BANNED MEMBERS, a gift that keeps on giving.
Insider2
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Last Friday was a great day at the office. Anyone ever go back to look at old threads to pull up "disagreements" in order to see the "BANNED" sign @ a former member?
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I have not... but I did accept some best offers on coins that just don't go at my buy now prices. Soft market maybe ?
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Why thump the beehive?
Based upon the silliness of this post and many of the OPs past posts I can easily see him being rewarded with the coveted "Banned" sign soon.
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I was stung 1.7K times. Probably deserved less than fifty.
It got me thinking. I posted this question because I learned that a former member here who really knows his stuff and is an extremely valuable contributor on another form got banned some years ago. I told him he should write to PCGS and ask to be reinstated. Then he told me the things he said over here about our host and I told him to forget it. He would never be forgiven.
I've also read threads asking where is such and such and why is he not posting. When I got a three week "vacation" from a website someone started a thread about my whereabouts. It felt good to be missed.
@JJSingleton
I appreciate you post and a warning from another. Formerly (in another forum) , I posted photos of numismatic items that were either fake, genuine, or showed a common minting characteristic (lamination, tool mark, etc) and I asked members questions about what they saw in an effort to teach them things I learned about grading and authentication. I got jumped on for posting GTG's of deceptive counterfeit coins. The guys squealed and wrote that I was just trying to embarrass them. One mod explained I was using the Socratic method to no avail. Bottom line, I stopped.
I think if you were to check the postings for the last few days from all the members, you may think of my "silly" posts in a different light.
I thought we are supposed to be a "family" here. I'm still in the learning stage. I expressed my enjoyment in one discussion (bee stings) and tried to inject some humor about auction houses (that cracked me up) in another. Yes, I agree they are silly. I should much prefer to discuss serious numismatic subjects like "LAURA is back."
Fortunately, that thread turned into some interesting posts about the coin market!
Up until that last part, I thought you were talking about Mark Feld. Can't think of any others that were extremely valuable contributors here that got banned...not even the ones who decided to make an alt in order to come back
Mark is still missed.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I was posting about Conder. Mark is posting somewhere and using his own name. God, if he can get banned from somewhere...
I was familiar with him from another forum many years ago (15?). He was a great fountain of knowledge. I missed whatever occurred to get him a one-way ticket off of this forum, but from your assessment of his transgressions it seems like he worked hard to earn his departure.
I liked Conder. He got banned when it was a hot climate and he, I believe, made a statement along the lines of "If they're going to ban someone for writing the truth then they should just ban me now". He was then banned. It wasn't the right time/thread for that and people had been warned, at that point, to really watch what was said.
Mark was banned, brought back, and then banned again when he spoke out IN DEFENSE OF HRH and it was taken the complete opposite and he got banned.
That was terrible.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I wish they could be brought back and perhaps watched. We don't know the entire reasons but if someone says slabs are worthless - it is just and opinion. Even if a V.I.P. posts it.
In the 1980s when the slab craze (opps!)...when the big TPGS's "bloomed" and took over the market, two well- known long-time PNG dealers told me they would NEVER sell one. You should see their cases now...LOL.
Yes, but intelligent people should still be smart enough not to "poke the bear". Sometimes, people say things like that, because it makes them look cool and tough if they say it "to the man". It's often best to bite one's tongue and let the rough waters fade.
There were more than just Conder101 posting that type of statement back then...and getting banned.
I liken it to be akin to eating your hamburger at the zoo. You decide to go into the lion's cage a few minutes before feeding time, because you can, and then, you decide to keep eating your hamburger because YOU want to.
Not the brightest decision in the world.
Stay out of the cage, or at least wait until the lion was fed and no longer hungry.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
My opinion is if they came back they could. Roger is back and I'm completely speculating but I doubt he asked for forgiveness. I kind of admire that Feld and Conder haven't came back with alts. It always annoyed me that Roger used the NGC boards to reply to threads started here and that he started threads over there with "hey tell so and so over ATS this or that" seemed so desperate to be involved here. actually thinking about it now, maybe he did beg to be reinstated.
Pretty sure most that have come back have done it on their own, as alts. He is one of them I am sure (since he is back on the boards, he can correct that if it is an incorrect statement).
Mark stated he wouldn't create an alt. He wanted to be here, but, as anyone who knows Mark would know, Mark is a boyscout and plays by the rules. Made me respect him all the more, when I was buying from him....before his current gig.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
If I recall correctly, and Bochiman likely can correct me if I am mistaken, Conder101 wrote a statement along the lines of "If they're going to ban someone for writing the truth then they should just ban me now". He was then banned.
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...wait a second...this all happened before my time, but are you guys saying that the guy who wrote the OG "TPG Slab History" book said here on CU that TPG slabs are worthless? Doesn't add up, but it's not math so what the hell do I know
I enjoy both MF, and Condors post ATS, but sense the roll out of the new software, it takes foreva to load a page over there. So I don't visit as often as I used to.
I thought with the new SW launch here, the previously exiled were welcomed back. Maybe not?
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Yeah...I think your memory is better than mine on that one...I recall the thing about TPGS, but I think you are right about Condor101 and the reason.
I still equate it to eating a hamburger in front of a hungry lion in its own den
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
What form is ATS please? Link? Name?
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Thanks, that's where I saw Mark. Conder was on CT when I got his reply to my PM. That's where they post. I'm a member at NGC but it is DEAD most of the time. CU is the best of the four I joined.
Can you hear that sucking sound...LOL.
Same here. I think PCGS did a much better job with their forum upgrade. I'm not sure I can call the other one an "upgrade".
Yep. I try to go there a little for the coin forums but largely for the comics forums.....sadly, their new rollout is something that I just haven't gotten in tune with and I seldom go there. I think it's been a few weeks now since the last time.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Mark told me he had a meltdown with HRH. It was ugly. Unforgivable words were exchanged.
I'd love to have Feld back. There ought to be amnesty for faculty like his.
Lance.
Mark is very passionate as are a number of people who were banned. Others have come back, so hopefully Mark can come back too if he wants.
I think it would take a sit down with Hall and Feld and that doesn't seem to be likely anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong. Sometimes it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
RWB
Conder101
RWB is back. Conder101 is not. Would be nice to have Mark and Conder back again.
I would love to see Mark back here... he is a font of knowledge and a great guy. I miss Conder as well... Contributors of this level is what makes this forum so valuable. I can understand banning for egregious behavior, but simple disagreements over form, function or policy - when conducted civilly - should not result in termination. Cheers, RickO
It's been a long time but Conder101 has said he would not come back. I believe Mark said he would only come back as himself and not as an alt. Things were really heated around here when all this went down. Several members were really ticked and got banned on purpose.
It was often referred to as 'The Great Purge' or 'Self Banning by Moderation Days'
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@dbtunr
You have disagreed twice to posts above that seem to be reasonable to me. Care to post what you disagree with? I was not around when all this happened. Were you involved? Did you have disagreements with the two members above that were banned?
To be candid, I'm sure Heritage keeps Mark so busy, that I don't know whether he'd have much time to spend here right now.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
I respect the members . . .and ex-members above. I also know that in the upper reaches of our hobby, things happen that are far above what I would understand. It is unfortunate . . . . because some superb knowledge is sacrificed.
But, this is a venue that we owe to our hosts. I appreciate the opportunity to come here and observe . . . with a very occasional post.
Drunner
I did not like Feld. He was argumentative with everyone and everything. He came off as a know it all on every subject. The forum is better without him.
Mark did pretty much know it all. Those that listened usually learned something.
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I just noticed the few members that left insider all his disagrees are now banned. Shew! Now I can freely admit how ridiculous I thought that was, without fear of being the next target, lol.
too bad the "disagrees" did not disappear along with them.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Not that he wasn't a smart guy. It was the way he went about disagreeing. It was very argumentative and demeaning. I had nothing personally against him. I can't even remember if we ever argued, but knowing me, we probably did. It just seemed he argued with everyone on everything. I really can't remember very many people who have been banned except him, bongo bongo, and maybe one or two other guys.
I'll put it to you this way, Feld is/was the polar opposite of bear, who everyone liked. If you wanted to feel good, you read a post by bear. If you wanted to get worked up, you looked for a post from Feld.
someone asked why I hit disagree and I just explained. I don't think it's right to talk about someone who can't respond so I'll end it there.
[abusive remarks removed]
As for Mark, I never found him anything BUT helpful. He DID know a lot when it came to coins and TPGSs. He worked for one. He was a dealer. He had been in the business quite awhile.
He was honest to a fault.... [abusive remarks removed]
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
@dbtunr said: "I did not like Feld. He was argumentative with everyone and everything. He came off as a know it all on every subject. The forum is better without him."
THANKS for the honest reply! I looked up your profile. You have a long way to go to get as many disagreements as I have. I judge everyone by what they post so you will remain an "unknown" and respected member to me until I start to disagree with what you post.
That said, since joining four different numismatic forms, I've observed that posters such as Mark Feld get a lot of "hate/jealousy" from folks who have very little comparable experience. As I said above, I'm not including you in this comment yet.
In my experience, judging from my limited personal contact and more from what he posts, Mark knows a lot about coins. He would not have the professional credentials he has if that were not so. If some folks consider him abrasive, argumentative, and a "know-it-all," I should wear that as a badge of honor among those who are not my peers. I hope to fit that description one day.
@jwitten said: "I just noticed the few members that left insider all his disagrees are now banned. Shew! Now I can freely admit how ridiculous I thought that was, without fear of being the next target, lol. Too bad the "disagrees" did not disappear along with them."
Please don't take my 1.7K disagrees! One of the trolls has joined another forum I'm on and started his nonsense.
Rule 1) This is not a public forum. This is a PCGS forum paid for by PCGS and provided for PCGS customers to exchange information regarding collecting US coins. We make the rules this is not a democracy.
It was the way he went about disagreeing. It was very argumentative and demeaning.
Check out some of my early posts on CT. I didn't suffer members that I considered to be fools very well. You would think I was Mr. Feld's evil brother. Suggestions from the chief moderator over there has helped me be a lot more civil in my posts. It can be hard sometime when everyone in a thread (including me) has the obvious correct opinion for the OP (Example: the sky is blue...LOL) and some fool chimes in with nonsense - no, it's yellow and you (me) don't know what you are talking about!
Which other forum?
I was here all during the early Feld years 10-15 yrs ago. I don't remember him being a "bad influence" around here nor routinely argumentative as some of the recent crop of "disagree-ers" that "follow" Insider2 and others around. Insider2 shouldn't worry though. There's still 1-2 of them left to help push his disagree count up to 2.0K. How does someone who was around when Feld was here know how they posted? Did they go back and read all his old threads?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/1494171#Comment_1494171....a "blast" from 2003....on "fire."
My take on Mark Feld, both from personal experience with him and on the forum, is that he is very knowledgeable, and very passionate, very outspoken, but not very diplomatic. I suspect he would agree with this description.
@roadrunner said: "Insider2 shouldn't worry though. There's still 1-2 of them left to help push his disagree count up to 2.0K.
I think I deserved the ones I got from other posters. "Props" to those who took the time to explain what they disagreed with.
The last one of my two minions to be banned here changed his name and joined CT. He started the same nonsense and abuse over there and got a great big SMACK DOWN today from a moderator...LOL.
Internet grudges.....
I don't see the point! It's plenty easy to avoid someone who just happens to rub you the wrong way.
Flaminio should be reinstated.
@TommyType said: "Internet grudges.....I don't see the point! It's plenty easy to avoid someone who just happens to rub you the wrong way.
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This is the point. I cannot control what another member does and can only affect how they feel. Ever try to avoid a stalker or two?
There are many numismatists on the forums who are sure of themselves. As an "Expert Collector" with 4 stars, you may be one of them. I find that very often, the folks who are sure of themselves (in an abrasive way) attract the very people who do hold grudges and become unhinged.
I can be very abrasive. However, I don't have a grudge with anyone on any forum I post on. I think we are all here to learn, educate, talk coins, and pass time. If someone comments on a post of mine (good/bad - helpful/or not) I try to reply with my opinion. Sometimes, er...many times I can be abrasive if the poster has an attitude but I don't hold a grudge. Over time, I've turned many of my detractors into Internet friends.