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Untoned Stripe Toners

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 16, 2019 11:34PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here are a few from a single collection I just ran across. Any idea what would cause the untoned stripe? A thick rubber band?

The collection was slabbed at the same time and look like they range from 84032002 to 84032012.

Here's another that has a similar but different look:

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tape/Ribbon/Strap/Band ...something that was used to hold them in place in a holder, possibly for display. It could be that they were even in the same style holder together, especially because of the similar color toning and untoned section.

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First 3 were almost certainly a tab holder.
    I don't have a picture, but there were pics posted years ago (8-12 years ago or so, most likely).

    Question, and pics like you posted, came up a few times back then.

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  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2017 4:42AM

    Here are two that I used to own. I got them at an antique mall. The woman selling them told me that her grandfather had given her for her 21st birthday a plaque that was covered with velvet and he had 21 Morgans taped to the velvet spelling out the number "21". I grabbed a few of the nicer ones. Most had gone to a terminal black tone. I have experiences that velvet will cause some crazy and somewhat quick toning. The untoned portions of the coin are where the tape was used on the coin. It basically prevents the contaminants in the velvet thus cause portions of the coin not to tone.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tab holders or tape will product that pattern on coins. As mentioned, they likely were all kept in the same storage method due to similar tarnish. Cheers, RickO

  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭

    masking tape is my guess

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tab holders will give a similar effect, but to have such sharp and uniform lines makes me think these were not in such holders. Also, I just don't like that color blue on such a range of coins with these lines. Apparently, PCGS thinks they are A-OK, but that doesn't mean I would buy them or accept them.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Tab holders will give a similar effect, but to have such sharp and uniform lines makes me think these were not in such holders. Also, I just don't like that color blue on such a range of coins with these lines. Apparently, PCGS thinks they are A-OK, but that doesn't mean I would buy them or accept them.

    Actually, PCGS graded all 11 coins 91 Questionable Color.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    let my opinion go in one ear and ...

    I agree w/PCGS on these. The "doctors" came up with the O'l "Tape across coin" look. I don't wish to help them perfect the alteration so I'll just say "removed tape toning" does not look like this.

    BTW, rubber band toning of any reasonable amount of time to react, etches the surface.

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And this one is an actual scotch tape toner...


    The more you VAM..
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2017 9:04AM

    Nice example. Looks like the GLUE RESIDUE left inside the coin's recesses helps to confirm the originality!

    EDIT:

    PS I'd like a closer look at the NGC dollars just posted also...

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @TomB said:
    Tab holders will give a similar effect, but to have such sharp and uniform lines makes me think these were not in such holders. Also, I just don't like that color blue on such a range of coins with these lines. Apparently, PCGS thinks they are A-OK, but that doesn't mean I would buy them or accept them.

    Actually, PCGS graded all 11 coins 91 Questionable Color.

    I feel better about PCGS now that I know they were kicked out as QC91.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Old Thread Update

    Just ran across the following PCGS MS64:

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 11:09AM

    Bump

    Just ran across this one :)

    This is PCGS MS64:

    https://www.pcgs.com/cert/38108388

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom

  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Bump

    Just ran across this one :)

    These are starting to look like Easter eggs!

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    These are starting to look like Easter eggs!

    Reminds me of a Van Halen album

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is cool (not my coin):



    peacockcoins

  • ButteredfatkidButteredfatkid Posts: 173 ✭✭✭

    If anyone is selling tape/tab toners, I’m always a buyer for them. Currently working on a couple collections of that type of toning. Feel free to DM me if you want to discuss or have any available

    https://youtube.com/channel/UC6XjGFyoSVFc8X4VhwuOY3A

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tape.

    Dave

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Butteredfatkid said:
    If anyone is selling tape/tab toners, I’m always a buyer for them. Currently working on a couple collections of that type of toning. Feel free to DM me if you want to discuss or have any available

    Ok, one batch of tape toners coming up! What colors do you prefer? 😜

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think this one is NT and on a date you normally don't see these tab/tape toners.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2022 7:51AM

    Looks like a lot of these may come from First Coinvestors albums which @Lakeshore1 posted in this thread. Given that these are albums, it seems correct to say these are NT:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1070224/untoned-stripe-toners-on-morgans-one-source#latest

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  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still have a First Coinvestors First Year Morgan album I bot a while back on EBAY. Had the 7TF Rev 78, CC, and S mint coins. Have the CC and S in my Dansco. The CC has a slight tab tone and luckily for me the best of the bunch. The S was pretty beat up but a nice Vam17a. The 7TF was probably a 62.


  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2022 7:29AM

    @Zoins said:
    Just ran across the following PCGS MS64:

    Just ran across this coin again. It's a pretty striking coin so I'm not surprised it stopped me in my tracks a second time around!

    This looks like it may be one of cstergion's coins now, an avid collector of JFK Halves!

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/cstergion/profile/43679

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  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How's this one? It's a little different :)

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My mother sent a friend and I to pick up an antique night stand in the mid 60's. We got it home and couldn't get the drawer open. Well, after several techniques that failed, I pried the drawer open and it had some junk in it, including a Peace dollar with a red ribbon lying across it and it was toned similar to the OP's. Don't remember the date, but Mom wouldn't let me have it, said it was her profit on the table purchase. Have no idea what she ever did with it. But a lot of coins were toned in wooden containers and I imagine many had items lying across them, suchas ribbons, envelopes, magazines, small boxes and the like.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2023 10:08PM

    Here's one I just ran across:



    Slab photos courtesy of Monster Toned Coins (monster_coinz)

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2024 2:14PM


    Slab photo courtesy of Mint State Coins.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭



    Slab photos courtesy of Matt Flacker.

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  • Rob41281Rob41281 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

  • jt88jt88 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I see RickO's post I know this thread is old thread.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WilliamF said:
    How's this one? It's a little different :)

    Very cool to see this effect on copper!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jt88 said:
    When I see RickO's post I know this thread is old thread.

    It is good to see his posts. It's amazing how old this thread is now!

    That being said, I know a thread is old when I see PhotoBucket.

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  • jt88jt88 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of the coins are very nice, like that 1985-o looks nice.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @Zoins said:
    Bump

    Just ran across this one :)

    These are starting to look like Easter eggs!

    I have about 20 of those!! :)

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