We would be idiots to start anything with North Korea. Unfortunately we got just the man for the job. Unless of course you don't care about Seoul going up in smoke. All of it.
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Never mind the previous "idiots" who allowed it to get to this point, or the other "idiot" hell bent on trying to provoke this into happening for whatever reason.....
@Justacommeman said:
We would be idiots to start anything with North Korea. Unfortunately we got just the man for the job. Unless of course you don't care about Seoul going up in smoke. All of it.
mark
We should send Colin Kaepernick in as a peace maker.
@Justacommeman said:
We would be idiots to start anything with North Korea. Unfortunately we got just the man for the job. Unless of course you don't care about Seoul going up in smoke. All of it.
mark
We should send Colin Kaepernick in as a peace maker.
It is unlikely that Kim will be taken down internally... he kills anyone - even family - if the slightest indication of disagreement becomes known. And his system of information gathering - spurred by fear and greed - is throughout the military. We will not move first.... My belief is China may have people in place and will make a move for regime change. Cheers, RickO
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
@derryb said:
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The recurring theory I've heard is the more plausible one: Kim observed what happened in Iraq and Libya to those tyrants who either fell short of or surrendered their nuke capacities. Kim's motivation is to insure regime preservation.
@derryb said:
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The recurring theory I've heard is the more plausible one: Kim observed what happened in Iraq and Libya to those tyrants who either fell short of or surrendered their nuke capacities. Kim's motivation is to insure regime preservation.
@derryb said:
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The recurring theory I've heard is the more plausible one: Kim observed what happened in Iraq and Libya to those tyrants who either fell short of or surrendered their nuke capacities. Kim's motivation is to insure regime preservation.
That is a safe and feel good assumption. Reality is that the nut fed his uncle literally to the dogs.
Address the matter now (Obama was a milquetoast) or face a much greater calamity in the future. Washington is very good at kicking the can down the road so I expect the latter.
@bronco2078 That sounds like a "...but he started it" argument.
@Coinstartled I don't think that assumption is a particularly "feel good" one, since it means (and potentially explains why) Kim has no interests in anything on offer (including demilitarization of the peninsula and a finalization of a peace treaty) in exchange for surrendering his nuclear facilities. Also: even "nuts" have motives.
@dpoole said: @bronco2078 That sounds like a "...but he started it" argument.
@Coinstartled I don't think that assumption is a particularly "feel good" one, since it means (and potentially explains why) Kim has no interests in anything on offer (including demilitarization of the peninsula and a finalization of a peace treaty) in exchange for surrendering his nuclear facilities. Also: even "nuts" have motives.
So you are in the Oval Office, David. What do you do?
@derryb said:
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The recurring theory I've heard is the more plausible one: Kim observed what happened in Iraq and Libya to those tyrants who either fell short of or surrendered their nuke capacities. Kim's motivation is to insure regime preservation.
Yawn. The article is a typical hit piece on America (& The Donald). I understand the angle but the author's fawning of Kim is sad, really. Where's the concern for the victims of Kim's concentration-like camps....?
What the media failed to mention was that, for the last three weeks, Japan, South Korea and the US have been engaged in large-scale joint-military drills on Hokkaido Island and in South Korea.
Far as I know, we've been at war with N. Korea since 1951 or so.
Aside from that detail, they've always been a proxy for Communist China. What's changed, except that the collective memories on this side seem to have forgotten who the ideological enemy is?
N. Korea has always used extortion to get free stuff from the U.S. How is their motive any different now than when Clinton gave them a nuke reactor?
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@dpoole said: @bronco2078 That sounds like a "...but he started it" argument.
@Coinstartled I don't think that assumption is a particularly "feel good" one, since it means (and potentially explains why) Kim has no interests in anything on offer (including demilitarization of the peninsula and a finalization of a peace treaty) in exchange for surrendering his nuclear facilities. Also: even "nuts" have motives.
So you are in the Oval Office, David. What do you do?
I'd get with the Chinese. I'd say I know you want a buffer state, and that you would prefer that you had a puppet there. We'd go with that.
How about you and we find some NK disgruntled general with some potential following, promise him exoneration from post-coup prosecution or other retaliation (and other enticing goodies) in exchange for his overthrowing Kim? We'd go along with the puppet of China's choice in exchange for an inspected and absolute de-nuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We'd pull out anti-missile batteries and agree to multi-lateral (including So. Korea) talks to end the Korean War.
@derryb said:
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
Plan: get the whole world's navies together and park them off the NK coasts (completely surrounded.)
Give Kim and all his cronies 24 hours to surrender, if not, bombs away (has to be fast and efficient to keep south Korea safe.)
No leader should trust the US , we have wrecked all these other countries we intervene in . We say Saddam you can't kill your own people thats bad , then we go in and kill even more of them and leave the place a smoking ruin . Libya got the same deal , and Syria is 90% ruined , and given the chance we will destroy North Korea too.
This constant warfare and these interventions don't benefit American citizens or the country as a whole it just lines the pockets of special interests and the politicians they own.
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@dpoole said: @bronco2078 That sounds like a "...but he started it" argument.
@Coinstartled I don't think that assumption is a particularly "feel good" one, since it means (and potentially explains why) Kim has no interests in anything on offer (including demilitarization of the peninsula and a finalization of a peace treaty) in exchange for surrendering his nuclear facilities. Also: even "nuts" have motives.
So you are in the Oval Office, David. What do you do?
I'd get with the Chinese. I'd say I know you want a buffer state, and that you would prefer that you had a puppet there. We'd go with that.
How about you and we find some NK disgruntled general with some potential following, promise him exoneration from post-coup prosecution or other retaliation (and other enticing goodies) in exchange for his overthrowing Kim? We'd go along with the puppet of China's choice in exchange for an inspected and absolute de-nuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We'd pull out anti-missile batteries and agree to multi-lateral (including So. Korea) talks to end the Korean War.
Not a bad response, Dpoole. Not bad at all. If the proposed puppet regime is too transparently a puppet regime, South Korea and Japan may have something to say about it. At the moment the Chinese do not have anywhere near the amount of influence many think they do. If the PRC simply steps in, there will be trouble with the ROK and that relationship is economically important to the PRC. Plus, there is some concern in the region of Chinese expansionism. Too brash a move in the DPRK would be taken as a realization of those fears.
I agree a problem with the puppet state idea is that the So. Koreans may well (and justifiably) feel betrayed by our implicit abandonment of their aspirations to reunite the peninsula.
Of course, with our pulling out, So. Korea would be in a long-term position to achieve reunification in exchange for a "Findlandization" of a united Korea, via a vis China. That I expect would happen anyway over time, given China's growing gravitational pull and regional power.
That's what I really think we are dealing with here. Executes individuals by feeding them to hungry dogs, firing squad using an anti-aircraft cannon (for 'crimes' such as falling asleep in meetings), using flamethrowers, poison, etc. Also quite willing to starve his people rather than give up developing his 'toys' so he can potentially cause more havoc. There does seem to be something not quite right with this individual besides just wanting to keep power.
I see no good outcome to the situation. Best scenario is some general takes huge risk and tries to take over.
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2 of them CNN and MSNBC although only 7 people watch the second one
I like the new news channel, "One America News," channel 347 of DirecTV.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Looks like the reputation made it self-evident
We would be idiots to start anything with North Korea. Unfortunately we got just the man for the job. Unless of course you don't care about Seoul going up in smoke. All of it.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Never mind the previous "idiots" who allowed it to get to this point, or the other "idiot" hell bent on trying to provoke this into happening for whatever reason.....
Crazy-man saber rattled is WAY worse than regular saber rattling.
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We should send Colin Kaepernick in as a peace maker.
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It is unlikely that Kim will be taken down internally... he kills anyone - even family - if the slightest indication of disagreement becomes known. And his system of information gathering - spurred by fear and greed - is throughout the military. We will not move first.... My belief is China may have people in place and will make a move for regime change. Cheers, RickO
China should gift him with a 400 foot luxury ship as a reward for his family's decades of quality governance.
You can figure out the rest.
the key to resolution is a good understanding of exactly what this guy wants. I have yet to see that revealed in any news reports other than he is just nuts.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
The recurring theory I've heard is the more plausible one: Kim observed what happened in Iraq and Libya to those tyrants who either fell short of or surrendered their nuke capacities. Kim's motivation is to insure regime preservation.
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That is a safe and feel good assumption. Reality is that the nut fed his uncle literally to the dogs.
Address the matter now (Obama was a milquetoast) or face a much greater calamity in the future. Washington is very good at kicking the can down the road so I expect the latter.
@bronco2078 That sounds like a "...but he started it" argument.
@Coinstartled I don't think that assumption is a particularly "feel good" one, since it means (and potentially explains why) Kim has no interests in anything on offer (including demilitarization of the peninsula and a finalization of a peace treaty) in exchange for surrendering his nuclear facilities. Also: even "nuts" have motives.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
So you are in the Oval Office, David. What do you do?
Yawn. The article is a typical hit piece on America (& The Donald). I understand the angle but the author's fawning of Kim is sad, really. Where's the concern for the victims of Kim's concentration-like camps....?
What the media failed to mention was that, for the last three weeks, Japan, South Korea and the US have been engaged in large-scale joint-military drills on Hokkaido Island and in South Korea.
False, I've heard it several times.
Far as I know, we've been at war with N. Korea since 1951 or so.
Aside from that detail, they've always been a proxy for Communist China. What's changed, except that the collective memories on this side seem to have forgotten who the ideological enemy is?
N. Korea has always used extortion to get free stuff from the U.S. How is their motive any different now than when Clinton gave them a nuke reactor?
I knew it would happen.
Kim's a stacker. Rodman's been bringing him AGE monster boxes. He's just trying to increase his return.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I'd get with the Chinese. I'd say I know you want a buffer state, and that you would prefer that you had a puppet there. We'd go with that.
How about you and we find some NK disgruntled general with some potential following, promise him exoneration from post-coup prosecution or other retaliation (and other enticing goodies) in exchange for his overthrowing Kim? We'd go along with the puppet of China's choice in exchange for an inspected and absolute de-nuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We'd pull out anti-missile batteries and agree to multi-lateral (including So. Korea) talks to end the Korean War.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
Quite a gambit Poole but the idea has some merit.
Chinese cooperation to any US plan has been difficult. Trump would have to let them believe that it was their idea.
That's because he is just nuts.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Anyone who doesn't agree with you appears to be nuts.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Yeah..probably, or rightly.
lol
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
You can't reason with the insane.
Plan: get the whole world's navies together and park them off the NK coasts (completely surrounded.)
Give Kim and all his cronies 24 hours to surrender, if not, bombs away (has to be fast and efficient to keep south Korea safe.)
MA makes a good case
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Run a false flag and get it over with.
Agree.
Let's just run a false flag and get it over with.
No leader should trust the US , we have wrecked all these other countries we intervene in . We say Saddam you can't kill your own people thats bad , then we go in and kill even more of them and leave the place a smoking ruin . Libya got the same deal , and Syria is 90% ruined , and given the chance we will destroy North Korea too.
This constant warfare and these interventions don't benefit American citizens or the country as a whole it just lines the pockets of special interests and the politicians they own.
NK should just have remained quietly in the background. There are no known plans to run a gas or oil pipeline through there. This is Kim's mistake.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I wish Kim had a Twitter account
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I wouldn't want to be working for him and accidentally get on his bad side. It could be as bad as working for Hillary.
I knew it would happen.
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Not a bad response, Dpoole. Not bad at all. If the proposed puppet regime is too transparently a puppet regime, South Korea and Japan may have something to say about it. At the moment the Chinese do not have anywhere near the amount of influence many think they do. If the PRC simply steps in, there will be trouble with the ROK and that relationship is economically important to the PRC. Plus, there is some concern in the region of Chinese expansionism. Too brash a move in the DPRK would be taken as a realization of those fears.
Another war movie, with a twist. These clowns love making history. I don't really care who is on what side. War & Peace is big business.
I agree a problem with the puppet state idea is that the So. Koreans may well (and justifiably) feel betrayed by our implicit abandonment of their aspirations to reunite the peninsula.
Of course, with our pulling out, So. Korea would be in a long-term position to achieve reunification in exchange for a "Findlandization" of a united Korea, via a vis China. That I expect would happen anyway over time, given China's growing gravitational pull and regional power.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
"You can't reason with the insane."
That's what I really think we are dealing with here. Executes individuals by feeding them to hungry dogs, firing squad using an anti-aircraft cannon (for 'crimes' such as falling asleep in meetings), using flamethrowers, poison, etc. Also quite willing to starve his people rather than give up developing his 'toys' so he can potentially cause more havoc. There does seem to be something not quite right with this individual besides just wanting to keep power.
I see no good outcome to the situation. Best scenario is some general takes huge risk and tries to take over.
"You can't reason with the insane."
third US aircraft carrier en route. Somethings coming.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
F35's are now in Japan
I think Godzilla has been sighted.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
I am embarrassed to admit I know Dennis Rodman as an investor. SMH, he used to actually be normal.
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Oh, it's on, on like Donkey Kong!
I'd like to sell some gold n silver@ new highs!
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HAHA just read all the comments, Made me think of, HI IM MEGAN KELLY and here's a bunch of nothing I will try to make sound like something with my voice.
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I was a Worm fan when he was in Detroit. Seemed halfway sane. I think the hair dye did him in.
I can see her executing someone with an antiaircraft gun.> @OPA said:
That will scare him
They don't even bother to air up the tires on them everyone knows they can't fly.
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This threatens the price of all things paper, and could easily drive the price of all things real, starting with oil.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I'm not worried.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
of course not
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong