Overdates

JRocco

I know I have posted about overdates in the past, but as a self admitted variety weenie I really
love overdates when it comes to varieties. What a window into our mint's history.
Please post any of your overdates that you may have. I really want to see them.
I love the CBH series and it sure has it's share of overdates, but that isn't the only series ripe with overdates.
I'll start with one of my favorites, the very obvious in your face 1817/3 CBH

Hydrant

Great example, JRocco. Thanks.

DIMEMAN

I also am a variety "weenie". I have been doing a lot of post on this in the past months. I only do Dimes because of the lack of $$$. The Bust Halves have always been very attractive to me.....if only I had deeper pockets.

BruceS

Now that's an OD that you can actually see, unlike a lot of them that you need a loop and have to squint to be able to make them out. Very nice example.

howards

I've posted it before, but here again is my favorite shield nickel overdate:

JRocco

A lot of series do not have many overdates. Take the Lincoln series, there are no known Lincoln overdates.
As for Dimes....in my wildest dreams could I amass the dime collection DIMEMAN has, but many of the dime series are also low in or void of overdate varieties.
How is this one for an obvious overdate. Talk about missing the obvious.

10000lakes

There are a few overdates in the Morgan dollar series, mainly in the years 1880 and 1887.

1880/79-S MS65 DMPL

WDP

1802/1 Dollar, with prominent 1 under 2 in the date.

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Photo courtesy of PCGS, Warren Miller, and W. David Perkins.

lkeigwin

The 1815/2, of course. I couldn't resist. Now in a PCGS AU58+ holder.
Lance.

WDP

A favorite of mine, an exceptional 1806/5 Draped Bust Quarter in PCGS AU58 CAC, ex. Rory Rea Collection.

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Photo courtesy of W. David Perkins.

oih82w8

1807/6 1C Large 7

lkeigwin

1823/2, N1.
Lance.

illini420

TomB

My favorite overdate is also the 1817/3 CBH; talk about being in your face! Here is one with chunks of gunk still adhered to the surfaces-

Treashunt

Mine

Treashunt

1808/7
O-101

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg145/Treashunt/1808ov7O-101.jpg

close up of date & die crack

JRocco

Awesome examples guys. Overdates are awesome.
Here is my avatar coin
1795/1795 3 leaf FHD

ldhair

skier07

The above overdates are terrific. I've never been much of an overdate person because half the time even with a loupe I don't see it.

ricko

Some very impressive overdates.....Easily seen without magnification. I have an O/CC Morgan.. but no overdates....Cheers, RickO

Treashunt

1808/7

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg145/Treashunt/1808ov7O-101.jpg

illini420

Here's another that I like:

BillJones

Here is an example of the first overdate coin in the United States series, the 1796 over 5 half dime. Please excuse the condition of my example. It is one of the worst examples graded at a VG-7. I have NEVER had good luck when it came to buying 1796 half dimes. I have ALWAYS bought the wrong coin no matter how hard I try ...

At any rate this piece indicates that Robert Scot was planning on introducing the Draped Bust design to the half dime in 1795, but the mint did not get around to striking them. In 1796 he punched a "6" over the "5." This is not a spetacular overdate, and it can be easily confused with with the normal coin which has a recut "6." If anyone wants me to get into the nuts of bolts of telling the difference by the reverse, we can discuss it.

Overdate close-up

Normal date close-up

Back in the 1950s this was thought to be a major rarity with only eight examples or so known. Since then collectors have looked at their coins, and the number is now up to 40 to 50 pieces.

drddm

Here are a couple of 1820/19 CBH overdates....with a Square 2 and a Curl 2

Dave #226

JRocco

Beautiful example drddm
Here is the curl 2 in close-up

And as a note, my 1795/1795 is really a re-punched date not an overdate.

johnny9434

awesome over dates all

mannie gray

@johnny9434 said:
awesome over dates all

I agree!

TPRC

Just received from our hosts...1824/4

DIMEMAN

I have a bunch, but here is one pretty easy to see. 1906 Barber Dime.

drddm

Here's another CBH ovdrdate, the 1824/1

Dave #226

Treashunt

1823 Ten Cents
1823/2

Treashunt

1806/5
25 cents:

yeah, I know, low grade, but.. cherried

Scratches are nearly invisible in person.

golden

I love all of these! Thanks guys.

CommemKing

howards

Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date.

Raybo

@howards said:
I've posted it before, but here again is my favorite shield nickel overdate:

What the.....?

DIMEMAN

@howards said:
Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date.

Sorry I realized my mistake after I had already posted.

CommemKing

"Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date."

Sorry to offend you. I didn't think about it.

JRocco

Beautiful examples all !
Here is the 1824/Various CBH

drddm

Beautiful 1824/Various Dates JRocco

Here is the first overdate in the CBH series...1808/7

Dave #226

lkeigwin

@howards said:
Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date.

An important distinction. I would add that an overdate is defined more narrowly by a die from an earlier year that is reused, not just from a blunder.

Take the capped bust half 1824/4 as an example. It is not truly an overdate as it is really a RPD (or more accurately, re-engraved...the numeral 4 was usually hand sculpted). It is, however, a Redbook and registry variety so it is treated kinda special.

With the 1836/1336 a 3 was mistakenly punched in the date instead of an 8. Strictly speaking this isn't an overdate either. No early die from another year was used.

Then there's the 1819/8 large 9 O.105. Although still considered an overdate by Overton, the major TPG's and the Redbook, this die marriage has been proven to not be. Research determined, based on the emission sequence, the fact that the 1 is not flat topped like the other overdates, and microscopic examination showing no evidence of an underlying 8, that the probable cause was a graving slip.

Whatever. I love them all.
Lance.

howards

@CommemKing said:
"Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date."

Sorry to offend you. I didn't think about it.

Not offended at all. Just trying to increase numismatic accuracy.

JRocco

1829/1827 CBH

lkeigwin

The 1824/2/0, otherwise known as "over various," is the most bizarre overdate in the CBH series. The WD was overstruck multiple times and maintenance to remove traces of the wrong numerals seems to have been slipshod.

But whatever the cause and whatever the numerals, one thing is certain: the obverse strike is poor due to the shallow design and excessive lapping. Stars are always large and flat. High points on the obverse wore very quickly. Grading, therefore, can be a little tricky as there is almost always a full grade difference in appearance, front and back.
Lance.

howards

@lkeigwin said:

@howards said:
Repunched dates are not the same as overdates! Overdates mean there are are at least two different dates punched into the coin. Repunched dates are two copies of the same date.

An important distinction. I would add that an overdate is defined more narrowly by a die from an earlier year that is reused, not just from a blunder.

That's an excellent addition to the discussion, sir. It did not occur to me because the couple blunders I'm aware of in shield nickels happen to be the same date (logotype from the wrong series was punched first and then replaced).

USMarine6

Here's one that somewhat common but not seen that often