called out on it and eventually admitted his untruthfulness and that was the last we've seen or heard from him.

That's how I remember it.

piecesofme

OPA is spot on. The guy (if it even was a guy) was the biggest liar of silver holdings this century to date. I am astonsihed how many regulars have forgotten of this. It was a really big deal when it happened. It's also funny how the story has gotten twisted to modify the truth.

derryb

Twas a nice hoard, whoever it belonged to.

derryb

@cohodk said:

@OPA said:
He either worked, in a coin or pawn shop. All those pictures of dozens of ASE Monster boxes, that he claimed where his private hoard, where actually owned by the shop. As such, whenever he bragged over the years, of accumulating those ASE's for a SHTF event, was nothing but a lie. He was called out on it and eventually admitted his untruthfulness and that was the last we've seen or heard from him.

That's how I remember it.

You remember him admitting his untruthfulness?

cohodk

@derryb said:

@cohodk said:

@OPA said:
He either worked, in a coin or pawn shop. All those pictures of dozens of ASE Monster boxes, that he claimed where his private hoard, where actually owned by the shop. As such, whenever he bragged over the years, of accumulating those ASE's for a SHTF event, was nothing but a lie. He was called out on it and eventually admitted his untruthfulness and that was the last we've seen or heard from him.

That's how I remember it.

You remember him admitting his untruthfulness?

Yes.

derryb

@cohodk said:

@derryb said:

@cohodk said:

@OPA said:
He either worked, in a coin or pawn shop. All those pictures of dozens of ASE Monster boxes, that he claimed where his private hoard, where actually owned by the shop. As such, whenever he bragged over the years, of accumulating those ASE's for a SHTF event, was nothing but a lie. He was called out on it and eventually admitted his untruthfulness and that was the last we've seen or heard from him.

That's how I remember it.

You remember him admitting his untruthfulness?

Yes.

Thank you, case closed. I'm not good with the search function, maybe someone can find it.

cohodk

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/939350/silverbaron-here

derryb

@cohodk said:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/939350/silverbaron-here

And I posted to that thread. Senility creeping in, thanks for reminding me.

Justacommeman

@derryb said:

@cohodk said:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/939350/silverbaron-here

And I posted to that thread. Senility creeping in, thanks for reminding me.

We must have been on the sleepy train together.

mark

VanHalen

Funny is was thinking about SilverBaron the other day. I believe I was watching a news clip of Trump's son.

Downtown1974

I remember SB. That guy could steal the show on Friday metal porn threads. I don't hold a grudge against such a petty thing. He never stole from anyone here to my knowledge.

goodmoney4badmoney

Since I'm pretty new here to the PM side of the PCGS forums and know nothing about what transpired besides the post linked above, I have a question...
Did he ever take anyone for a trip to the Venetian, his treat?

piecesofme

It's absolutely hilarious how dolomite and myself got picked apart in that thread, but NOW most everyone with any kind of E-hard collector knowledge heralds allengelhard.com as the absolute most credible go-to place for any and all information for anything related to E-hard or JM...and now other Mints. It's funny how people prove to put their own foot in they're mouth 2+ years later and now thank the efforts of AE and all it does.

asheland

I remember all of this going down.

OnlyGoldIsMoney

Perhaps 5-7 years ago SB authored a valuable series of threads here regarding various Engelhard silver and gold products.

At that time his photographs and those at AboutAg were the best I could find when trying to learn more about what Engelhard produced. Those photographs helped me immensely in assembling my Engelhard collection.

I don't know if he owned all or part of what was shown by his photographs. I would like to think those items were his personal collection.

Justacommeman

@piecesofme said:
It's absolutely hilarious how dolomite and myself got picked apart in that thread, but NOW most everyone with any kind of E-hard collector knowledge heralds allengelhard.com as the absolute most credible go-to place for any and all information for anything related to E-hard or JM...and now other Mints. It's funny how people prove to put their own foot in they're mouth 2+ years later and now thank the efforts of AE and all it does.

dolomite is a good dude. Very knowledgeable. He is missed

mark

gsa1fan

@OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
Perhaps 5-7 years ago SB authored a valuable series of threads here regarding various Engelhard silver and gold products.

At that time his photographs and those at AboutAg were the best I could find when trying to learn more about what Engelhard produced. Those photographs helped me immensely in assembling my Engelhard collection.

I don't know if he owned all or part of what was shown by his photographs. I would like to think those items were his personal collection.

I gave him first shot at most all my Ag. b4 listing it. Was always paid for personal check to a home address. One of the few folks with a name I could remember. I miss many of the old crowd indeed

jmski52

derryb, if you're getting senile, then I'm way ahead of you because I've re-read that thread and don't see anywhere that Silver Baron admitted to posting something that he wasn't stacking for himself. Quite the contrary, if I'm reading it correctly.

cohodk, please point out what he said that was untruthful. My reading comprehension skills used to be much better, but apparently I'm screwed.

jmski52

POM, I don't know about you being picked apart but my recollection is that dolomite was making accusations that didn't quite measure up. On the other hand, I don't really care too much about the issue, so maybe I'm wrong.

derryb

@jmski52 said:
derryb, if you're getting senile, then I'm way ahead of you because I've re-read that thread and don't see anywhere that Silver Baron admitted to posting something that he wasn't stacking for himself. Quite the contrary, if I'm reading it correctly.

cohodk, please point out what he said that was untruthful. My reading comprehension skills used to be much better, but apparently I'm screwed.

After re-reading it I agree. Here's what he said in his "apology":

"Next subject ........ I posted item(s) that were not mine or were for resale. WRONGGGGG! I only posted the items I was stacking for myself. Now, can I PROVE that any given monster box or bar was put back as opposed to being for sale? Of course not. A box is a box is a bar is a bar."

cohodk

I do believe he called himself a liar.

I have no dog in this fight....just betters using the search function.

My recollection of the matter matches Opa's.

jmski52

_I do believe he called himself a liar.

I have no dog in this fight....just betters using the search function.

My recollection of the matter matches Opa's.
_

I'm from Missouri. You'll have to show me where.

Justacommeman

I wish he would come back.

m

derryb

@jmski52 said:
_I do believe he called himself a liar.

I have no dog in this fight....just betters using the search function.

My recollection of the matter matches Opa's.
_

I'm from Missouri. You'll have to show me where.

Appears he called himself a liar only because he hid the fact that he owned a business and for what he claimed were security reasons. Can't say that I blame him. While this forum is miles ahead of others, every forum has its share of stalkers. I personally found that out.

jmski52

Sheesh, that's a pretty low bar for defining anyone as a liar, and it seems to me that he was providing a good explanation of his situation.

I'd like to see Deadhorse come back to comment sometime, but I'm sure that he's gone with the wind as well.

We've had some good commentators but I must admit that it's more fun when there's been a hot precious metals market and we get a rash of new experts.

renman95

Wow, that was over two years ago...

piecesofme

Alot of history is being changed and re-written recently, why not here too I suppose?
The way OPA described it is how it was, end of story. Anything beyond that, esp. at this point is purely and entirely speculation and trying to justify someone saying what they were posting pictures of was his. He admitted the items being posted were not his. From the horses mouth, what more does one need?
He might've been a good guy and a good trading partner as some have described so that makes some feel like they still have to defend his actions 2+ years later to justify what he did in their mind, but ultimately and most importantly as he relates to here, he was a liar.

derryb

@piecesofme said:
Alot of history is being changed and re-written recently, why not here too I suppose?
The way OPA described it is how it was, end of story. Anything beyond that, esp. at this point is purely and entirely speculation and trying to justify someone saying what they were posting pictures of was his. He admitted the items being posted were not his. From the horses mouth, what more does one need?
He might've been a good guy and a good trading partner as some have described so that makes some feel like they still have to defend his actions 2+ years later to justify what he did in their mind, but ultimately and most importantly as he relates to here, he was a liar.

The true speculation is calling him a liar when he clearly stated that what he posted was in fact his personal stash. The way it was presented in the linked, actual thread by SB is how it really was. He did not say the items being posted were not his; he clearly said you and others were wrong with the accusation that he was lying. You have called other fellow members a liar, some took the time to prove you a fool while others chose to just ignore the fool. Unless you have some proof and it provides some public service quit calling your fellow forum members a liar, it's very childish and has no place in a respectable forum.

And don't consider this a defense on his actions, consider it an attack on your comments. This forum is a much better place when it is free of unfounded accusations and those that make them.

bronco2078

@piecesofme said:
Alot of history is being changed and re-written recently, why not here too I suppose?
The way OPA described it is how it was, end of story. Anything beyond that, esp. at this point is purely and entirely speculation and trying to justify someone saying what they were posting pictures of was his. He admitted the items being posted were not his. From the horses mouth, what more does one need?
He might've been a good guy and a good trading partner as some have described so that makes some feel like they still have to defend his actions 2+ years later to justify what he did in their mind, but ultimately and most importantly as he relates to here, he was a liar.

this matches what i remember of the thread also

derryb

Read the thread, it's linked above

cohodk

Only Derryb would acquit someone who's says they're guilty. Lol

derryb

@cohodk said:
Only Derryb would acquit someone who's says they're guilty. Lol

He was accused of posting pics of bullion he did not own with some here calling him a liar over it. You also have not read the thread - show me where he pled guilty to the charge. A lynch mob does not make one guilty.

Justacommeman

I still wish he would comeback. He was knowledgeable and I enjoyed his threads.

mark

cohodk

@derryb said:

@cohodk said:
Only Derryb would acquit someone who's says they're guilty. Lol

He was accused of posting pics of bullion he did not own with some here calling him a liar over it. You also have not read the thread - show me where he pled guilty to the charge. A lynch mob does not make one guilty.

This isn't worth dis cussing with you....do your own homework.

derryb

piecesofme

@cohodk said:

@derryb said:

@cohodk said:
Only Derryb would acquit someone who's says they're guilty. Lol

He was accused of posting pics of bullion he did not own with some here calling him a liar over it. You also have not read the thread - show me where he pled guilty to the charge. A lynch mob does not make one guilty.

This isn't worth dis cussing with you....do your own homework.

And he knows ZERO of the behind the scene facts that led to the outing of SB, Not to metion he apparently doesn't know how to interpret someone saying they're sorry for lying. Must work for the ACLU. Lastly, it's a clear derryb troll tactic...defend something so obviously stated to the point of anyone can see who the fool is.
Done here with this, as it was 2+ years ago.

jmski52

The accusers should be willing to bear the burden of proof. OPA! Read your own post. The shop owned those monster boxes, and he owned the shop. Does anyone besides SB know whether or not the boxes in any of those photos weren't the boxes that he was stacking personally? I'm willing to think that maybe some of them were for his clientele, but I still haven't seen the exact post where he admits to lying about anything that he pictured.

Again, the burden of proof lies with the accuser - does it not?

What I do remember is when dolomite (who, incidentally never bothers to post here) dropped in to start a big pissing contest over the provenance of some small silver bars, and that SB stood his ground. That's what I recall, and when I re-read some of those posts (both then and now) I don't see anything different. It's a shame that SB had to decide that posting here just wasn't worth it.

From my little window on the world, most everyone here makes some good contributions. I have always thought, that there's no time....for fussing and fighting, my friend.......so I will ask you once again.....try to see it my way.....time will tell if I am right or wrong, try to see it your way.....there's a chance that we may fall apart before too long........

N'est pas?